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Hopefully it won't go to streaming too soon so the momentum and box office can build like it has been.

Not sure where to put this as couldn't find thread but Robbie has re-charted on the UK and Ireland album's chart: In and Out of Consciousness - Greatest Hits 1990-2010: UK: #54. Ireland: #90.

I agree about Take That in Las Vegas, I think their mixture of songs would be perfect for that setting. Never Forget peaked at #7 on the Billboard Lyric Find U.S chart in May 2023 after their perfomance at the coronation, and #4 on the Lyric Find Global chart. Curiosity has definitely been raised over the years and they were featured on the US Paramount documentary: Boybands: Larger Than Life this year. The American music industry commentator stated how they were the biggest pop band and dominated music in Europe at the time, then played a clip of Back For Good. Because Take That were a boyband and not many had success to that level worldwide, I think it is easier for them to be referenced, listed on countdown charts and promoted in America. Robbie being a solo artist against many succesful international solo artists is harder to be seen. In my opinion. In November 2023 both Angels (#3) and Come Undone (#5) charted on Billboard Lyric Find U.S chart. Do we know why?

In the carpool karaoke Howard explained how they turned everything down. The Americans were desperate for them to come over and do all of the promo. The difference with Take That is they only went to countries which had accepted them and given them hits. They never forced themselves upon nations like the Backstreet Boys, for example, who came in like a freight train military operation and not accepting no for an answer. Jason even mentioned in an interview how they were happy being popular in Belgium just as much as if they were in America. I just feel they wanted their music to be heard and authentically recieved, which it was. As a result there are far less Take That records in charity shops and bargain bins across the world. As far as America/Canada are concerned. They were both given different approaches and styles. Canada (single releases): It Only Takes A Minute: February 1993. Peak#20. They had an interview on national TV programme Spotlight (MTV/TRL type). Robbie did an original rap and Howard beat boxed for their performance. They also performed across Toronto in schools and there is footage of this and an interview on youtube. They performed It Only Takes A Minute. Then nothing singles wise... for years. The albums were released --as they were worldwide, regardless of success-- (TT & Party and Everything Changes) and it is reported on a Canadian streaming site bio of them that 'Everything Changes' album did well across Canada, yet didn't break top 100 due to a lack of any promotional effort by the group. It basically stuck around for months, but in the lower sections. Back For Good. #1 for two weeks in Autumn 1995. These next releases the band had already split up. Pray released with a Canadian music video (4 of them) #55. March 1996. ( ) None of the charisma/iconic visuals of original but Robbie was gone so couldn't use that. How Deep Is Your Love #80 in JULY 1996. Zero promotion. Nobody Else & Greatest Hits both Top 40 albums with good chart runs, not flash in the pan. Nobody Else selling Platinum (100,000 copies). Patience #21 March 2007. HOWEVER, this was a 'New Entry' as were all the entries on that chart as charts prior to Canadian Hot 100 forming (that week) went missing in transition. Therefore Patience potentially could have been higher during those missing weeks/months. They have a sizeable and committed fanbase across Canada. Status: Huge chart topping single in 1995 but overall mainly an inconsistent Top 40 act - '93,'95,'96,'07. USA: The approach and style was different here. As far as I'm aware they only officially released three singles for airplay/cd here. A Million Love Songs: September 1993. Didn't chart. Promotion appearence on Regis and Kathy Lee show. Love Ain't Here Anymore (US remix - I much prefer the pop version) included for 1995 US version of Nobody Else. Released, though not sure when '94,'95,'96? but didn't chart. Zero promotion. Back For Good. August 1995, peak autumn of that year. #7, over a month in Top 10. Billboard Hot 100 year end charts, 1995 and 1996. Promotion as a four (David Letterman, Today show, MTV profile in LA, Regis and Kathy Lee) and knowing the group was ending by time of US Top 10 placement. It shows. These interviews and performances of the song are the worst I have seen. Not terrible or bad, just lacking spark. Jaded. I believe BFG was a bucket list move by them to prove to themselves that if they played the game and promoted/spent time there they could have a hit, and they did. No other releases as far as I'm aware. Clearly NMS thought ballads like Boyz II Men, the dominant leaders of that time in the US, was the way to go. I disagree. TT & Party was released in September 1993 with altered track listing. Didn't chart. Everything Changes probably released like in Canada/worldwide. Nobody Else mid 1995. Peak #69. Little promotion for album, knew group was ending. Take That has a committed presence and has been referenced in US by One Direction, New Kids on the Block, NSYNC, Backstreet Boys, 98 Degrees so are known by name and as the premier boyband in Europe of their time. I see loads of comments in the US stating they heard of them through these bands. Had they stayed all five together and had the hit with Back For Good in America then been able to follow that up with another or two. They could all have had a profile to go off on in America either as a group or solo. Back For Good and Never Forget have featured in American publications (Billboard, Rolling Stone etc) for greatest boyband songs. They featured on E's! Greatest boybands countdown as the highest non-US act and likewise for Mojo's (Canadian) Best boybands of all time, ballads list and best UK acts not to break America. Therefore they are known and respected by the industry there, just not the average person. There was a backlash against pop acts in America during those Take That years due to the lipsyncing of Milli Vanilli and New Kids being overly mass merchandised. Status: One Hit Wonders - '95. Take That can tour North America and South America. An article collected social media data and routed a tour map of the cities, nations and venues. 10 years old now but I feel their presence has actually grown in the US. https://www.radiocremebrulee.com/take-that/...tour-in-the-us/

I know over 100 million box office is the benchmark figure deemed a hit. What figure would we be happy with for the feature? What figure is a cult/underground favourite?

30th anniversary of Nobody Else album this year would have been perfect for a South American tour.

''The film received positive reviews from critics but bombed at the box office, notably in North America where Williams has never developed a significant fanbase.'' This is on the film's Wikipedia page, but I thought it hasn't had a wide release in North America yet? If it has made 2.1 million box office worldwide that is slightly higher than 'Greatest Days' box office of 2 million. But that film was only released in the UK and Ireland, recieved next to ZERO publicity --especially in comparison-- and dissapeared out of the Top 10 after two weeks. Is the 2.1 million figure correct? The film 'Here' with Tom Hanks only took 13.4 million worldwide and that was deemed the biggest commercial flop of last year.

Robbie's latest instagram post states he is about to do some North American promotion so that will be good. Just to add another thing about US culture, the only reason for musicians to want to do well in the US is to become more famous and wealthy. Neither of which are true indicators of artistic merit. I just can't believe how entitled and ignorant a lot of the US general public are being about Robbie and others simply for not being famous in their country. There are thousands of Bollywood actors/actresses I've never heard of, same with K-Pop etc but I wouldn't dismiss their talents. I have heard some American artists like Bon Jovi say how in America they make you the biggest thing then discard and mock you, holding musicians to a specific place and time of relevance, whereas in Europe and overseas they respect your whole career and output more, longevitiy.

I have noticed this about the US public as opposed to other nations. They seem to take pride in being the only nation not to have accepted something/one, and almost dismiss as if to say if it didn't happen then it won't happen now. I think too much empthasis is placed on if you are successful in America, but the reality is their charts are the least diverse or fast moving in the world, stale almost. The songs which are successful also have to be mainly bland to fit across US radio. The thing I don't like is the amount of people in the US diminishing his and others achievements simply because they never "broke" or "made it" in the States. People saying the music or performance isn't good enough, which isn't true and is a very simplistic outlook negating many factors and circumstances for foreign artists at that time. Hopefully Robbie will do what he has always done and storm elsewhere providing numbers which show he doesn't need North America as much. The film hasn't opened in Latin/South America yet or the Middle East/Asia unless I am mistaken. The reason I asked is because I noticed Paramount had gone silent on their socials and were back pushing Sonic 3 so it made me wonder. If it is playing in only 6 theatres, what would be a success?

How is Better Man doing in LA, New York, and Toronto?

Not seen that before but thought it was great.

They should give it another cinema run to play alongside Better Man. Double feature.

this is a great and interesting site which keeps track of where shows have been performed worldwide. Take That: https://www.setlist.fm/stats/concert-map/ta...t-63d6ea97.html Robbie: https://www.setlist.fm/stats/concert-map/ro...s-13d6bd11.html I can't speak for Robbie but Take That, in my opinion, need to do a first concert in the following places, based on chart/airplay/spotify/youtube views, and active online fan group data. Africa: Egypt, South Africa, Zimbabwe. Asia: India, Turkey, Malaysia, Philippines. Europe: Croatia, Estonia, Iceland, Norway, Latvia, Lithuania. North America: Canada, Mexico, USA. South America: Argentina, Brazil, Chile, Peru.

True, I know his fans will really support the film when it is out. Not to be dissmissive but there are the Oscars and the real world, i.e national global charts. Songs people remember all over the world in popular culture. How many ordinary people truly remember Best Original song winners? Glad it is less than a week untill out in the cinemas!

It think it is a shame because it is basically a slap on the wrist in front of his musical peers, those who vote. They should have notified this before the final 15.

https://deadline.com/2024/12/forbidden-road...ist-1236239506/ This is a shame, I'm not convinced Rob or Freddy Wexler would have been aware of the Academy members' 1973 song who flagged it up, and was unintentional. At least this didn't happen had the song been final listed as the publicity would have been worse.

https://x.com/Screendaily/status/1865859102535995865 The film just won Best Independent International Film at the BIFA (British Independent Film Awards) 2024 and the director thanked Take That in his speech.

No comparison, however regarding the UK I'm surprised Mark didn't sell more after Take That in '96/'97 and also off the back of the highest public win vote on any Big Brother in 2002. It's crazy to think in the UK alone they have sold over 28 million records at least, and Mark didn't have a higher commercial success from this. He had 2/3rd's of the fan mail during the '90s. So where did they go? Gary has done ok in UK sales, but again pales in comparison to Take That's, even if you compared like-for-like i.e Gary's 6 solo albums for 6 random Take That albums. If that makes sense? I also believe Take That's global sales are higher than 45 million, so wish we had a reliable update.

Take That & Solo: UK Singles Quadruple Platinum: Over 2.4 million copies sold. Angels (1997) Robbie Triple Platinum: Over 1.8 million copies sold. Rule The World (2007) Take That Double Platinum: Over 1.2 million copies sold. Back For Good (1995) Take That Rock DJ (2000) Robbie Patience (2006) Take That Shine (2007) Take That Platinum: Over 600,000 copies sold. Babe (1993) Take That Never Forget (1995) Take That How Deep Is Your Love (1996) Take That Let Me Entertain You (1998) Robbie Millennium (1998) Robbie She's The One/It's Only Us (1999) Robbie Feel (2002) Robbie Greatest Day (2008) Take That The Flood (2010) Take That Candy (2012) Robbie Let Me Go (2013) Gary These Days (2014) Take That Gold: Over 400,000 copies sold. A Million Love Songs (1992) Take That Pray (1993) Take That Relight My Fire (1993) Take That/Lulu Everything Changes (1994) Take That Forever Love (1996) Gary Kids (2000) Robbie/Kylie Minogue Eternity/The Road To Mandalay (2001) Robbie Somethin' Stupid (2001) Robbie/Nicole Kidman Sing (2012) Gary Love My Life (2016) Robbie Silver: Over 200,000 copies sold. Could It Be Magic (1992) Take That Why Can't I Wake Up With You (1993) Take That Love Ain't Here Anymore (1994) Take That Sure (1994) Take That Freedom (1996) Robbie Child (1996) Mark Love Won't Wait (1997) Gary Old Before I Die (1997) Robbie No Regrets (1998) Robbie Strong (1999) Robbie Supreme (2000) Robbie Come Undone (2003) Robbie Tripping (2005) Robbie Up All Night (2009) Take That Said It All (2009) Take That Bodies (2009) Robbie You Know Me (2009) Robbie Shame (2010) Robbie & Gary Kidz (2011) Take That Cry (2016) Take That Giants (2017) Take That UK Albums 10x Platinum: Over 3 million copies sold. I've Been Expecting You (1998) Robbie 9x Platinum: Over 2.7 million copies sold. Beautiful World (2006) Take That 8x Platinum: Over 2.4 million copies sold. Life Thru A Lens (1997) Robbie Sing When You're Winning (2000) Robbie Swing When You're Winning (2001) Robbie Greatest Hits (2004) Robbie Never Forget - The Ultimate Collection (2005) Take That Progress (2010) Take That 7x Platinum: Over 2.1 million copies sold Escapology (2002) Robbie The Circus (2008) Take That 5x Platinum: Over 1.5 million copies sold Intensive Care (2005) Robbie 4x Platinum: Over 1.2 million copies sold Everything Changes (1993) Take That Greatest Hits (1996) Take That 3x Platinum: Over 900,000 copies sold Reality Killed The Video Star (2009) Robbie 2x Platinum: Over 600,000 copies sold Take That & Party (1992) Take That Nobody Else (1995) Take That Live At Knebworth (2003) Robbie Rudebox (2006) Robbie In And Out Of Consciousness: Greatest Hits 1990–2010 (2010) Robbie Swings Both Ways (2013) Robbie Since I Saw You Last (2013) Gary Platinum: Over 300,000 copies sold Open Road (1997) Gary The Greatest Day – Take That Present: The Circus Live (2009) Take That Take The Crown (2012) Robbie III (2014) Take That The Heavy Entertainment Show (2016) Robbie Odyssey (2018) Take That Gold: Over 100,000 copies sold Green Man (1996) Mark The Ego Has Landed (1999, US & Canada) Robbie Progress Live (2011) Take That Sing (2012) Gary Wonderland (2017) Take That The Christmas Present (2019) Robbie Music Played By Humans (2020) Gary This Life (2023) Take That Silver: Over 60,000 copies sold The Platinum Collection (2006) Take That XXV (2022) Robbie

I wonder why 'I Found Heaven' was chosen to represent early Take That considering they all hated it! It was the only song written by the producer, not Gary, and not only that but the producer supplemented Robbie's vocals with Billy Griffin's so the whole song is hardly flattering. Most Take That fans have forgotten about the song. Relight My Fire I can understand for the joyous nature, huge success, and striking visuals they had performing it on tour.

A Million Love Songs has finally hit Gold (400,000) today. Hopefully one day it can go Platinum as it was a vital early song for them and the one they were formed around. It is now the most successful single from their debut album. Which other songs do we feel will gain higher certs in time? I believe Back For Good will get 3x Platinum (1.8 million) and Never Forget, The Flood, Greatest Day 2x Platinum (1.2 million) in time. Pray and Relight My Fire I can see going Gold finally due to their continued exposure, and Could It Be Magic possibly. Sure also seems to get more exposure these days than some of their other tracks, namely How Deep Is Your Love, and could go Gold. I think due to the noteriety Do What U Like could go Silver (200,000) over time. I also think one of the singles from 'This Life' could go Silver in the future as fans listen to these songs more over time. I Found Heaven and Relight My Fire are featured in 'Better Man' so they could maybe benefit in sales from that.

If a girlband British documentary is done I'm guessing it would start with Eternal and finish with Girls Aloud/Sugababes. Covering the same timeline, '90s - mid '00s. In the same way they kept this documentary to Take That, East 17, Westlife, Blue, Damage, Five, 911. The documentary was fantastic considering Take That, Blue, Damage, Five and 911 have all been covered before. Boyzone are clearly holding out for their Sky doc and A1 and (briefly) Another Level --through Dane's account-- have also been profiled. The girlbands would likely be: Eternal, Spice Girls, All Saints, Atomic Kitten, Sugababes, Girls Aloud. Which of the managers do you feel came off well? I think Five --Chris, not so much Simon-- and Blue's weren't too bad. Most of Blue got their heads turned by others by the sound of it. I also think Nigel Martin-Smith wasn't bad when speaking about the group as a whole and trying to protect them. He spoke a lot of logical sense there. However, with regard to Robbie there are clearly some unresolved issues on his part and lack of compassion/empathy. Jason's story would actually be the most compelling as he was by far the worst treated by Nigel, with Robbie following next. Nigel liked Gary and Howard the most, with Mark placed behind.

The reason I believe the other TT members aren't in and Boyzone is because Take That have a Netflix documentary and Boyzone have a Sky documentary in production. Also, as stated above Take That have been on a World Tour. I agree that the inclusion of Busted and McFly would have been good. Blue were documented up to 2005 so the whole of Busted and the start of McFly could also have been included. Charlie Simpson and Dougie's stories would have been great and I LOVE Fightstar so would have been great for them to feature. I wonder why they left A1 and Another Level out? Maybe would have diluted the narrative too much. 911 being as popular as Boyzone, Backstreet Boys and Westlife in Asia really is crazy as they had minimal success in the UK, NONE in Europe, the Americas, Africa, Australia and only sparse moderate in New Zealand. However, LOADS of boybands had success across south east Asia. That area of asia couldn't get enough of boybands, arguably more than the UK.

It's interesting how boybands followed trends of the time like the pop rock iterations of the mid '00s. Then JLS later who were the original X Factor launch boyband, followed by One Direction who were almost 'anti-boyband' in that they didn't dance or put on a performance, and would rip off rock songs to start their own tracks. The Clash, The Who, Def Leppard, Summer Lovin' from Grease, Simple Plan etc etc. The Wanted were another lad band in the form of Five, East 17, Blue but had a dance sound, popular at the time, and some minimal dance routines. Don't know enough about K-Pop and BTS etc but know they are inspired by Michael Jackson majorly.

The Noise Next Door, I believe. I loved their song 'She Might' or it could be Freefaller --lead singer was Ollie from Point Break-- who had a hit with 'Do This! Do That!'.