nirvanamusic

I totally agree that Reach Out would have been a better single in the UK. Coupled with a great music video it could have been a hit. I would have placed I'd Wait For Life above maybe a handful of other singles yet to come. As a single from the Beautiful World period I would have loved Wooden Boat for Jason with a proper music video. That way they would have been the only boyband to have had all members lead on a hit song (potentially speaking in this case) What a great way to show the bands talent, no driftwood in Take That. The song was a critics and fan favourite when the album was released. It would also have reaffirmed the new shared Take That principles to the wider public and given Jason his moment. I agree that I'd Wait For Life is taken under by the juggernauts that are Patience, Shine, and Rule The World in a way that Reach Out's drive and enthusiasm or Jason's first lead Wooden Boat wouldn't.

An interesting story about Love Ain't Here Anymore is that Lou Pearlman, the manager of Backstreet Boys and NSYNC, heard Take That's song rewrote the lyrics and presented it to NSYNC saying he wrote it and was an early recording for them. They performed the song in Germany but the audience laughed throughout and the local record executives told them after it was a Take That song that had been released. Lance told both Gary and Robbie this story on his podcast with them. Hope the link above to I'll Be Back For More, NSYNC, works. Pearlman would also rip off British r'n'b boyband MN8's I've Got A Little Something For You and gave it to Backstreet Boys as their debut single We've Got It Goin' On the following year. Backstreet Boys other manager Johnny Wright told a member of MN8 this later after the BSB song was released.

Love Ain't Here Anymore would be in my Top 7. It is easy listening, gorgeous strings and orchestration, brilliant vocal arrangements. It has always had more plays from me over the years than Everything Changes, Babe, Why Can't I Wake Up With You and Relight My Fire from that album. Though Pray remains my favourite from 'Everything Changes' and a high favourite overall. The group seem to have disowned this and I don't understand why. Yes it halted their number 1's streak, briefly, but it was the sixth single off an album that had already sold extensively. I think they would be surprised the reaction this would get on tour with a full orchestra. Any other time it might have gone to #1, however, it was beaten by the largest selling single of 1994 in the UK (Love Is All Around, Wet Wet Wet) and the largest selling single of 1994 in the US (I Swear, All-4-One) Therefore I feel the band should put that into context. The song really showcases them as a vocal group. The US version of this they put out is awful, a slow dull dirge. I much prefer this pop version.

I agree as this is my least favourite as well. However, I do like the fact they expanded their genres and scope. As you say unique but its just not for me and forgotten. Everlasting would have been a better choice from the new songs off Odyssey.

This will be great, look forward to it.

Moving forward, for the future I would like the band to: Play shows in Africa, South America, and Canada for the first time. Las Vegas residency. (Achieving these would mean all their fans worldwide would have had a chance to see them, and it means they did everything they could to connect with their audience) A joint tour with New Kids on the Block. This has been mentioned over the years by NKOTB. A joint tour with Backstreet Boys and/or a music collaboration. This has been mentioned over the years by BSB. Have an Oscar nominated song. Rule The World was truly robbed that year of a nom and should have gone higher through the shortlist rounds and been nominated. Reintroduce their back catalogue back into the mainstream, most notably through major films. A new Christmas song to play yearly and become a staple. Continue to release new albums and promote songs. I would have said a Netflix documentary but that has been confirmed. It would be nice for them to get the footage of them on David Letterman and the Today show to remind the US audience of their hit. Plus the fact they were offered a spot on Baywatch, the biggest show in the world at the time. Thoughts?

I think they have done as well as they could at this stage. The thing I liked most was them playing places in the UK and also around the world they haven't before. I believe that is the right way to go for their future. It's just a shame they cancelled the South Africa and New Zealand shows.

When the press releases say with insights from Robbie and Jason that means archive not new. Right?

Kidz has been certified Silver status for over 200,000 sales/streams in the UK today.

I think now they have located their online audiences, work should go into upping their streaming presence. They have had multiple hits, they just need to remind people. I mean look at Backstreet Boys, they have actively forced some of their songs into continued public spheres such as use in multiple adverts, movies, tiktok challenges etc. Basically they have a huge team operating like a machine pushing them as a brand to a younger, streaming audience. A forced choice. I mean I'm conflicted because to me too much cheapens the music by becoming over exploitative in areas outside the actual song itself. It does make me cringe and reflects badly on the artist. Remember the 90s Spice Girls backlash? However, the reality is pop culture references keep songs in the public eye and to new audiences. I am amazed some of Take That's songs haven't been used more.

https://www.iq-mag.net/2024/07/this-life-on...with-take-that/ I think this is great and they should look at more territories, as their peak was pre-social media. They seem to be committed to going outside of the UK more which is fantastic and will hold them better for the future. When you look at their fellow boybands, Backstreet Boys and Westlife did some real graft touring across the world. Number of countries performed followed by continents. Backstreet Boys: 64 nations. 6/6. Robbie Williams: 54 nations. 6/6. Westlife: 47 nations. 6/6. One Direction: 34 nations. 6/6. Boyzone/Take That: 31 *By the end of the This Life tour* nations. 4/6 - 3/6. Boyz II Men: 28 nations. 6/6. New Kids On The Block: 26 nations. 5/6. Blue: 24 nations. 3/6. Five: 22 nations. 4/6. NSYNC: 13 nations. 4/6. Take That have yet to perform shows in Africa, and North & South America.

What would you like to see on a Greatest Hits Vol 2 (2006-now) from the band? Unfortunately Odyssey isn't being picked up by fans who are still choosing to purchase either Greatest Hits ('96) or Never Forget: The Ultimate Collection ('05) after their tour performances. I'm not sure about track listing placement but for me: 1.Greatest Day. 2.Patience. 3.Shine. 4.The Flood. 5.Windows. 6.Up All Night. 7.This Life. 8.Out Of Our Heads. 9.Giants. 10.Kidz. 11.Love Love. 12.Said It All. 13.You and Me. 14.Get Ready For It. 15.Cry. 16.These Days. 17.Greatest Day (Remix). 18.Hold Up A Light. 19.Rule The World. I made sure every release was represented. A standard Greatest Hits would sell more than a remix album that has been proven just by looking at the album charts. I would have loved Wooden Boat to have been released as a single and that would have featured for me. Thoughts?

Everything Changes (single) has finally gone Gold (400,000 sales) today so hopefully more of their back catalogue will reach higher certs in time. This means the song is more popular now than Relight My Fire, A Million Love Songs, Could It Be Magic, and Sure. Thoughts on reasons?

I know it is a long way off at the moment but which song do we feel has the potential to go Silver (200,000) over time? Windows, Brand New Sun, This Life, You and Me, All Wrapped Up. ?

Two in a Million, the other one has dropped from radio stations and forgotten about outside their fandom.

Take That Take That & Party (1992) - 600,000 A Million Love Songs: 400,000 Could It Be Magic: 200,000 Total: 1.2 million. Everything Changes (1993) - 1.2 million Why Can't I Wake Up With You: 200,000 Pray: 400,000 Relight My Fire: 600,000 Babe: 600,000 Everything Changes: 400,000 Love Ain't Here Anymore: 200,000 Total: 3.6 million Nobody Else (1995) - 600,000 Sure: 200,000 Back For Good: 1.2 million Never Forget: 600,000 Total: 2.6 million Greatest Hits (1996) - 1.2 million How Deep Is Your Love: 600,000 Total: 1.8 million Never Forget: The Ultimate Collection (2005) - 2.4 million Total: 2.4 million Beautiful World (2006) - 2.7 million Patience: 1.2 million Shine: 1.2 million Rule The World: 1.8 million Total: 6.9 million The Platinum Collection (2006) - 60,000 Total: 60,000 The Circus (2008) - 2.1 million Greatest Day: 1.2 million Up All Night: 200,000 Said It All: 200,000 Total: 3.7 million The Greatest Day - Take That Present: The Circus Live (2009) - 300,000 Total: 300,000 Progress (2010) - 2.4 million The Flood: 600,000 Kidz: 200,000 Total: 3.2 million Progress Live (2011) - 100,000 Total: 100,000 III (2014) - 300,000 These Days: 600,000 Total: 900,000 Wonderland (2017) - 100,000 Cry: 200,000 Giants: 200,000 Total: 500,000 Odyssey (2018) - 300,000 Total: 300,000 This Life (2023) - 100,000 Total: 100,000 Westlife Westlife (1999) - 1.5 million Swear It Again: 600,000 If I Let You Go: 600,000 Flying Without Wings: 600,000 I Have A Dream/Seasons In The Sun: 600,000 Fool Again: 400,000 Total: 4.3 million Coast To Coast (2000) - 1.8 million Against All Odds: 600,000 My Love: 600,000 What Makes A Man: 400,000 Total: 3.4 million World Of Our Own (2001) - 1.2 million Uptown Girl: 1.2 million Queen Of My Heart: 600,000 When You're Looking Like That: 400,000 World Of Our Own: 600,000 Bop Bop Baby: 200,000 Total: 4.2 million Unbreakable - The Greatest Hits Volume 1 (2002) - 1.8 million Unbreakable: 200,000 Total: 2 million. Turnaround (2003) - 600,000 Mandy: 200,000 Total: 800,000 ...Allow Us To Be Frank (2004) - 600,000 Total: 600,000 Face To Face (2005) - 1.2 million You Raise Me Up: 600,000 Total: 1.8 million The Love Album (2006) - 900,000 The Rose: 200,000 Total: 1.1 million Back Home (2007) - 900,000 Home: 200,000 Total: 1.1 million Where We Are (2009) - 600,000 What About Now: 600,000 Total: 1.2 million Gravity (2010) - 300,000 Total: 300,000 Greatest Hits (2011) - 900,000 Total: 900,000 Spectrum (2019) - 100,000 Hello My Love: 600,000 Better Man: 200,000 Total: 900,000 Wild Dreams (2021) - 100,000 Total: 100,000 25: The Ultimate Collection (2026) - 60,000 Total: 600,000 Final Table 1.Beautiful World (2006) Take That - 6.9 million. 2.Westlife (1999) Westlife - 4.3 million. 3.World Of Our Own (2001) Westlife - 4.2 million. 4.The Circus (2008) Take That - 3.7 million. 5.Everything Changes (1993) Take That - 3.6 million. 6.Coast To Coast (2000) Westlife - 3.4 million. 7.Progress (2010) Take That - 3.2 million. 8.Nobody Else (1995) Take That - 2.6 million. 9.Never Forget: The Ultimate Collection (2005) Take That - 2.4 million. 10.Unbreakable - The Greatest Hits Volume 1 (2002) Westlife - 2 million.

That is true. However, I still think it is fantastic that they are now going to new places to perform. As people say, it's better late than never. It also gives them more of an idea for potential future arrangements.

They are touring Europe, Middle East, and Australia for the album: 'This Life' More potentially to follow. Below is the year they last toured in that continent and country: Asia: Indonesia: 1995. Japan: 1995. Singapore: 2016. Taiwan: 2007. Europe: Austria: 2019. Czech Republic: Never. Denmark: 2023. Germany: 2019. Hungary: Never. Ireland: 2019. Italy: 2019. Malta: Never. Poland: Never. Portugal: Never. Slovakia: Never. Spain: 2007. Switzerland: 2019. Middle East: United Arab Emirates (UAE): 2017. Oceania: Australia: 2017. However these are the gigs they have had to cancel: Finland (2023), New Zealand, South Africa. *realised I posted this in wrong thread so have moved it.

Would be nice if Howard made the studio version of 'Speak Without Words' available.

They are playing their first ever shows in Malta, 19th-20th October. However, they pulled their two first ever South African dates to accomodate, with no reasoning. A lot of fans are unhappy, understandably, at the way it has been handeled. No communication or apology.

Shine has crossed over 1.2 million sales (Double Platinum) in the UK. It is their fourth song to cross this mark. I think in time Never Forget, Greatest Day, and The Flood will do the same.

https://www.iq-mag.net/2024/02/uta-duo-reve...ing-masterplan/ This is fantastic and what I wanted them to do in terms of finding where their international audience is.

I thought that also. Hopefully the tour will push the album back into the charts.

They are touring Asia, Europe, Middle East, and Australia for the album. 'This Life'! More potentially to follow. Below is the year they last toured in that continent and country: Asia: Indonesia: 1995 Japan: 1995. Singapore: 2016. Taiwan: 2007. Europe: Austria: 2019. Czech Republic: Never. Denmark: 2023. Germany: 2019. Hungary: Never. Ireland: 2019. Italy: 2019. Malta: Never. Poland: Never. Portugal: Never. Slovakia: Never. Spain: 2007. Switzerland: 2019. Middle East: United Arab Emirates (UAE): 2017. Oceania: Australia: 2017.

Out of interest, here are all the boyband singles (New Kids onwards) which have gone Double Platinum or higher in the UK. UK Singles - Platinum+ Triple Platinum: Over 1.8 million copies sold. I Want It That Way (1999) Backstreet Boys. Rule The World (2007) Take That. What Makes You Beautiful (2011) One Direction. Double Platinum: Over 1.2 million copies sold. Stay Another Day (1994) East 17. Back For Good (1995) Take That. Everybody (Backstreet's Back) (1997) Backstreet Boys. No Matter What (1998) Boyzone. Keep On Movin' (1999) Five. Uptown Girl (2001) Westlife. Patience (2006) Take That. Shine (2007) Take That. Glad You Came (2011) The Wanted. Little Things (2012) One Direction. Story Of My Life (2013) One Direction. Night Changes (2014) One Direction. Steal My Girl (2014) One Direction. Drag Me Down (2015) One Direction. History (2015) One Direction. Reggaeton Lento (2017) CNCO & Little Mix. Sucker (2019) Jonas Brothers. While One Direction has sold a lot of singles (14.4 million to Take That's 13.2) they are far behind on album sales (4.4 million to Take That's 14.4 million) Overall UK sales currently are: Take That: 28 million. Westlife: 22.3 million. One Direction: 18.9 million. Boyzone: 14.3 million. These are the only four boybands currently to have cumulatively crossed 10 million sales in the UK. Take That and Westlife being the only two to have gone over 10 million in both albums and singles separately.