elisabeth1974

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So the huge plans are cancelled to your opinion, Alex? Many of us have thought he would invest in USA and maybe he would if the movie would have been successful. For South America I am wondering that he still seems to be famous there after he has not toured there since 2006? They seem to be even more faithful than Germany. It might be a financial strategy, but if I see that TT really went to places they had not been a long time, I wonder why Rob is not doing this. What about the album? If it will be out only end of the year then the tour will have the old songs again? Then I read this morning that there are some requests of football clubs to boycott the club WM in the USA which would mean that once again he is in bad luck (despite I don't think the boycott will happen) What about Dubai, hopeium? In the moment I have the feeling he had given up again on the huge attempts and is back to the standard Rob whichis for me sometimes not serious enough (I mean the music and career topics not his struggles).

There are quite many posts on twitter from Spanish and Portugese speaking people. I wonder how BM is doing/ will do in South America. It would have been great if he would have been there in person one time.

There is a video of her from the beginning of her career in a car with a friend and they sang Rock DJ loud. A woman with taste.

He seems to post from Switzerland so I assume he and Ayda will not be at the Oscars :-(

not the right topic, but the Forum is online again. Happy to see you all in here as this is a nice Robbie place to be

do we have any idea how Better Man movie is doing in South America or on pre-orders for the DVD?

will we be able to get data about the streaming, DVD sales etc? Are there any new data about movie sales? I assume that it will now be about 22 million so would it be possible to make 80 million with streaming?

I entirely support what you say, Alex. Rob himself always took breaks if he had not to promote stuff as he said by himself. When he was in his imperial phase this was even a good way to make you rare so that you are not overexposed. But things changed: He is not in his imperial phase anymore since 15 years. He has little new music out and what he did in between and was really good like the Avicii song or the song with the Struts was not promoted good enough. Plus, since social media took over you need to be present. We thought he was with his instgram stories etcetera. But it had been fans watching this, not the general public. You see in any sales of concert tickets that they sell out at the end but while the fans buy cards it takes far more time to sell out with the general public. The Better Man movie promo was the first good and very intense promo for years. If there could have been better strategic moves is another question. What they have forgotten though is that aside of the fans who grew old with Rob little had been done to create bonds with general people, do posts, do stories like you mentioned in our post. Even for huge stars of the moment they need to do a lot of extra work to stay prominent. They have messed through years by not doing anything. I am very sorry for Michael Gracey as he had done an excelent job and while Rob might have a long term profit from this movie, Gracey might have difficulties for the next movie to get fianced.

I love Misunderstood, I love Heaven from here. I still love his work with Stephan Duffy/Intensive Care, maybe because it was the time I became a fan and I remember that every old video I saw on youtube was like a revelation of something great.

As disappointing the review is as much I see the point. Having Rob played by a good looking young actor even if not similar looking to Rob would have drawn more people in, despite the critical acclamation would have been less impressive. I also think that the calculation was that Michael Gracey's name and the songs would be good enough to start an avalanche. The only positive point I see in the moment that despite calling it a flop no one takes away that the movie is a good one. If the fact that Rob is known now more in the USA for all the wrong reasons is at the end supporting his next endeavors, I am not sure.

I also want to thank anyone who posted the last weeks. Sometimes in here it is more busy than on the Rob facebook pages. This is by the way also what I like here that I feel it is a bit of good discussions like in forum times. Thank you.

Until now the press has not bathed into the failure as much as they normally would because I guess the reviews have been overwhelmingly good. Different to Rudebox times they also seem to like Robbie more :-) Any new figures about BM?

What is the total amount right now? !2 million?

Maybe there is still hope that there will be an increase of audience figures

I still like the song a lot

I just read it will open on the 27th of February. How sweet does Teddy look, so 'normal' considering many celebrity daughters looking far older due to their make up and dresses

If the movie did something it is at least making his name known in the US market. I love all your analysis, people on here.

Interesting thoughts, Alex. Good luck this week.

I like to read your analysis, Katheryn. The discussion about Rob being a legend or not is one I do not understand since I became a fan. Why is George Michael more a legend, Rod Stewart? I also think that the coquettish way of using terms like 'narcissism' was not helpful. The monkey part I understand as I disliked this as only bit from the start but understood it as trigger, which unfortunately did not pan out.

Laura, this is what I do not understand. His concerts are still very much liked especially considering the lack of new music. But I understand that the movie also flopped in the UK and this is his home market. I do not see anything from Germany yet, but despite best critics do not see it being a success there either as not all cinemas show it. I assume the monkey is putting people off. On the other side it was for sure one reasons for the very great reviews.

Indeed the movie is 20 years too late when it comes to the popularity of Rob. Everytime he has toured the last 10 years I worried that he would not sell enough tickets. It seems though that his reputation as an entertainer is still good enough even with no real new music published successfully since Candy. The most positive I take from the movie are the good reviews and him being in the limelight again. Since being a Robbie fan I haave learned that he polarizes a lot especially in the UK: Either you love or absolutely hate him. With social media and the discussion in the USA carried by mostly males (I hear) I would lose all self assurance about the way the vitriol is spread there. I have been always very critical about Gary Barlow in the past as I felt about him as arrogant and had expressed this also in many posts (before I got calmer :-) ). However, what you read on twitter is partly toxic and I never checked tiktok. I wonder how Rob feels about it. I cannot imagine hat it passes him untouched to realize that he is seemingly too mediocre for the USA and his fan base has shrunk immensely. I also think that the times are tough for many people looking at the economic situation many face in Europe these days. Rob had thrown himself that much in the campaign. Well, I think it is indeed time for a support hug.

As I am a person worrying far too much :-) I also worried for the movie and the case it might not be successful. Well, Jennifer Lopez movies in the last years were all flops as far as I know and nevertheless she goes on being called a huge star. Rob has however always considered himself with low self esteem so I hope he will thrive on the critics and his guts to try. I also think that he never had a good timing for 'breaking' America....they do not even like Justin Timberlake anymore.

both of your posts, Katheryn and nirvana, make a lot of sense. if there would be a young actor - as example - the girls could adore, it might have been something else. So is there anything positive we can take out of this? In the moment all we see is that the Americans have now officially said 'no'

I had some time on my hand today and looked up some youtube videos of Robbie: Angels, Let me entertain you Knebworth, come undone etc and a lot of new comments of ex-fans, non-fans, fans and Americans checking him out. If BM has achieved something than it is bringing Rob back from commodity to being interesting