-Jay-

Hold up, the article doesn’t mention her not wanting to be associated with “Ginger Spice”! :thinking: Where’s that from from?

I’m not confident about a version with Raye being released commercially tbh. It doesn’t seem like Raye wants to be associated with dance single anymore.

I love these two :cry: My preference is Guilty as Sin but So Long London shouldn’t go this soon either. Argh!

Former Spice Girl Geri Horner misses out on Starbucks ad campaign in row over what to call its Halloween coffee It was the perfect recipe to spice up Starbucks’s best-selling Halloween-themed pumpkin latte. But the coffee chain’s plans to make Geri Horner the face of its popular autumnal drink are said to have been left in tatters following a dispute over whether or not it should be named after the former Ginger Spice. The Mail on Sunday can reveal that Ms Horner, 52, had spent ten months in negotiations with Starbucks to front the campaign, which was due to launch within weeks and would have earned her an estimated six-figure sum. But sources at the US firm say that, at the 11th hour, the Spice Girl wanted to name the coffee the ‘Geri Latte’ which it refused to do, prompting her to pull out. Last night, Ms Horner declined to comment about the end of the deal but friends of the star denied she had asked for the drink to be named after her. Meanwhile, Starbucks insiders insist this was the case. There is also a suggestion that her husband, Christian Horner, the Red Bull F1 boss, is ‘no fan’ of the coffee firm. A source at the chain said: ‘Talks were ongoing for ages. It was a seriously lucrative deal which would have seen Geri’s face all over Starbucks through the month of October. It was major. ‘The negotiations began last year. It was on course to be a goer. ‘Then there was a disagreement over what it would be named and whether it would stay as a simple pumpkin spice latte. That’s when things began to fall apart. ‘It’s a huge blow for Starbucks. Halloween is a massive commercial opportunity for them, so the bosses are furious at it all crumbling at the last minute. It was perfect that Ginger Spice was going to be the face of Starbucks.’ Had Ms Horner signed the deal, she would have followed American star Oprah Winfrey, who in 2014 launched the ‘Oprah Chai Tea’ with the chain. Starbucks started developing the pumpkin spice latte in January 2003 following the successful introduction of winter seasonal drinks, such as the peppermint mocha and eggnog latte. Starbucks’s Peter Dukes said at its launch that ‘developers realised there was something special around the pumpkin flavour, especially since there wasn’t anything around pumpkin at the time’. The company experimented with different combinations and ratios of pumpkin to spice, ultimately deciding on a recipe containing no pumpkin. According to a CNN report in August 2022, Starbucks has sold more than 600 million cups of the drink since its launch. The singer, who married Mr Horner in 2014, is said to be worth around £41million and in her heyday as a Spice Girl she endorsed global brands such as Pepsi, Kodak and Walkers Crisps. In recent years F1 drivers have had their own Starbucks cups, with Lando Norris and Daniel Ricciardo both agreeing for drawings of themselves to appear on the brand’s merchandise. Ms Horner declined to comment on the deal yesterday. ————— How random!!

Lol all of your posts in this thread so far haven't answered the question of the topic... what's your favourite to least favourite?

Windows didn't do much for me when it was released, and I didn't listen to the album when it was released (I only got around to it about a week ago :lol: ). But I heard Windows a couple of times since and I'm finding more of an appreciation for it. Still, I think there were perhaps better choices to lead with!

I prefer S Club to every artist that's been revealed below them :kink:

13 of us have ranked the songs and collectively this is how we rank them: 1st - Edge of Saturday Night (44 points) 2nd - Midnight Ride (37 points) 3rd - My Oh My (28 points) 4th - Dance Alone (21 points) Edge of Saturday Night Favourite: ChrisJK, Fact Checker, Jay, Jessie Where, markivj, One for Sorrow, Padamic Tension, spiceboy Least Favourite: neill2407 Midnight Ride Favourite: aeroco, Lukuzz, WhoOdyssey Least Favourite: ChrisJK My Oh My Favourite: RobBot Least Favourite: Jessie Where, Fact Checker, markivj, spiceboy Dance Alone Favourite: neill2407 Least Favourite: aeroco, Jay, Lukuzz, One for Sorrow, Padamic Tension, RobBot, WhoOdyssey

Ooh, Number One magazine was certainly a bit before my time - I Googled and it seems from looking at some other covers that this magazine was very supportive of them in those early days! I remember seeing those pictures before. :kink: I rather like their cover of How Deep Is Your Love! Although I didn't pay much attention to music until after Take That had split, I do seem to have a memory of hearing their version back then... maybe at a school disco. I wouldn't say there's any really major losses from your count down yet, Joseph! I also think it's interesting how 'Why Can't I Wake Up With You' did so well for them as the last single from the debut, and kind of served to bridge the gap between their first two albums. I prefer the single mix, the original album mix seemed more nondescript.

The leap in success she's achieved with this album is just insane! UK peaks #1 - Short n' Sweet #41 - emails i can't send (Entered at #76) #176 - Singular Act I #188 - EVOLution #199 - fruitcake n/a - Eyes Wide Open n/a - Singular Act II UK first week sales 89,658 Short n' Sweet 1,641 emails i can't send 1,105 fruitcake 863 Singular Act I 665 Singular Act II 653 EVOLution 443 Eyes Wide Open UK total sales 112,965 emails i can't send 89,658 Short n' Sweet 16,438 Eyes Wide Open 13,594 Singular Act I 11,130 EVOLution 10,218 Singular Act II 6,310 fruitcake

I don't begrudge her for seizing the opportunity of the VMAs, but outright cancelling those two dates instead of rescheduling them is a crappy move to say the least. To the fans who were going to those venues, that was the one opportunity to see her at those smaller size venue for a cheap-ish price - and as mentioned, they were dedicated to her before she blew up. I feel bad for them!

Need the tie to be broken!

I wonder why these don't appear to be more widely available? I've only seen them posted about / sold by this one independent store :unsure:

Such a different time! Funny to think of a label making a decision to force a single to stop selling, before demand had naturally decreased. ~ The Confide in Me video is definitely one of Kylie's most striking visuals :cheeseblock:

^ Wet Wet Wet increasing from 65k to 100k! :drama: That was unfortunate for Mariah and Luther, possibly a #1 for them if they'd released it a week earlier (assuming they were still able to sell 68k a week earlier). Back to Kylie: I have to admit that Confide in Me isn't one of my ultimate Kylie favourites, but nevertheless I do like it - and I can appreciate how bold the song must have seemed to the public, following on from the PWL era! Sadly a bit of a fluke for her in regards to the Deconstruction era, given that no other singles went Top 10 in the UK! (Although Put Yourself in My Place did reasonably well as a #11 peak... stayed in the Top 40 for 7 weeks, whereas Confide in Me managed 6).

I'm not suffering this emotion, thankfully x

Fave: September Sun Least Fave: Dear Santa

I guess we'll see! It being sent to radio in France might not necessarily mean it's destined to be a full blown single, does it? :thinking: Although if that's all it was, then that's still probably enough for it to be considered as a single by Wikipedia! I'm still of the opinion that These Walls is by a distance the most sensible choice to be a single... but it should have impacted ages ago. :thinking: It feels like they've left it too late.

Airing tonight at 9pm on BBC One, Who Do You Think You Are? - Melanie Chisholm Seemingly this write up summarises the entire episode: Melanie Chisholm found fame as Sporty Spice in the world-famous girl band The Spice Girls. Today, she’s an award-winning solo artist and believes that her success is partly owing to her drive and resilience. Melanie would love to find out if she shares this with her ancestors. Both sides of Melanie’s family come from Liverpool, and so this is where she begins her journey. Armed with a photograph of her great-grandmother Mary Bilsborough, she heads to the port city to see what she can find. In Liverpool, Melanie discovers that her great-grandmother Mary was quite a character. She was married twice and had several illegitimate children with Melanie’s great-grandfather, while her first husband was still alive. Mary is also listed on the 1939 Register as a moneylender. Melanie wonders how her great-grandmother could lend money when the family were not well off. At Liverpool Central Library, Melanie meets local historian Pat Ayers, who explains that it was not unusual for working class women to become moneylenders. They would use any spare cash to lend as the returns from charging interest were lucrative, but you had to be tough and savvy to do it. In 1927, a bill was passed, which meant moneylenders had to be licensed. In order to carry on legally, Mary Bilsborough would have had to defend her character in court. Melanie looks through the register of moneylenders to see if her great-grandmother managed to get a licence. She’s relieved when she finds Mary’s name on the list, and also discovers from her probate that Mary was very successful, leaving the equivalent of around £46,000 in today’s money on her death. Melanie is keen to explore a family rumour about an Irish connection. The 1911 Census reveals that Mary’s father was called Patrick Flaherty. Could this be where the Irish connection starts? Melanie meets up with genealogist Rachel Rick to see if she can push the line back to Ireland. Rachel explains that Melanie’s great-great-grandfather Patrick Flaherty was actually born in Liverpool, but his father, another Patrick, was born in Ireland and came from Croom in County Limerick. This is where Melanie heads to next. Melanie wants to know what made her family leave rural Croom in Ireland for Liverpool. She discovers that her third great-grandparents were tenant farmers, and that they started to have children in 1846. This wasn’t a good time to be bringing up a family in rural Ireland. In 1845, the potato crops were devastated by blight, a fungal disease, and what’s known as the Great Famine began. The famine had an enormous impact on Irish history, including Melanie’s family. As crops failed and poverty led to extreme hardship and starvation in rural Ireland, Melanie’s family, like many others, sought work in the cities. They moved from rural Croom to Limerick city, and from there to Liverpool. Melanie reflects on how strong and resilient her ancestors had been, surviving such hardships and finding a way to endure and prosper in a new city. Melanie now turns her attention to her maternal side. Having discovered how her dad’s family ended up in Liverpool, she now wants to find out how far back her roots in the city go on her mum’s side. Genealogist Rachel King shows her a family tree that traces back generation after generation to Liverpool, but then reveals that her fourth great-grandfather Thomas Keef actually came from Devon. Records dating back to 1828 reveal that Thomas was an orphan by the age of eight and grew up in a workhouse. Although his prospects seemed bleak, Melanie discovers in the 1851 Census that he was married with three children and worked as a baker. Seven years later, an advert in the Western Daily Press shows he changed profession and worked as a manager in an insurance company in Bristol. Melanie picks up the trail in Bristol, where she meets insurance historian James Kneal. James tells Melanie that her fourth great-grandfather had worked his way up to become manager in what was then a booming industry. But Melanie is shocked to discover that in 1860, Thomas was in court, charged with embezzlement. Newspaper articles reveal the twists and turns of the court case and that finally, three years later, Thomas was cleared, although he lost his job. The articles also reveal that Thomas had a new position – in Liverpool. Melanie ends her journey where she started, in Liverpool. Thomas Keef may have moved cities, possibly to escape the stigma of the court case, but once again he was making headlines. However, this time as a campaigner to improve working men’s lives and rights. As Melanie reflects on the journey she’s taken, she feels proudly Liverpudlian, and sees the city as a place that gave both sides of her family a chance to start again and reinvent themselves. She’s also discovered a long line of determined, hardworking and ambitious people who stood up for themselves and what they believed in. She hopes that she has a little bit of that in her, too. 29 August 2024 57 minutes

'I'd Wait for Life' didn't stick out to me as having single potential, so it was certainly a surprise when it was announced! And also unsurprising to me when it didn't do too well. Almost 18 years later(!) I still feel that way about it. It's not that I think it's bad, it's a pleasant track... but surely better left as an album track. I agree that Reach Out would have been a better option! Also an interesting point raised about Jason never being given his moment to have a lead vocal single, like the other three. I wonder if he wanted that or not? 'Do What U Like' will always be memorable for that video! :lol: I wonder how many people actually saw the video when it was brand new? Perhaps not that many were exposed ( :kink: ) to it? Did it only become notorious once Take That became massive? I'm kind of surprised that the song was even included on the debut album given how it didn't do well. I don't think the song is great, but not terrible either!

1. Edge of Saturday Night 2. My Oh My 3. Midnight Ride 4. Dance Alone

Just a little longer!

A Top 10 finish is the very least that 'Guilty as Sin?' deserves, so I'll try and be glad about that even though 10th place will still be an injustice xox Once it's gone, it looks like my bemusement will be redirected towards how 'So Long, London' is doing - I'm rather surprised to see it picking up a few votes at this stage! Also, is 'The Smallest Man Who Ever Lived' dark horsing this? :thinking: I wouldn't rank it close to my personal Top 10 from the album, yet judging by these results it's currently on track for a Top 5 finish. :unsure: It's only avoiding my vote because it's still not my least favourite remaining... and songs I prefer to it have left before it!

I have a soft spot for this one! Nothing exceptional, but it's nice easy listening.