Jump to content

Robbie

Members

  • Joined

  • Last visited

View Profile Find content

Posts posted by Robbie

    The charts were compiled on a Tuesday morning until May 1986 when after this they were compiled on a Sunday afternoon. However the music industry didn't want them revealed until a Tuesday but Radio 1 pushed for them to be revealed on a Sunday afternoon as Radio 1 were losing listeners to the charts on independent local radio. It took until October 1987 before this happened. However Radio 1 did get to countdown the new chart on a late Tuesday afternoon from 1984 when Monday was a Bank Holiday. Prior to this the new charts weren't published until a Wednesday.

    With viewing figures as low as that I can't see the BBC hurrying to commission a third series. I caught the last 10 or so minutes of the programme last night and it still looks something of a mess. There's little there that is going to appeal to the casual viewer who isn't interested in Coronation Street.

     

    What would be interesting would be to get a breakdown of the audience profile, figures which are compiled by BARB but which are only available to paying subscribers. If most of the viewers fall into the correct demographic then the BBC might give the programme another chance later in the year. 7.30pm is probably the ideal time (in fact probably the only time on a Friday night) to broadcast the show but putting the programme up against Corrie is always going to lead to lower viewing figures, at least among those who watch the programme live rather than on catchup. Again, a breakdown of the age groups of those who watch the programme on catch-up would be interesting, as will be the final viewing figure when that is available in a fortnight.

    ·

    Edited by Robbie

    What would happen if two songs entered the chart with exactly the same "sales"? How do they decide a tie for new entries?
    It happened back in 2010 (prior to the inclusion of streaming data) when tracks from The Beatles became available to download from iTunes. Two titles shared the same sales and from the limited information available the tie-breaker was the titles (both new entries) being placed in alphabetical order:

     

    UK Singles Chart w/e 27/11/10

     

    118 Blackbird 2019

    119 I Am The Walrus 2019

     

    I don't know how the OCC apply the rules for new entries with equivalent download and streaming sales but it wouldn't surprise me if the same rule was applied if it was an exact tie, though I'd imagine with streaming sales the use of decimal points would be easier to use as a tiebreaker (with total sales being rounded to the nearest whole figure) unless two or more titles really did have the exact same download sales and total streams... and of course back in the days of physical sales the tie-breaker for new entries was more straightforward due to the way overall sales were calculated.

    Absolutely made up for Scott, they should have given him the show years ago! And a full 3hrs too. As for Dance Anthems, if it's meant to herald the weekend schedule , and the weekend now starts on Friday, wouldst that mean it would be on Thursday evening now?

    That's also an interesting list to see Scott will be the oldest incoming presenter, I guess Fluff would be the oldest for an outgoing one, and wasn't SImon Bates only ever cover rather than permanent.

    Simon Bates was cover for Tom Browne but when Browne left the (as it was then) Top 20 countdown in March 1978 Bates took over full time and remained presenter until around September 1979 when Tony Blackburn replaced him on what had become by then the Top 40 countdown. Bates returned to present the charts in 1984.

     

    So it's back to 3 hours for the chart countdown as I'm assuming Newsbeat will no longer air on a Friday? The requirement of Radio 1 is to broadcst the programme during its weekday schedules so if the weekend schedules now start on a Friday morning I'm wondering if the news will be dropped other than perhaps a quick recap of the headlines?

    ·

    Edited by Robbie

    Has anybody got the current video streaming chart or YouTube chart to help us see if this would actually be the case?
    I've got the current Vevo Streaming chart that is in the current issue of Music Week. The YouTube video chart should be obtainable from the YouTube website but I can't remember how to view it. Apologies for the poor formatting but it's a copy and paste job.

     

     

    United Kingdom Top 20

     

    1 Drake

    God’s Plan

     

    2 Post Malone Ft. Ty Dolla $ign

    Psycho

     

    3Justin Timberlake Ft. Chris Stapleton

    Say Something

     

    4 Migos Ft. Drake

    Walk It Talk It

     

    5 Taylor Swift

    Delicate

     

    6 Yxng Bane

    Vroom

     

    7George Ezra

    Paradise

     

    8 Jax Jones Ft. Ina Wroldsen

    Breathe

     

    9 Sigala Ft. Paloma Faith

    Lullaby

     

    10 Camila Cabello Ft. Young Thug

    Havana (Audio)

     

    11 Logic Ft. Alessia Cara, Khalid

    1-800-273-8255

     

    12 Sigrid

    Strangers

     

    13 Sam Smith

    Too Good At Goodbyes

     

    14 Rich The Kid

    Plug Walk

     

    15 21 Savage, Offset, Metro Boomin

    Ric Flair Drip

     

    16 Mabel Ft. Not3s

    Fine Line

     

    17 Luis Fonsi Ft. Daddy Yankee

    Despacito

     

    18 Luis Fonsi Ft. Demi Lovato

    Échame La Culpa

     

    19 Kendrick Lamar Ft. SZA

    All The Stars

     

    20 Auli’I Cravalho

    How Far I’ll Go (From Moana)

    It sounds like a rather underwhelming relaunch with the main certifications staying the same while acknowledging that albums sell fewer copies these days by introducing a "starter" award for up and coming acts and artists. The BPI should have either put up the threshold for singles certifications back to pre-1989 levels or introduced a "millionaire" certification for sales and streams.

    Yeah 6Music plays quite a diverse mix of music, sometime there are songs on the playlist that I could do without but you do hear some complete tunes during the daytime. They played Bizarre Inc. “Playing With Knives” the other day!
    It's still an excellent record but it's a sobering thought to think it's now 27 years ago since the track was first released...

     

    ·

    Edited by Robbie

    The OCC do allow album and ticket packages but to ensure fairness - and to prevent the exact same situation that happens on the Billboard albums chart from occurring - the OCC insist that the bundle must cost more than the standalone ticket. It's in the Album chart rules:

     

    8.1 Album & Ticket Packages

     

    Albums may be bundled with tickets provided each component is also available to buy individually. Album & Ticket bundles must have a greater retail value than the standalone ticket.

     

    Access to a ticket pre-sale will be allowed with an album pre-order provided the album pre-order does not guarantee a ticket to the consumer.

     

    Pre-sale ticket allocation may not be dependent upon the pre-order of an album. A customer not wishing to pre-order an album must be given equal opportunity to access the ticket pre-sale.

    The one thing the chart rules don't make clear is how much extra above the price of the standalone ticket the bundle should cost. As above the rules merely state "Album & Ticket bundles must have a greater retail value than the standalone ticket". I'm sure charging 1p more would go against the spirit of the chart rules. But I can't work out if the rules on minimum pricing for albums apply to albums sold as part of a bundle. Those minimum pricing rules are meant for conventional album releases.

    ·

    Edited by Robbie

    https://thevinylfactory.com/news/record-sho...k-figures-2016/

     

    So it must be a while now since it was as low as 4,000. But that's an amazing increase isn't it?

     

    It was Outhere Brothers "Boom Boom Boom" that supposedly sold more than it shipped - but that's only based on an off-the-cuff remark quoted in Music Week. We don't even know if it's true.

     

    Does a record label have to prove they have shipped x amount before BPI can certify? I might do some digging on records that only just crept over the 200/400/600k sales lines (according to the original figures) in 94-96 and see whether they were certified or not. Maybe if CIN said they'd sold that many that was enough proof though. I wonder.

    The 4,000 sample size is mentioned as far back as the first PDF version Music Week which was 6 October 2007 and it probably goes back a lot longer than that but all my pre-October 2007 paper copies of the magazine aren't to hand. The 4,000 figure only changed to 15,000 in January 2016.

     

    I've got a copy of the BARD (now ERA) Yearbook 2009 and the amount of retailers selling music in 2008 was 5,187 which was up from 5,026 in 2007 but the yearbook explains that the increase was largely down to Blockbusters starting to sell CDs in all their stores. The amount of music retailers in 2005 had been 5,621. It's a big leap to 15,000 so I assume it either includes retailers who stock a handful of CD titles or perhaps some of them are retailers who sell games or DVDs only?

     

    The certification process was that the label would self-certify sales and the BPI took them on their word. I used to think it was properly audited (i.e. there had to be proof provided) but MFR once posted that it was largely down to trust and in fact as the 2000s progressed most labels didn't even bother to apply for certification awards which is why the automatic certification scheme was launched.

    Thanks, I think I get what you're saying there.

     

    So the only other option was to attempt to work out a more realistic multiplier for the panel sales for that period. That wouldn't be easy - especially as some people were saying in the old Haven thread that it probably should have been adjusted several times during 1995.

     

    Perhaps if they worked with labels on some of the biggest records for the period - for instance the mentioned example of the Outhere Brothers "Boom Boom Boom". Maybe some labels will be able to confirm exactly how many physical copies were shipped, and the more of that data you could collect the easier it would be to work out what the multiplier should've been. Or maybe all the figures would contradict each other and it'd be impossible!

     

    I suppose it would take a lot of time and effort by OCC. It really annoys me though as a charg geek, especially as 94-96 is pretty much my personal golden era for pop!

    I don't know why the OCC didn't iron out these problems sooner than they did. I understand that they weren't sampling anywhere near 100% in 1994 and 1995 (but were moving close to 100% by mid 1996) but they could have abandoned the chart panel method sooner without compromising the calculation for total market sales. Was it 'Baby Come Back' by Pato Banton that was calculated under the chart panel method to have sold much more copies that were actually shipped by the record company?

     

    Incidentally the sample of stores is now over 15,000 per week and the Singles and Album charts in Music Week now carry the following:

     

    The Official UK Singles & Albums Charts are compiled by the Official Charts Company, based on a sample of more than 15,000 physical and digital outlets. They count actual sales and audio streams from last Friday to Thursday, based on sales of downloads, CDs, vinyl and other physical formats and weighted audio streams (for albums it reads: and audio streams weighted using SEA2 methodology).

     

    Previously the sample was a mere 4,000 stores until just a few years ago. I wonder what % of the 15,000 outlets are streaming sites? For Singles most audio streams, in fact most sales, are from Spotify and Amazon so the OCC sample a lot of stores for very little return in terms of sales data.

     

    ·

    Edited by Robbie

    I've got this one that was posted at Dotmusic in 2003. Could it be the Hit Music version?

     

    BEST SELLERS OF THE 1990s

     

    1 Something About The Way You Look Tonight/Candle In The Wind 1997 - Elton John 1997 4,864,000

    2 Unchained Melody/White Cliffs Of Dover - Robson Green and Jerome Flynn 1995 1,843,000

    3 Love Is All Around - Wet Wet Wet 1994 1,783,000

    4 Barbie Girl - Aqua 1997 1,722,000

    5 Believe - Cher 1998 1,672,000

    6 Perfect Day - Various 1997 1,540,000

    7 (Everything I Do) I Do It For You - Bryan Adams 1991 1,527,000

    8 Baby One More Time - Britney Spears 1999 1,445,300

    9 I'll Be Missing You - Puff Daddy and Faith Evans 1997 1,375,000

    10 I Will Always Love You - Whitney Houston 1992 1,355,000

    11 My Heart Will Go On - Celine Dion 1998 1,302,000

    12 Wannabe -Spice Girls 1996 1,269,000

    13 Killing Me Softly - Fugees 1996 1,268,000

    14 Never Ever - All Saints 1997 1,254,000

    15 Gangsta's Paradise - Coolio feat. L.V. 1995 1,245,000

    16 Think Twice - Celine Dion 1994 1,234,000

    17 Heartbeat / Tragedy - Steps 1998 1,148,900

    18 It's Like That - Run DMC with Jason Nevins 1998 1,119,905 (includes import versions. Non-import version about 1.09 million)

    19 Teletubbies Say Eh-Oh! - Teletubbies 1997 1,103,000

    20 Spaceman - Babylon Zoo 1996 1,098,000

    21 Saturday Night - Whigfield 1994 1,092,000

    22 I Believe / Up On The Roof - Robson Green and Jerome Flynn 1995 1,090,000

    23 No Matter What - Boyzone 1998 1,074,000

    24 2 Become 1 - Spice Girls 1996 1,072,000

    25 Earth Song - Michael Jackson 1995 1,030,000

    26 Blue (Da Ba Dee) - Eiffel 65 1999 992,000 (includes import versions. Non-import version sold 956,100 to end of 1999)

    27 Torn - Natalie Imbruglia 1997 970,000

    28 Back For Good - Take That 1995 959,000

    29 Bohemian Rhapsody/These Are The Days Of Our Lives - Queen 1991 940,000

    30 Say You'll Be There - Spice Girls 1996 930,000

    31 Wonderwall - Oasis 1995 920,000

    32 Stay Another Day - East 17 1994 910,000

    33 Men In Black - Will Smith 1997 883,000

    34 Mambo No.5 - Lou Bega 1999 880,000 (includes import versions. Non-import version sold 850,200 to end of 1999)

    35 Missing - Everything But The Girl 1994 870,000

    36 The Millennium Prayer - Cliff Richard 1999 860,900

    37 Chocolate Salty Balls (PS I Love You) - Chef 1998 850,900

    38 Cest La Vie - B*Witched 1998 850,500

    39 Unchained Melody - Righteous Brothers 1990 840,000

    40 Return Of The Mack - Mark Morrison 1996 837,000

    41 Dont Speak - No Doubt 1997 834,000

    42 Goodbye - Spice Girls 1998 833,500

    43 Angels - Robbie Williams 1997 828,000

    44 Father And Son Boyzone 1995 828,000 (Music Week 29-08-1998)

    45 9PM (Till I Come) - ATB 1999 810,000 (includes import versions. Non-import version sold 791,500 to end of 1999)

    46 Spice Up Your Life - Spice Girls 1997 800,000

    47 Ooh Aah Just A Little Bit - Gina G 1996 790,000

    48 Three Lions - Baddiel/Skinner/Lightning Seeds 1996 785,000

    49 Fairground - Simply Red 1995 783,000

    50 Tubthumping - Chumbawamba 1997 780,000

    51 Livin La Vida Loca - Ricky Martin 1999 775,700

    52 Un-break My Heart - Toni Braxton 1996 770,000

    53 Children - Robert Miles 1996 770,000

    54 Cotton Eye Joe - Rednex 1994 764,000

    55 That Don't Impress Me Much - Shania Twain 1999 763,000

    56 I'd Do Anything For Love (But I Won't Do That) - Meat Loaf 1993 761,200

    57 Mysterious Girl - Peter Andre 1995 750,000

    58 Baby Come Back - Pato Banton 1994 750,000

    59 Together Again - Janet Jackson 1997 741,000

    60 Don't Look Back In Anger - Oasis 1996 730,000

    61 How Do I Live? - LeAnn Rimes 1998 713,900

    62 You Are Not Alone - Michael Jackson 1995 712,000

    63 MMMBop - Hanson 1997 712,000

    64 Breathe - Prodigy 1996 709,000

    65 D'You Know What I Mean - Oasis 1997 707,000

    66 Sweet Like Chocolate - Shanks & Bigfoot 1999 706,700

    67 I Swear - All 4 One 1994 700,000

    68 Ghetto Supastar (That Is What You Are) - Pras Michel 1998 680,000

    69 Flat Beat - Mr. Oizo 1999 678,000

    70 I'll Be There For You - Rembrandts 1995 676,000

    71 I Believe I Can Fly - R Kelly 1997 673,000

    72 When The Going Gets Tough - Boyzone 1999 671,400

    73 Nothing Compares 2 U - Sinead OConnor 1990 670,000

    74 How Deep Is Your Love - Take That 1996 670,000

    75 Mama/Who Do You Think You Are - Spice Girls 1997 660,000

    76 Truly Madly Deeply - Savage Garden 1998 657,500

    77 Too Much - Spice Girls 1997 657,000

    78 Boom Boom Boom - Outhere Brothers 1995 650,000

    79 Sacrifice / Healing Hands - Elton John 1990 650,000

    80 Music Sounds Better With You - Stardust 1998 644,000

    81 Country House - Blur 1995 640,000

    82 When You're Gone - Bryan Adams feat. Melanie C 1998 635,300

    83 3 Lions 98 - Baddiel/Skinner/Lightning Seeds 1998 624,000 (Music Week 15-06-2002 624,000. 619,000 in 1998)

    84 Bring It All Back - S Club 7 1999 623,600

    85 Viva Forever - Spice Girls 1998 623,000

    86 Don't Stop (Wiggle Wiggle) - Outhere Brothers 1995 620,000

    87 Genie In A Bottle - Christina Aguilera 1999 608,100 (includes import versions. Non-import version sold 595,100 to end of 1999)

    88 Better Off Alone - Alice Deejay 1999 606,400

    89 (I Cant Help) Falling In Love With You - UB40 1993 606,000

    90 All That She Wants - Ace Of Base 1993 603,900

    91 I Wanna Be The Only One - Eternal 1997 600,000

    92 Perfect Moment - Martine McCutcheon 1999 592,600

    93 Doctor Jones - Aqua 1998 591,000

    94 Ice Ice Baby - Vanilla Ice 1990 590,000

    95 Rhythm Is A Dancer - Snap 1992 582,700

    96 Boom, Boom, Boom, Boom!! - Vengaboys 1999 578,900

    97 Mr. Blobby - Mr. Blobby 1993 576,000

    98 I Don't Want To Miss A Thing Aerosmith 1998 572,000

    99 Things Can Only Get Better - D:ream 1993 570,000

    100 Would I Lie To You - Charles and Eddie 1992 570,000

    Another fact to add: the number 1 single on the Airplay Chart 10 years ago this week was 'Chasing Pavements' by Adele on its second week at the top. For a bit of nostalgia the top 10 ten years ago this week was was:

     

    This Last Wks Sales Artist Title Total Plays Total Aud.%

    wk wk chart Chart Label Plays %+or- Aud.(m) +or

     

    1 1 5 2 Adele Chasing Pavements 1585 19.8 66.01 14.11

    XL

    2 2 8 8 Scouting For Girls Elvis Ain’t Dead 1453 11.09 62.81 17.2

    Epic

    3 3 5 The Feeling I Thought It Was Over 1187 4.86 51.64 4.03

    Island

    4 6 5 26 Kylie Minogue Wow 1500 9.57 48.24 19.47

    Parlophone

    5 30 3 22 David Jordan Sun Goes Down 352 47.9 46.16 132.66

    Mercury

    6 9 15 13 Timbaland Presents One Republic Apologize 1945 0.46 43.57 18.56

    Interscope

    7 5 11 20 Girls Aloud Call The Shots 1539 -2.41 43.13 -6.48

    Fascination

    8 10 3 4 Rihanna Don’t Stop The Music 1348 0.9 41.77 16.29

    Def Jam

    9 8 6 7 Kelly Rowland Work 1403 0.65 41.67 4.65

    RCA

    10 13 17 17 Take That Rule The World 1578 -8.26 35.32 9.15

    Polydor

     

    'Chasing Pavements' was also the 5th most played single on Radio 1 (number 1 was 'Superstar' by Lupe Fiasco') and also 5th on Radio 2 (number 1 was 'That's How People Grow Up' by Morrissey).

    Yeah, it seems like it's going to be a repackage of the 30th anniversary edition (which came out when the actual anniversary was) but I thought I'd chance my arm and order it at that price.
    That's a strange repackaging as the 30th anniversary of the release of the album was in 2005.

     

    Shake That was released in 2006 wasn't it and disqualified from the chart when it was released?
    Was it given a physical release at the time? I can't find one so if it was download only it wouldn't have been eligible to chart under the then current chart rules.

     

    On the Download Singles chart it peaked at number 28. Its chart run on that chart was:

     

    5 Apr 2006 28 Shake That

     

    159-107-70-52-28-46-60-55-72-86-106-127--> 12 Wks

     

    I’m struggling to see why it matters which one sold more when tbh. They’re both unarguably massive hits.
    Indeed. And 'Barbie Girl' has a novelty value too so attracted sales from casual singles buyers in a way that the Spice Girls were, by that point, no longer able to attract.

     

    I can still remember 'Barbie Girl' being played as a pre-release for weeks on the music video channels. By the time the record came out it was obvious it was going to be a massive hit.

     

    Wasn't 'Spice Up Your Life' released when the Spice Girls were going through a bit of a difficult period with a lot of negative press? Certainly by the time 'Stop' was released a few months later the negative press was having a big effect on their sales. But the girls managed to pull it around by releasing what is (to me) their best single, 'Viva Forever' - I still love that track. That track seemed to have a positive effect on their chart fortunes and sales but their time as a group was numbered by then and they would only have two more hits while they were in their prime.

    ·

    Edited by Robbie

    Odd that "Lose Yourself" is listed as 2004, it was 2002! "Just Lose It" was 2004 of the "lose" singles.
    It looks like the OCC are using the release date of 14/11/04 as the release date for 'Lose Yourself'. That date (14/11/04) is the first date that all digital releases of singles / tracks in the BPI database are dated from, regardless of when the single was originally released, assuming the track was available to download on that date. The BPI database does list 14/11/04 as its date of release. However all other singles released by Eminem prior to that date in the BPI database show the correct date when they were released as singles. I can only assume that the release year in the main ISRC (digital barcode) number that links all sales of the track has 04 in its code as the year of release.

    Mirrors :puke: :puke: Whine!!

     

    Remember the mainstream media telling us he would be bigger than Michael Jackson, to get on board and buy buy buy, then quietly shutting up after like two songs? :lol: :rofl:

     

    Tbf his early songs are much better, but the sales are totally messed up now with streaming. Massive 2003 tracks have tiiiny sales as cd sales had, rightfully, collapsed as people realised what a rip single cds were - sometimes 4.99 :o

    JT has had something of a stop start solo career. Not only has his music often taken a back seat to his acting career but he has possibly collaborated far too often with other acts to the detriment of furthering his own career as a standalone solo artist.