Robbie

I'm not 100% certain but I'd imagine they will be. Programmes that are restricted in length on the iPlayer are usually marked with a short expiry date.

I don't know if this has been mentioned in this thread but Saturday sees the 50th anniversary of Radio 1. To mark the occasion, there is a special pop-up station called Radio 1 Vintage which will be on air from Saturday to Monday. https://radiotoday.co.uk/2017/06/radio-1-vi...th-anniversary/ The schedules are at http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p059cwkn/e...es/guide?page=2 http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p059cwkn/episodes/guide At 6pm on Sunday we have "The Best Of The Official Chart" http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p059kqx0

As I (and others) have posted, the new rules shouldn't be applied to tracks in the top 10. Had Dua Lipa sold about 1,000 fewer copies last week she wouldn't be at number 2 this week. Instead the track would have been on ACR and would have fallen out of the top 5 on Friday. The performance of a top 10 track shouldn't be judged against the market as a whole since most streaming sales are from tracks outside the top 10 (indeed, they are from tracks outside the top 100).

Unless my maths isn't as good as it once was, Dua Lipa has avoided going to ACR this coming week. Last week she sold 41,413 copies, this week she has sold 40,505, a decrease of 2.2% which is less than the decline in overall market sales of 4.8%. If I've understood the chart rules correctly she will now have at least another 2 weeks at SCR before ACR kicks in.

Or just simple programming. It's Millward Brown who compile the charts and I doubt it would be difficult for them to write this into their database. I would go for something more dramatic though, keep the top 10 on SCR and then increase the ratio to 300:1 (11-20), 500:1 (21-40) and then 1,000: 1 for the rest of the top 100. It would certainly help remove the deadwood, epecially at the lower reaches of the chart and would help increase turnover.

It would but at least it won't make a sudden drop from the top 5. All that is happening at present is tracks dropping from the top 5 to the mid teens and then slowly drifting down the charts. They'd still do the latter but at least they'd be out of the top 10 when they start doing that.

I hope so, even if it's just to stop a track that is in the top 10 from going to ACR. The current rules are making a mockery of the chart.

In which case this is the sales week where it will be on its 3rd week of decline and as danG has posted it will be the next sales week where it moves to ACR which will be the chart announced on Friday 22 September.

The BPI have mananged to take a slightly less than friendly user interface for their certifications database and turn it into a total mess with the new website... Whoever designed the website and the certifications database needs sacking.

It should have gone ACR the week it fell from number 52 to number 98. That was its 10th week in the top 100 and it had been in decline for at least three weeks at week 9. It looks like it has had what the OCC term a "manual reset" to go back to SCR, which would be the point at which it climbed from 94 to 59. However if this is the case - and it certainly appears to be so unless it had a sudden natural sales growth of at least 51.84% that week (outperforming the market by 50% or more and the market grew that week by 1.84%) - then the OCC are not even following their own chart rule on manual resets. That rule says: 6.3 Resets i) Automatic Reset – a track on ACR can automatically return to SCR if its combined sales and stream total increases by 50% greater than the market change week on week. ii) Manual Reset – In exceptional circumstances, where a track is being scheduled for promotion, a label may elect to manually reset a track to SCR. This manual reset is limited to two tracks per artist album, only where the track in question is outside the Top 100 and subject to one week’s notice being given from the releasing label that they wish to implement a manual reset. Manual reset shall be strictly subject to Official Charts and CSC approval. For 6.3 (ii) to apply the track must be outside the top 100 when the manual reset request is made. In this case 'Swish Swish' wasn't unless for this particular rule the "top 100" is the for-industry-eyes-only Top 200 which doesn't apply the ACR rule (nor does it restrict acts to the 3 track rule). On that version of the chart 'Swish Swish' would definitely have been outside the top 100. But if that is the case it just causes confusion as all other references to the top 100 in the Singles Chart Rules refer to the official, published top 100 that is available to view at the OCC website. Possibly it did experience natural and accelerated growth when it made that big jump back up the chart, which would automatically reset it to SCR. But the fact it then just climbed one place the following week suggests this may not be the case.

The new version of the chart rules states that to get a manual reset a track needs to be outside the top 100 when the label makes the request to the OCC for a reset (and a week's notice needs to be given). I've just checked its chart run and it hasn't fallen from the top 100 at any point so far.

It's fifty percent more than how the overall market performs (i.e. if overall sales rose by 5% then ACR would be avoided by the track recording a 55% sales increase, if overall sales fell by 5% then the sales increase needed would be 45%).

Thanks for the playlists! An interesting one you or other posters might be interested in is one created by the OCC, which is every number 1 single since the first ever Singles chart back in November 1952 https://open.spotify.com/user/officialchart...s9xBPr5R4jEQjtw

An interesting thread but I've not heard of at least half of the acts featured here although that's probably because (so far in this countdown) all have had minor hits.

As it's down to 59p I've just bought 'New Rules' by Dua Lipa. It's the first download I've bought for almost 3 months and is only the third single I've bought this year. Compare that to a few years ago when I was buying two or three a week, that's what Spotify has done to me...

Unless 'Your Song' by Rita Ora records a sales increase this week, which is unlikely, it will hit ACR next week as it is on 2 weeks of decreasing sales.

The sales for 'The Power Of Love' that the OCC hold for 1994 would be a lot lower than 192k. Not only because the OCC product database only contains sales data collected by Millward Brown, which back in 1994 accounted for only about 70% of the singles market (the 192k figure is calculated using the old chart panel sales x multiplier method) but also the first two weeks sales of the single will be missing as MB only began to collect sales information from week 5, 1994 when the record climbed to number 4.

I agree with your thoughts on how to cap streams but when would the 10 streams kick in? The chart is based on weekly "sales" but what about someone who listens to a track, for example, 5 times in week 1, 3 times in week 2 and then once for the next two weeks? Those streams wouldn't count. But if someone was to listen to a track for 10 times in one week then they would count. Neither would really equate to the equivalent to a download but one would be spread over 4 weeks, the other would be in one week. As I posted, unless it was the second option then it would return the chart to almost being download based. At the moment the streams used are are an amalgamation of the various streamers who stream a track. Under a cap that wouldn't be possible as each account holder would have to be treated separately as it otherwise would be impossible to tell when the user had streamed their maximum contribution.

That would be the best solution but it would involve an even more convoluted set of chart rules the amount of streams an account holder at Spotify etc could contribute towards. When it was the old 100:1 ratio an account holder could only contribute a maximum of 0.7 of a sale in every week, with 0.1 sales per day maximum. The amount of streams per user would have to reduce to make it plausible for someone to contribute a sale in any one week - and most people wouldn't manage 10 per day / 70 a week. It would downplay streams to such an extent that the chart would once again become a download chart unless streams could be counted until the person had streamed enough to make it equivalent of one sale, which could take weeks, months or even years. Which would bring in problems of its own... the only way around that would be to reduce streams to something like 10 in a chart week to count (and then no more streams would count for the rest of all time). That would then make even more of a mockery of the chart as the ratio would be 10:1, an unrealistic figure.

I'd forgotten that 'You're The One That I Want' had been re-issued in 1998, 20 years after it was at number 1 in the charts. Back this week in 1978 the single had just passed a million sales - having been awarded a Platinum certification the previous week (which back then was for a million sales rather than 600,000) - with its weekly sales still well over 100,000 (with sales of 130,000 according to the sales figures in Record Business, the then alternative industry chart to the BBC / Music Week chart) as it continued its lengthy run at number 1. During its 9 week run at the top in 1978 it wouldn't have entered ACR and would only have done so the week it had fallen from the top, had ACR been applied to record sales back then (as there was no streaming, of course!)

Given when the 6 week experimental programme is likely to be broadcast it will fall slap bang in the middle of the big Quarter 4 album releases so I expect there will be a number of acts who would happily appear on the programme in order to promote whatever album they have just released, or are about to release.

The midweeks were a bit thin on the ground back then... this was the midweeks from Music Week from Tuesday 13 July 2004. Notice the lack of sales information... Shapeshifters and Morrissey battle for number one July 13th 2004 at 10:58AM Positiva look set to score their first number one since last year's Room 5 single Make Luv, with Shapeshifter's Lola's Theme selling outselling Morrissey's First Of The Gang To Die (Attack/Sanctuary) by more than two copies to one, early retail reports suggest. Morrissey's likely top three chart position, which follows the top three placing of comeback single Irish Blood, English Heart, continues the former Smiths frontman's most successful chart run in his 21-year recording career. Rachel Stevens is looking to experience a similar commercial rejuvenation, with her Sports Relief-backed single Some Girls (Universal) also vying for a top three placing. Jamelia (Parlophone), J-Kwon (LaFace) and Flip & Fill feat. Karen Parry (AATW) are also set to enter the chart's upper echelons, while Marillion are looking good for a second consecutive top 20 hit with Don't Hurt Yourself (Intact). In a seasonably slow album chart, the sole changes of note are likely to be trading of positions one and two, between Scissor Sisters (Polydor) and McFly (Universal). Damien Rice's O (DRM/14th Floor) is set to rise into the top ten for the first time in its 38-week chart spell, thanks largely to a rousing Glastonbury appearance and the success of the reissued single Cannonball. ================================================= And the sales at the end of the week were: SINGLES 51967 Shapeshifters 43000 Rachel Stevens 20000 Usher 19000 J-Kwon 18300 Jamelia 16800 Morrissey 9600 Flip & Fill (11) 4949 Snow Patrol (23) 2600 Nelly Furtado (40) 1300 Magnolia (55) ALBUMS 45000 Scissor Sisters 41000 Streets 35000 McFly 17345 Will Young (7) 15555 Eva Cassidy (11) COMPILATIONS 62310 Clubland 5 They were just as thin on the ground too... The number 1 Download in what were still then the unofficial and which were test charts by the OCC was 'Dry Your Eyes' by Streets. There was still another 7 weeks to go before the Download charts became official and nearly 9 months before download sales were incorporated into the main Official Singles chart.

I don't blame you Paul. It's now impossible to calculate sales given that there are now three measures of calculation in play: the first, the 100:1 ratio which is still used for certifications and official YTD sales, the 150:1 streams /sales ratio which is used for most tracks and now the 300:1 streams /sales ratio which is selectively used depending on whether a track is on ACR. It's something I wouldn't even like to estimate given the three measures, but thanks for doing the YTD sales over the years, it's been most appreciated.

ACR applies from the 10th week, not the 11th week... the exact rule is "Accelerated Chart Ratio cannot be applied to any product with fewer than 9 weeks on chart (ie. ACR can only be applied in its 10th week on the Top 100 chart, at the earliest).". (Singles chart rule 6.2). In other words, what happens on week 9 potentially determines whether on week 10 it attracts SCR or ACR.

I'm thinking another way of getting older tracks off the top 75 / 100 would be to change the ratio to 1000:1 for tracks once they are outside the top 40, as long as they had been top 40 hits to begin with. They are tracks that are being just played on playlists (as a whole). That would make room for newer songs that are are on the way up. It would be the streaming equivalent of the "sell off singles" rule that was introduced to the charts back in 2002, that was intended to remove singles that were yo-yoing around the bottom end of the chart because they'd been placed in the bargain bins in Woolies, Asda etc. It would help tracks get more momentum with the possibility of getting into the top 40 and then get higher up the chart.