Robbie

64,000 so far this week!

I'm guessing about 115k

Possibly about 1997 when the singles market was last at its peak. Perhaps even 1998 when overall market sales were still high but sales needed to reach the top 5, top 10, top 20 etc started to decline.

Do you mean sales week ending 15/01/83 (chart dated 22/01/83) or the chart dated 15/01/83? If the latter the sales week is 03/01/83 to 08/01/83, the first sales week of 1983.

I agree that it looks strange that the top 21 has remained static. The top 100 that you have, with 'Victims' at number 98 must be the Music Week version though. I have a copy of that top 100 and saved it from a website (now sadly long gone and I've long forgotten its name) that posted all the official year end charts from 1970 to 1999. The website listed both the original year end charts as broadcast on Radio 1 / published in Record Mirror (back when there was an early to mid December cut off) along with a separate list of revised year end charts that later appeared in, I presume, Music Week. The website existed in the early 00s and vanished sometime around 2004 or 2005. This particular website was probably the source of the chart Gezza refers to in his above post (post #22). All the other revised charts from the 70s and 80s at that website seem correct so it's a puzzle where the 1983 chart comes from if it is an incorrect chart.

I can't find the original post but this is what I copied. All comments and observations are from MFR: ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ This is the full-year singles chart for 1983, which I obtained from Record Mirror in early 1984. They supplied the top 105. 1 Karma Chameleon - Culture Club 2 Uptown Girl - Billy Joel 3 Red Red Wine - UB40 4 Let's Dance - David Bowie 5 Total Eclipse Of The Heart - Bonnie Tyler 6 True - Spandau Ballet 7 Down Under - Men At Work 8 Billie Jean - Michael Jackson 9. Only You - Flying Pickets 10. All Night Long (All Night) - Lionel Richie 11. Sweet Dreams (Are Made Of This) - Eurythmics 12. You Can’t Hurry Love - Phil Collins 13. Too Shy - Kajagoogoo 14. Wherever I Lay My Hat (That's My Home) - Paul Young 15. Love Of The Common People - Paul Young 16. Every Breath You Take - Police 17. Is There Something I Should Know? - Duran Duran 18. Blue Monday - New Order 19. Give It Up - K.C. & The Sunshine Band 20. I.O.U. -Freeez 21. Baby Jane - Rod Stewart 22. Say Say Say - Paul McCartney & Michael Jackson 23. They Don’t Know - Tracey Ullman 24. Tonight I Celebrate My Love - Roberta Flack & Peabo Bryson 25. Words - F.R. David 26. Bad Boys - Wham! 27. Flashdance…What A Feeling - Irene Cara 28. New Song - Howard Jones 29. Moonlight Shadow - Mike Oldfield 30. My Oh My - Slade 31. Sign Of The Times - Belle Stars 32. Hold Me Now - The Thompson Twins 33. Candy Girl - New Edition 34. Temptation - Heaven 17 35. Cry Just A Little Bit - Shakin’ Stevens 36. Church Of The Poison Mind - Culture Club 37. Electric Avenue - Eddy Grant 38. Mama - Genesis 39. Beat It - Michael Jackson 40. Double Dutch - Malcolm Mclaren 41. Africa - Toto 42. Club Tropicana - Wham! 43. (Keep Feeling) Fascination - Human League 44. Gold - Spandau Ballet 45. Modern Love - David Bowie 46. Let’s Stay Together - Tina Turner 47. Come Back And Stay - Paul Young 48. Victims - Culture Club 49. I’m Still Standing - Elton John 50. (Hey You) The Rocksteady Crew - The Rocksteady Crew 51. The Story Of The Blues - Wah! 52. Up Where We Belong - Joe Cocker & Jennifer Warnes 53. Nobody’s Diary - Yazoo 54. Dancing Tight - Galaxy 55. Rock The Boat - Forrest 56. The Safety Dance - Men Without Hats 57. Union Of The Snake - Duran Duran 58. Who’s That Girl - Eurythmics 59. Wings Of A Dove - Madness 60. Can’t Get Used To Losing You - The Beat 61. Change - Tears For Fears 62. Boxer Beat - Joboxers 63. Come Live With Me - Heaven 17 64. Walking In The Rain - Modern Romance 65. Dear Prudence - Siouxsie & The Banshees 66. Speak Like A Child - The Style Council 67. Long Hot Summer / Paris Match - The Style Council 68. Islands In The Stream - Kenny Rogers & Dolly Parton 69. Breakaway - Tracey Ullman 70. La Dolce Vita - Ryan Paris 71. Calling Your Name - Marilyn 72. Tell Her About It - Billy Joel 73. Superman (Gioca Jouer) - Black Lace 74. Na Na Hey Hey Kiss Him Goodbye - Bananarama 75. Buffalo Soldier - Bob Marley & The Wailers 76. I Guess That’s Why They Call It The Blues - Elton John 77. Thriller - Michael Jackson 78. China Girl - David Bowie 79. In Your Eyes - George Benson 80. Puss ‘N’ Boots - Adam Ant 81. Gloria - Laura Branigan 82. Wham Rap - Wham! 83. Love On Your Side - The Thompson Twins 84. The Sun Goes Down (Living It Up) - Level 42 85. Everything Counts - Depeche Mode 86. The Crown - Gary Byrd & The G.B. Experience 87. Never Never - The Assembly 88. Oh Diane - Fleetwood Mac 89. The Love Cats - The Cure 90. Rockit - Herbie Hancock 91. Chance - Big Country 92. Rip It Up - Orange Juice 93. This Is Not A Love Song - Public Image Ltd 94. Please Don't Fall In Love - Cliff Richard 95. Our Lips Are Sealed - The Fun Boy Three 96. What Am I Gonna Do - Rod Stewart 97. Marguerita Time - Status Quo 98. Pale Shelter - Tears For Fears 99. Steppin’ Out - Joe Jackson 100. The Sun And The Rain - Madness 101. Waiting For A Train - Flash & The Pan 102. War Baby - Tom Robinson 103. We Are Detective - The Thompson Twins 104. What Is Love? - Howard Jones 105. Move Over Darling - Tracey Ullman The newcomers to this chart, relative to the earlier version, are Kenny Rogers & Dolly Parton (68), Billy Joel (72), Michael Jackson (77), Cliff Richard (94) and Status Quo (97). The chart also see big gains for Slade (30), The Thompson Twins (32), Tina Turner (46) and Culture Club (48). The highest change sees Say Say Say by Paul McCartney and Michael Jackson overtaking They Don't Know by Tracey Ullman to take position 22. Numbers 24 and 25 also swap places. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- posted by mfr at Haven on 20/01/12

The revised 1983 chart that I have (copied from a post by MFR at Haven back in January 2012) has 'Victims' at number 48. The revised 1983 chart I have is a top 105 and was obtained by MFR from Record Mirror in early 1984 - I'm guessing here but I think he might mean he sent off for the chart rather than it being published in the magazine. The top 21 is the same as the chart you have that has 'Victims' at number 98. Below number 21 there is mainly just singles moving around one or two places but there are some significant differences: My Oh My #30 (#65 in the chart you have) Let's Stay Together #46 (#68) Tell Her About It #72 (-) Thriller #77 (-) Marguerita Time #97 (-)

I see what you mean about the possibility that the Gallup chart dated 07/01/84 is based on sales to 24/12/83 and not 31/12/83. It would explain why the chart of 14/01/84 had so many climbers and was rather volatile if in reality two weeks rather than one had passed since the last chart sales week. However I did a quick check: on the 07/01/84 chart 'A Rockin' Good Way' by Shaky and Bonnie is new at number 57, I checked to see if I could find a release date and at 45cat.com it lists the date of release as being 30 December 1983 which indicates it is a chart with sales to 31/12/83. http://www.45cat.com/record/a4071

The chart archive site is now back up once again http://scans.chartarchive.org/UK/

The OCC apparently only object to websites holding copyright data in a searchable database which allows full charts to be displayed. The OCC don't have a problem with websites that just list chart runs or peak positions. The chartarchive.org scan website contained scans of charts taken from Music Week (including Record Mirror, to whom Music Week own the copyright) and Launch so it would have been up to these publications to have made a complaint. I don't think it would have been something that the OCC would have got involved with.

That site is owned by the same person that owns Charts Stats. The links you see are adverts placed by the hosting company, they just lead to more links.

Thanks for this Dave. When you've finished posted the best selling lists up to 1969 would it be OK for me to post the lists at Haven? Along with a credit to yourself of course!

^ Notable in that edition of TOTP are: Two records at number 28 - joint chart positions were becoming rare by this point and this was the first for well over a year Legs & Co dancing to 'Rumour Has It' by Donna Summer - the performance has to be seen to be believed! Hilda Ogden anyone?!

The missing DLT episode which was skipped and otherwise would have been shown yesterday has thankfully been uploaded to vimeo.com (the uploader couldn't upload the episode to youtube or dailymotion as there was a rights issue with at least one of the songs). From 23/03/78, the episode in its entirety, recorded from UK Gold in the mid 90s when UK Gold used to broadcast old episodes of TOTP http://vimeo.com/62537656 It's notable as being the only episode of TOTP that broadcast the "white dress TOTP performance" of 'Wuthering Heights' by Kate Bush. The performance is hard to find and is seemingly only available on youtube as a TOTP2 clip from around 2001 but of course that clip is ruined by the TOTP graphics. 'Wuthering Heights' starts at 25:24.

The original version of 'Three Lions' by Baddiel, Skinner And The Lightning Seeds in 1996 fell to number 4 before returning to number 1: 1-2-2-4-2-1

and to be fair to Cohen, he did allow SUAD to sell the copies that had already been pressed up rather than insisting these copies be destroyed as doing the latter would have bankrupted the record label. I believe part of the agreement was that any profits from the single had to go to charity. Unfortunately for SUAD they didn't learn their lesson and continued to use samples on various tracks without obtaining clearance and the label did eventually go bankrupt due to legal wrangles with other record labels and lawyers.

I've read that they do this in the US but I've not heard of it happening anywhere else. I'd imagine the pre-order sales will still be included in total sales even when the album is released. It does mean that there is an element of double counting though, the pre-sales counting towards the singles chart then when the album is released the track is counted as being part of the album.

Official Chart rules change The Official Chart Supervisory Committee has passed a change to the chart rules governing instant grat single sales. Starting from this week, providing preagreed criteria are met, instant grat sales will be allowed to contribute to the Official Singles Chart, combined with the a la carte sales of the same single. In the past, only the a la carte sales were allowed to count. The rule change means that songs sold as album pre-order incentives on the likes of iTunes - as seen last month with David Bowie track Where Are We Now? - will now be counted towards the Official Singles Chart. The change was passed unanimously by the CSC committee which comprises retailers and labels and brings the UK’s Official Singles Chart in line with charts in most markets across the rest of the world. The rule comes into effect in Week 7, 2013 (w/c February 10) and will be reviewed periodically to assess its impact. from Music Week print edition 15/02/13

The Melody Maker EP charts were posted at ukmix a few years ago http://www.ukmix.org/forums/viewtopic.php?t=32038 They are about a third of the way down that page, posted by asm.

I've gone for September 2013...

I don't know about how Macklemore releases his music outside the UK but inside the UK 'Thrift Shop' is distributed by Arvato, a major distributor of digital and physical releases for a number of major record labels.

Unsigned acts have always been allowed to chart - if they sold enough records. It's just that back in the days of physical singles it was more difficult for an act to self release a single and then to distribute it to enough shops for it to sell enough for it to chart. But it has happened. Mark Joseph reached number 38 with 'Get Lucky' in March 2003 while he was an unsigned artist with a single that was self financed, self released (on his own Mark Joseph record label) and self distributed to a small handful of Virgin record stores throughout the country. He also wrote, produced and played every instrument on the single so it really was a one man show. It sold 3,000 copies the week it entered the chart. He also made the top 40 with three further singles while being an unsigned artist but these were released on a single by single deal with 14th Floor Records who also distributed the single.

Thanks for this Paul!

No chance with The Jam I'm afraid, two of the band (Paul Weller and Rick Buckler) haven't spoken in 30 years http://www.wokingnewsandmail.co.uk/?p=365

I've got the following which mainly lists sales for 'Mistletoe And Wine' but which also partly answers your question: 03/12/88: Mistletoe And Wine - 30,000 (#7) 10/12/88: Mistletoe And Wine - 130,000 17/12/88: Mistletoe And Wine - 160,000 Especially For You: 132,000 24/12/88: Mistletoe And Wine: 170,000 Alan Jones reported at the time that on the chart dated 24/12/88 'Mistletoe And Wine' significantly increased its lead at the top which means the maximum 'Especially For You' could have sold would be 142,000 and judging by his comments its likely to be below 140,000.