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    What was the name of the British Duo who had several US hits in the mid-late 60's though never charted over here at all?. I can't remember their name and its annoying me now lol!
    Chad (Stuart) and Jeremy (Clyde)? They even turned up in a couple of episodes of Batman in the 60s!

     

    Oh most definitely. I find myself playing a lot of the videos and by time I refresh the screen the countdown has moved on by about five videos. :lol: There have been some cracking UK no. 2 hits from over the last 50 years.
    and because I have Real Player on my computer I can begin to play a video and then download the video (in flash format) to my computer to play at another time!

     

    Top 5, hopefully. It's not a bad track and is far better than IDFLD which I never liked. That said, it doesn't seem to have a killer hook to it and hopefully there are far stronger tracks on the album that ultimately become singles that will sustain interest in the album beyond the first few weeks.

    I was well into disco and soul in the 70s and 80s and have quite a large amount of tracks on my computer which have been obtained from legal (ripping CDs, legal buying via downloading) and less than legal (from LimeWire and FrostWire back when I used them) means. I would guess I have over 1,000 disco tracks on my computer which range from the well known (Chic etc) to the slightly lesser known songs.

     

    I usually play the entire lot on random so I never know what is coming up next. For Evelyn King, her best track is her debut single 'Shame' when she was billed as Evelyn "Champagne" King at aged 16. It's a glorious record (I still own the 12" too) and gets a regular play on my computer. My favourite years for disco and soul is 1977 to 1985 (which is when I bought the most singles in any genre) with the best disco music concentrated in its peak years of 1977 to 1979.

    'Stop Crying Your Heart Out' was unlucky because it was released when Elvis Vs JXL was no. 1 and 'A Little Less Conversation' was a massive popular track with the buzz of World Cup 2002 surrounding it. A lot if it was down to hype but Oasis were never going to outsell Elvis Vs JXL. Iirc, 'SCYHO' spent two weeks at no. 2 which is very good for an Oasis track. Even 'The Hindu Times' tailed off faster despite topping the UK chart.

     

    Looking at my UK no. 1 sales, Oasis could've been no. 1 the week before 'A Little Less Conversation' was released. I'm sure it sold more than 62k in its first week of release.

     

    09.06.02 Will Young Light My Fire 62,000

    16.06.02 Elvis Vs JXL A Little Less Conversation 243,301

    SCYHO by Oasis sold 85,500 copies the week it entered at #2 (the only week it spent at #2, it fell to #4 the following week), some 48,000 short of EP at #1 but had the single been delayed for a week and sold the same amount it would have been #1 as EP sold less than 82,000 copies.

     

    SClubfan: I had a good look through all the old weekly sales I have and all I could find apart from those ones I had already given you was 92,000 for week two of Can't Fight The Moonlight. If I do come across any more I'll post them here but I don't think I do have any more...

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    8. Manchester United FA Cup Squad - Move Move Move (The Red Tribe)

    Where MUFC embraced 'rave'. I've never seen a less animated bunch of singers than the squad in this video.

    as if having another Man Utd song in the charts wasn't bad enough - and as far as football songs go this ranks up there with the worst of them - the actual football team had just displaced my beloved Newcastle at the top of the table after we had been 12 points clear at one time and it was this actual week in 1996 (April 29 to be exact) that Kevin Keegan cracked up live on Sky Sports in possibly one of the most saddest yet funniest (it was him wearing those headphones!) post match interviews ever to take place :( Fergie had managed to get to him...

     

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nW8p8xppxwA...feature=related

    1986 was the year I began to lose a lot of interest in following the charts. I'd already stopped buying Record Mirror on a regular basis the previous November and by now I wasn't even listening to the top 40 on a Sunday, though in part that was because I was working in a pub on a Sunday doing both the lunchtime shift (12pm to 2pm back then!) and then doing another shift on the evening (7pm to 10.30pm) so my chances to listen in were more limited as I spent a large part of when the top 40 was broadcasting travelling to the pub for the evening shift. That said, I did have one last spell of buying singles around April 1986 before more or less giving up for a while (until mid to late 1989) so I owned quite a few of the singles in this chart:

     

    1. George Michael - A Different Corner

    3. Janet Jackson - What Have You Done For Me Lately

    4. Madonna - Live To Tell

    9. Level 42 - Lessons In Love

    17. S.O.S Band - The Finest

    19. Patti Labelle & Michael McDonald - On My Own

    21. A-ha - Train Of Thought

    22. It's Immaterial - Driving Away From Home (Jim's Tune)

    23. Suzanne Vega - Marlene On The Wall

    25. Joyce Sims - All And All

    27. Big Audio Dynamite - E=Mc2

    31. Van Halen - Why Can't This Be Love

    34. Art Of Noise ft Duane Eddy - Peter Gunn

     

    That is probably the most top 40 singles I'd owned for quite some time but once these songs had dropped out of the chart I don't think I owned another top 40 single until With Or Without You by U2 almost a year later...

     

    I'd bought the Janet Jackson single off the back of hearing it on Channel 4's then new Friday early evening music show, The Chart Show. However I made the mistake of buying the 12" version which plodded on and on and on...

    The Jam were having a mini chart invasion after Polydor issued all of their back catalogue, each in a limited 20,000 run in their original picture sleeves.

     

    As well as the two singles they had in the top 40, Going Underground at #33 and In The City at #40 they had a further five singles inside the top 75: at #43 (All Around The World), #45 (Strange Town), #52 (Modern World), #53 (News Of The World) and#54 (David Watts). Alan Jones, in Record Mirror, listed their other chart appearances in the larger, industry only top 200 - #82 (Eton Rifles), #83 (When You're Young) and #97 (Down In The Tube Station At Midnight). This represented all of their singles releases to date. After they split in 1982 all of their back catalogue flooded back on to the charts once again and they placed 14 records inside the top 75.

    I owned the following...

     

    6. UB40 - King/Food For Thought

    7. Detroit Spinners - Working My Way Back To You - Forgive Me Girl

    14. Madness - Work Rest & Play (EP)

    24. Selecter - Missing Words

    26. Bodysnatchers - Let's Do Rock Steady

    33. Jam - Going Underground/Dreams Of Children

    38. New Musik - This World Of Water

    40. Jam - In The City

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    Thats exactly what Robbie said....why are u disagreeing?? :huh:
    I had to re-read what I'd posted as I thought that was what I had said but then thought perhaps I had posted something else by mistake!

     

    Unless flatdeejay means The Fame Monster is technically classed as an EP rather than an album in the US, they have different chart rules to the UK for what constitutes an EP but EP's over there are eligible for the album chart rather than the singles chart.

    The first two albums and accompanying singles from 1981 to 1985 were good but The Seeds Of Love comeback was awful. If it wasn't Beatles pastiches (the title track) it was just bland AOR and it was far too overproduced. They left it far too long between Songs From The Big Chair in 1985 and The Seeds Of Love in 1989 and lost any impetus they had.

    The pink one is very stupid. One new song but removing the 2 original bonus tracks? Crap!

    At least gaga did a whole new album worth of content which she could have charged much the same price for anyway. In america the rules are still different and monster charts separately (its sometimes called an ep) I think that's why a lot of people call it her second album (its her home country/biggest market after all) but essentially its fame 1.5

    It's because the new material on The Fame Monster was released in the US as an album in its own right and this qualified the new album for a chart placing in its own right. In addition a deluxe edition of The Fame Monster matching that of the UK was released at the same time and sales of this version were combined with the original.

     

    The first week sale was 50,000.

     

    The sales of the top 10 that week, 08/12/01, taken from the weekly chart sales post at dotmusic:

     

    (-) 1 109,000 Daniel Bedingfield - Gotta Get Thru This

    (1) 2 71,000 S Club 7 - Have You Ever

    (-) 3 52,000 PPK - Resurrection

    (-) 4 50,000 HearSay - Everybody

    (3) 5 33,000 Riva ft. Dannii Minogue - Who Do You Love Now

    (-) 6 31,000 Kate Winslet - What If

    (-) 7 27,000 Geri Halliwell - Calling

    (2) 8 26,000 Blue - If You Come Back

    (-) 9 23,000 Basement Jaxx - Where's Your Head At

    (4) 10 22,000 Westlife - Queen Of My Heart / When You're Looking Like That

    (-) 12 19,000 Oxide & Neutrino - Rap Dis

    The first episode was shown the day after JFK was shot so a lot of people missed it.
    It was repeated the following Saturday prior to the next episode being shown because of this.

     

    Shannon Sullivan's excellent "A Brief History Of Time (Travel)" website has the viewing figures for the original episode as being 4.4m with episode two as being 5.9m.

     

    http://www.shannonsullivan.com/drwho/serials/a.html

     

    http://www.shannonsullivan.com/drwho/

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    These do actually exist, the BPI books do contain them, but -

     

    1) You have to calculate them from 2 different tables in 2 different sections. As the figures in each table are rounded you get a significant margin of error.

     

    2) They date from the years when market estimates of retail sales were calculated by multipying panel sales totals by a 'multiplier' to give a best fit figure for the market. The multiplier used by the BPI statisticians is not the same as that used by the chart compilers, or the likes of Alan Jones, in every case (although often they are).

     

    If anyone is still interested, and maybe some will not know what I'm on about, I'll try to fish out the figures from my own notes.

    I wouldn't mind seeing the figures if that is possible. All I've ever seen from prior to 1997 are shipment figures so it would be good to see retail sales figures too, even if the figures aren't quite as accurate as those compiled from 1997 onwards (which I assume are based on total CIN/OCC DUS figures for each year).

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    Over the counter album sales pre 2000

     

    1997: 109,325,353

    1998: 121,452,693

    1999: 121,525,697

     

    then as Fiesta's figures from 2000

     

    Shipment figures are available at www.zobbel.de - click "Chart Analyses" from the left side menu then choose "UK Record Sales - Albums 1972-2007" from the right side menu.

     

    Shipments are always higher than over the counter sales as you can see from the singles "over the counter" sales compared to "shipments". The difference is usually a few million, but sometimes up to 10 million or more. For albums the difference up to 2007 was much, much bigger. This is because for albums the number of units shipped of each individual disc were counted so, for example, double albums were counted as two units shipped. So, for example, in 2004 at the height of album sales, 163,405,658 albums were sold at retail (ie over the counter) but 239,369,000 albums were shipped. From 2007 the BPI changed the way it counted shipments of albums to "packages" rather than units so, for example, a double album counted as one package. The BPI then backdated its album shipment measurements to 2000 using this new system and the 2004 shipment figure under the new measurement is 176,100,000. Again, actual retail sales are a better figure for the customer though the industry is still more concerned with actual shipments.

    That's fantastic, I'm putting that in a graph and it's fascinating to see the trend. Do you have any figures for further back?
    These are figures taken from www.zobbel.de and are shipments to the trade rather than over the counter sales:

     

    SINGLES

     

    1938: 6m

    1945: 10m

    1959: 60m

     

    1964: 64m

    1965: 56m

    1966: 46m

    1967: 46m

    1968: 44m

    1969: 41m

     

    1970: 41m

    1971: 43m

    1972: 46.2m

    1973: 54.6m

    1974: 62.7m

    1975: 56.9m

    1976: 56.9m

    1977: 62.1m

    1978: 88.8m

    1979: 89.1m

     

    1980: 77.9m

    1981: 77.4m

    1982: 78.6m

    1983: 74.0m

    1984: 77.0m

    1985: 73.8m

    1986: 67.5m

    1987: 63.413m

    1988: 60.118m

    1989: 61.114m

     

    1990: 58.858m

    1991: 56.302m

    1992: 52.921m

    1993: 56.276m

    1994: 63.049m

    1995: 70.711m

    1996: 78.264m

    1997: 87.021m

    1998: 79.373m

    1999: 80.059m

     

    2000: 66.080m

    2001: 59.532m

    2002: 52.532m

    2003: 36.425m

    2004: 31.435m (37.206m incl downloads)

    2005: 26.105m (53.209m incl downloads)

    2006: 71.500m

    2007: 89.300m

    2008: 116.900m

     

    Fiesta's figures are over the counter sales, a more accurate measure than shipments since some shipments can end up as returns.

     

    Over the counter sales pre 2000:

     

    1997: 77,613,520

    1998: 73,788,118

    1999: 71,001,136

     

    and Fiesta's figures continue on from 2000.

     

    There are no over the counter sales available from prior to 1997.

     

    In a way, sales from 2004 were even worse since the above figure includes downloads which weren't counted for chart purposes at the time. The amount of physical singles sold in 2004 was 26,495,153. This equates to the lowest annual sale since at least the 1950s.

    hi and welcome to the site :)

     

    personally im not sure which charts the bbc used, there are links to chart sites in 'resourses' .

    The BBC compiled their own chart up to February 1969, these are the charts that Dave has started to post in this thread though it could take quite a while to get to 1964!

    I remember the week well. It was a pretty good week weatherwise in Southern England. I believe Sounds also disappeared in April 1991. I used to enjoy their spoof on Piers Morgan, with a column called "Prize Moron"!! So many Music Papers gone now. It was in 1990, that Number One magazine was swallowed up by the BBC, which meant no one any longer printed the Network Top 75. Only a Top 50 via NME & Melody Maker.
    Sounds and Record Mirror were both published by the same company and both closed the same week. The company (Morgan Grampian) also published Music Week until it was sold a few years later. Record Mirror almost made a return in 1995 but the publishers decided to start an internet alternative called Dotmusic rather than bring back the magazine. It is from Dotmusic's forums (which closed in 2004) that Buzzjack and other forums descend...

     

    Cheers Dave!

     

    This week in 1991 was a sad week - the first week without my weekly fix of 'Record Mirror' as the magazine had folded the previous week. A sad time. I thought their "Stop Press" announcement buried at the back of the magazine the previous week that they were closing was an April Fool's joke and I waited for the next issue to arrive in my local newsagents...