Andy87

Basically the label can't handle the fact that Kelly doesn't want to be a puppet! When she voices her opinions they just get pissed off and don't seem to care. As ever! I wish she'd just leave them and get on a decent label. I Do Not Hook Up was quite a good single but they just didn't promote it very well and same with Already Gone. The AG thing also got all the attention with the Halo sound alike. It's a real shame because this is a great album.

I personally don't think a deserved #1 is a song being bought by people who dislike it just to prove a point. This poll shows people have done that with RATM. What a waste of money!

Yeah that's my point....both are as bad as each other. It's a bit hypocritical in my opinion.

I've got a feeling he won't catch up now. Maybe people will shut up moaning then. Or maybe Simon will merely arrange a few more signings, haha. Either way we will still have a Christmas #1 that got there merely because of the X Factor which does sort of defeat the objective :lol:

Also for that argument... Miley and Joe are different artists and a lot of songs chart differently because of the artist. In that sense, it gives more of a reason for a song to go from #11 to the Top 2 as someone else is doing it that #25 to the Top 2 with the exact same version. :P

Woo love it!

How random that this is even known! What do songs at 981 sell? :P

That's my feelings too. I dislike the X Factor taking away the chart battle and everything which made the Christmas number one a bit special but I'm not keen on the song choice or the way it's turned into more of a hate campaign. Christmas shouldn't be about that! I'd like us to have Christmas songs again. I actually think The X Factor could have done that really seeing as the debut single is usually forgotten after their second single.

Steve didnt enter at #1, he climbed to it if I remember correctly. Pity seeing as Joe is far more talented than the likes of Leon Jackson.

Joe as I think the other song is tripe even if his version aint as good as Miley's I adore his voice.

Hardly, I personally think it merely makes The X Factor look even bigger than it is. The fact is doesn't need to do anything to drive people to buy a song just because they're so annoyed by it!

Like any thing with figures you can spin it however you like. - Joe got 22% more votes than Olly did in the final vote count. That's the highest margin between runner up and winner that there has ever been. Even Leona didnt get quite so high, being 20% ahead of Ray. We could say this makes him the most popular winner. He has also been 15-25% ahead in all the final few weeks in terms of votes. (On the flip side, Steve Brookstein remains the winner who got most votes and look where he is...if you can find him.) - This year also has one of the highest number of votes. Dermot said 10 million last night compared to the 8 million votes cast in the year's Alex and Leona won. - It also had the highest viewing figures. Those using the Sunday argument - what about Strictly? That used to be split across two shows and people still compared the figures. Like I say....spinning it so they make their point seem more factual. I'm not saying it was better this year. The talent was better last year if I'm being honest. I think Diana, Laura, JLS, Alex...any of them could have won. But then again that year also had Daniel which brought it crashing to the ground. This year is by no means the worst as I can't name half the contestants from previous years. Joe is extremely talented and I think it's a bit stupid to say he's not unique or that he's too stage school - do we really need a mainstream pop winner each year? And surely Olly was less unique in that he is just another Robbie. Fine say the song is crap but it's hardly Joe's fault. He's 18 being controlled by Simon and living out his dream. Like someone already said - it's Christmas!! Why does everyone have to be so cynical and selfish? Oh yes sorry, I forgot this country likes to moan about EVERYTHING! Do people think the 29p Amazon offer will be attracting many away from iTunes?

It's 29p on Amazon.

Haha yeah. I think Sir Paul should have done 'Wonderful Christmas Time'. Is he anywhere on iTunes or are they all unavailable? I've not checked. *checks* I've got: 105 - Wonderful Christmas Time 187 - Live and Let Die Only me lovin' him then? I think the artists and the X Factor all know that nobody really likes the first single as it's always just added as an after thought/bonus track to their albums. You'd think Simon would jump on that and do something original. Only Shayne Ward has released one that isn't a cover.....and Michelle McManus if we count Pop Idol (Evergreen was a Westlife song). One of the reasons Girls Aloud got people to take notice was the fact that Sound of the Underground was not what you'd expect from those type of shows. That worked out well yet Simon's not taken note. Anyway.... The Climb 1 - Joe 28 - Miley 76 - Miley 153 - Miley

And 'Killing In The Name' reached #25 in the UK. It hasn't gotten any better either.

Well I'm happy Joe is #1. I think he has a fantastic voice and deserved to win the show. I hope he gets to Christmas #1 and enjoys it. He has a great talent and should be successful, even if it is only before the fickle bubble bursts. I find the whole RATM campaign a bit pathetic if I'm honest. Especially when a large chunk of people doing it watched The X Factor every week anyway. They do realise that this only supports the show yes? And that they're still giving money to Sony? The song isn't even good in my opinion. Ok, I think The X Factor should stop hogging the Christmas chart but this is all a bit silly. I know people who are downloading it that don't even like it! Whilst I think The Climb was the wrong song to pick, I actual do like it. Miley Cyrus does it better than both these guys but it's still a pretty decent song which people on here seemed to support a while back. Also, it wasn't written for her or for a Disney movie. It was offered to other artists first hence why it is no longer nominated for a Grammy. Why are all Disney songs crap may I add? Is everything Elton did for The Lion King also pure rubbish?

I believe she's someone who Taio Cruz and Will.I.Am reap with praise and who the nation generally adores. I'd hardly say it's her fault! Lol. I also nearly fell off my chair at the comment about her having no charisma and her career not lasting long. She's made it this far partly because of her personality and that spark that she is. She's a fantastic performer no matter what you think of her vocal ability. And not last long? Hello - she's already had a 7 year long music career! What a pathetic comment...about as deluded as calling Wordshaker a hit! What is with this thread????? Anyway back to something of actual relevance... Surprised Janet is nowhere. Did it do anything for MJ?

Shall we all post the same thing again?

And did you read my post before replying? It's listed under other charted songs. It's not listed with their actual singles. Also if you go to the Sound of the Underground page and click along through their releases, you will not see it. Hasn't this been solved already anyway? It gets stated then people continue to argue for both sides throwing back the exact same arguments in about 5 different posts. Get over it. Instead of doing this, I will just refer you back to my original reply - the last section.

No matter how much you argue the point, their core fans and the general public are never going to include 'St. Trinians' in the list of Girls Aloud releases. Pretty much every article about them and anything they feature on will continue to list them as having 20 consecutive Top 10s. Anyone going through Wikipedia for general information or any fansite or anything will not see 'St. Trinians' in their run. That's in the same way as if a random song from an artists album gets in the Top 75, people are hardly going to care or recognise it's existance. You can argue to facts of it being a song and in this day and age its a songs chart so everything counts yada yada yada, but that's only going to affect those who follow the chart closely....in general terms it will be Untouchable which breaks their consecutive run in most peoples eyes. Just to settle a stupid, old argument - both are right... - They had 20 consecutive Top 10 SINGLES - They had 17 consecutive Top 10 chart entries Either way they STILL have more than any UK girl group EVER! That record was secured ages ago!

Oh here we go again....

Woah! That's a lot closer than I imagined. With promotion this may have done really well then. Good to know.

Um...I'd expect both to be quite far ahead on downloads looking at the iTunes chart. Depends how close the girls are and if they Radio Mix continues to climb. I'm honestly shocked it's as high as #11. I'm quite pleased with that.

Yeah...it will struggled. Do prefer it to TLK though.

The BPI list is by shipments though.