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RAGE AGAINST THE MACHINE FOR XMAS NUMBER 1.

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One interesting point raised on a couple of other sites on the internet that I use:

 

If this was all the a scam to make Sony more money; then how come Syco feel the need to be forced to slash the price of the X-Factor single to 29p on sites like Tesco; Amazon; etc to defeat RATM in the chart battle?

 

Hence the RATM battle is going to cost Simon Cowell money via lost revenue due to the download being sold for 29p instead of 79p; because traditionally X-Factor winning singles have been sold at premium prices to raise the maximum amount of revenue.

:dance: this track rocks the lyrics are what make it a perfect campains against Cowells puppet.

 

Its everyone who isnt a sheep or a mindless clone saying F*CK YOU SIMON WE WONT DO WHAT U TELL US.

 

The others who support are under control poor little sheep.

One interesting point raised on a couple of other sites on the internet that I use:

 

If this was all the a scam to make Sony more money; then how come Syco feel the need to be forced to slash the price of the X-Factor single to 29p on sites like Tesco; Amazon; etc to defeat RATM in the chart battle?

 

Hence the RATM battle is going to cost Simon Cowell money via lost revenue due to the download being sold for 29p instead of 79p; because traditionally X-Factor winning singles have been sold at premium prices to raise the maximum amount of revenue.

Because X-Factor can't slash prices only retailers can. And it appears Amazon and Tesco have - a commercial decision I assume. Of course not new to amazon who had the RATM track at 29p from the start.

 

If X-factor has reduced the retail price below 40p it doesn't count. So that doesn't help any battle! :naughty:

Because X-Factor can't slash prices only retailers can. And it appears Amazon and Tesco have - a commercial decision I assume. Of course not new to amazon who had the RATM track at 29p from the start.

 

If X-factor has reduced the retail price below 40p it doesn't count. So that doesn't help any battle! :naughty:

 

Rubbish.

 

As a big fan of the Beatles who also works in the finance sector I know that the reason you don't see any Beatles CDs on sale for £5 or less is because EMI have to go through the Apple company to agree on a price for the product; and the Beatles' estates like to ensure they don't get ripped off by the parent company with regards to royalties on sales so EMI cannot sell the albums as a loss leader in sales like than can with a lot of other acts on their record label. Without going into a lengthy breakdown the royalty rate The Beatles parent company Apple enjoy which EMI pay for the priviledge of licencing is £5.73 per album.

 

Hence Sony would have had to contact Syco (aka Simon Cowell) to agree to drop the price of the download from 79p to 29p because that will impact on both the retailers and the record company's profits/royalties.

:dance: this track rocks the lyrics are what make it a perfect campains against Cowells puppet.

 

Its everyone who isnt a sheep or a mindless clone saying F*CK YOU SIMON WE WONT DO WHAT U TELL US.

 

The others who support are under control poor little sheep.

 

Flip the coin, isn't everyone dowloading RATM sheep too :naughty:

what i hope this does do is make cowell realise that the public don't want to be fobbed off with any old $h!te song as the winners song (i mean come on the climb by miley f***ing cyrus), and he will at least maybe have to think hard about a great song for the winner next year.
The thing is he won't. Why go to all the effort of putting a song together for an unknown winner, when you can rip off an already available track.
Rubbish.

 

As a big fan of the Beatles who also works in the finance sector I know that the reason you don't see any Beatles CDs on sale for £5 or less is because EMI have to go through the Apple company to agree on a price for the product; and the Beatles' estates like to ensure they don't get ripped off by the parent company with regards to royalties on sales so EMI cannot sell the albums as a loss leader in sales like than can with a lot of other acts on their record label. Without going into a lengthy breakdown the royalty rate The Beatles parent company Apple enjoy which EMI pay for the priviledge of licencing is £5.73 per album.

 

Hence Sony would have had to contact Syco (aka Simon Cowell) to agree to drop the price of the download from 79p to 29p because that will impact on both the retailers and the record company's profits/royalties.

With respect did you even read my post? There is an OCC limit at 40p, got nothing to do with price setting on albums. If the 29p price is by Sony then is won't count to the charts as the minimium required by the OCC is 40p.

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what i hope this does do is make cowell realise that the public don't want to be fobbed off with any old $h!te song as the winners song (i mean come on the climb by miley f***ing cyrus), and he will at least maybe have to think hard about a great song for the winner next year.

 

Exactly. This is not a matter of music snobbery against manufactured pop. Historically the likes of Phil Spector; Motown; Mickey Most; Chinn/Chapman; The Chic Corporation and even early Stock Aitken & Waterman made some fantastic manufactured pop records that are as good as anything created by bonafide original pop and rock acts.

 

Most recently just look at the Popstars The Rivals debut single: Girls Aloud - Sound Of The Underground = a brilliant pop song and record with very decent production.

 

But all the Pop Idol & X-Factor winning songs have been virtually the same either lame uninspired covers or songs rejected by Westlife that are mid tempo saccharine ballads that build to a crescendo to include a choir near the end. Whilst all the videos are the same showing the "journey of the winning act"

 

Little wonder it was so brilliantly lampooned last year by the Gary Barlow penned track with lyrics by Peter Kay:

 

Geraldine McQueen - The Winners Song

 

This is the problem I have with Simon Cowell is because in the 8 years since the first Pop Idol he has kept to the same awful formula ana as a result a whole generation of teenagers are growing up to think this is what music should be = selling the maximum amount of records with the lowest amount of creativity possible with a very narrow definition as to what is good pop music because you can guarantee that if Simon Cowell had a time machine to go back and forth in the past the likes of David Bowie; Bob Dylan; Kate Bush; Bjork; Brian Wilson; Robert Plant; Janis Joplin; Kurt Cobain; John Lydon; Liam Gallagher; etc would all fail to get past the first round of the auditions because Simon Cowell is taking music back to the pre 1950s Rock and Roll era.

With respect did you even read my post? There is a OCC limit at 40p, got nothing to do with price setting on albums. If the 29p price is by Sony then is won't count to the charts as the minimium required by the OCC is 40p.

 

And your point is?

 

Most of the time record companies have a much higher limit which retailers must pay for the priviledge of selling an album or single.

 

Then at some point they (the record company) decide/agree to drop the price which retailers must pay for the same priviledge.

 

Hence with a lot of albums that is why they are normally on sale in the first few weeks/months of release for around £9/£10; although occasionally some are promoted aggressively at an amount £1/£2 under that. But then later they are often reduced to £7 or down to 2 for £10 sales which all have a subsequent impact on the royalty payments the artists/songwriters receive.

 

A similar concept works with singles sales, which means in this instance that Syco would have agreed to a reduction in their royalty rate as otherwise there is no way that Tesco or Amazon would be selling the record at their lowest price if they had to pay a premium royalty rate to the record label.

 

Especially as Amazon have a deal selling all the X-Factor's winning songs for 29p each.

when i think of some of the artists i love i doubt they would even get past the 1st round of x factor, not because they aren't talented but because they are kooky with an unusual voice and not mainstream looking (tori amos, alanis morissette) have a country and raspy voice (sheryl crow) look like a man (tracy chapman) is a singer/songwriter/plays a piano (levi kreis, tori amos). the window of what cowell wants as the winner is so small and contrived it means there is no room for creativity. i mean having live auditions with backing music means you lose amazing artists that say play piano or guitar from shining. having abba weeks ect mean that singer/songwriters have no way to show their talents. thank god most of the artists i love broke through when x factor didn't set the mould for what a artist should be like, as i may never have had, hey jupiter, cornflake girl, home, my favourite mistake, fast car, you oughta know ect as they just don't fit the mould yet are amazing songs. the chart is so influenced by x factor it is so deviod of diversity that young people now see gaga as original, sad times.

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And your point is?

 

Most of the time record companies have a much higher limit which retailers must pay for the priviledge of selling an album or single.

 

Then at some point they (the record company) decide/agree to drop the price which retailers must pay for the same priviledge.

The decision to drop the prices below 40p can't yet have been taken by the record company. If it has, sales won't count according to OCC rules and why would the record company want Joe McElderry sales NOT to count? :wacko:

So that leaves the option of the retailer has decided to drop the price for commercial reasons. Something that commonly happens on amazon and tesco.

 

BTW if the record company had dropped the price to increase sales the main place would be on iTunes, but the price on iTunes is still 99p. So pretty sure that nothing has changed retail wise.

29p downloads are totally okay for the chart as long as Amazon has paid 40p per download. Which makes no sense because I thought downloads were unlimited so stock isn't necessary?
29p downloads are totally okay for the chart as long as Amazon has paid 40p per download. Which makes no sense because I thought downloads were unlimited so stock isn't necessary?
The royalty isn't free. It's unlimited but not free.
there will have to be publicity like this every day though!!
The decision to drop the prices below 40p can't yet have been taken by the record company. If it has, sales won't count according to OCC rules and why would the record company want Joe McElderry sales NOT to count? :wacko:

So that leaves the option of the retailer has decided to drop the price for commercial reasons. Something that commonly happens on amazon and tesco.

 

BTW if the record company had dropped the price to increase sales the main place would be on iTunes, but the price on iTunes is still 99p. So pretty sure that nothing has changed retail wise.

 

I've been looking and failing to find the report I saw on the internet but the average price charged by the record companies for tracks is around 53.7p to retailers. Sometimes more, sometimes less. I still find it incredible that both Amazon & Tesco were initially selling the single on their sites for 79p and then decided today to drop the price to 29p of their own free will.

 

Or are you seriously telling me that is exactly what they have done today, and not because Syco have a battle on their hands (for once) to achieve the Xmas #1 because of the campaign against it from RATM and have cut the price to ensure greater sales?

 

As Jim Royle would say "Coincidence? My ass!"

I've been looking and failing to find the report I saw on the internet but the average price charged by the record companies for tracks is around 53.7p to retailers. Sometimes more, sometimes less. I still find it incredible that both Amazon & Tesco were initially selling the single on their sites for 79p and then decided today to drop the price to 29p of their own free will.

 

Or are you seriously telling me that is exactly what they have done today, and not because Syco have a battle on their hands (for once) to achieve the Xmas #1 because of the campaign against it from RATM and have cut the price to ensure greater sales?

 

As Jim Royle would say "Coincidence? My ass!"

Yep. Amazon do this all the time.

 

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Doesnt-Mean-Anythi...G0WWNFP26QS4C66

 

http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B002R5K...;pf_rd_i=468294

 

http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B002YVH...;pf_rd_i=468294

 

http://www.amazon.co.uk/All-I-Want-Christm...XST7Y1S5DCVAGTA

 

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Look-For-Me/dp/B00...XST7Y1S5DCVAGTA

 

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Bass-Kick-Miami-Gi...XST7Y1S5DCVAGTA

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