Ya, you wouldn't understand -_- One day it'll all collapse into the face, and this country ends up in the biggest trouble it's ever been in. Then you may just understand what could've been done when it needed be. But no, let's not.

No, go on, elaborate. Your far-right-esque vague appeals to fear and destruction intrigue me.

And to the surprise of precisely nobody, it is now being reported that plans for the march have been scrapped. He's got his publicity so why bother with the march?

Good to see more muslims condemning this creature

 

 

 

Mohammed Shafiq, from the Ramadhan Foundation, said Mr Choudary had been deliberately provocative.

 

"His attempt to demonstrate at Wootton Bassett was set out to provoke hatred between communities and is not welcomed in the Muslim communities," he said.

 

"He and his cronies have no support in the British Muslim communities."

Good to see more muslims condemning this creature

Mohammed Shafiq, from the Ramadhan Foundation, said Mr Choudary had been deliberately provocative.

 

"His attempt to demonstrate at Wootton Bassett was set out to provoke hatred between communities and is not welcomed in the Muslim communities," he said.

 

"He and his cronies have no support in the British Muslim communities."

 

I've yet to hear a very loud, public statement from the Muslim Council of Great Britain..... who, as ever, have been ominously silent.

Islam4UK has 'cancelled' its march, but these loons must still be banned, or preferably forcibly re-integrated into a Islamic country.

 

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/8451014.stm

I've yet to hear a very loud, public statement from the Muslim Council of Great Britain..... who, as ever, have been ominously silent.

The Muslim Council of GB are self-appointed. They have no legitimate claim to speak for all British Muslims so anything they say or don't say isn't particularly relevant.

The whole point is that we are meant to be more civilised and educated than those people. How are we if we ban them on the basis of THEIR standards? And please don't dismiss this perfectly valid point as "liberal do-gooding" or whatever. :rolleyes:

 

...allowing them to hold this march and deliver their message wont be making thus country more civilised, in fact itll turn our standards down towards the standards of their countries of origin.

This isn't to sound racist, but if SOME of these Muslim's, or anyone else from a different country can't adapt to the British way of life, why can't they f*** off back to their own country? The UK doesn't need them dictating to the law etc cause of their religion so why don't they just go to an Islamic, por their own country? SRSLY... I have nothing against Muslim's at all, I find them to be very nice people in general but my aunt was almost put in jail in Saudi Arabia because she weren't wearing a veil.. a VIEL! This is much more extreme than that...

 

EDIT: Once again, not being racist, just comparing.

Edited January 11, 201015 yr by LiamM

This isn't to sound racist, but if SOME of these Muslim's, or anyone else from a different country can't adapt to the British way of life, why can't they f*** off back to their own country? The UK doesn't need them dictating to the law etc cause of their religion so why don't they just go to an Islamic, por their own country? SRSLY... I have nothing against Muslim's at all, I find them to be very nice people in general but my aunt was almost put in jail in Saudi Arabia because she weren't wearing a veil.. a VIEL! This is much more extreme than that...

 

EDIT: Once again, not being racist, just comparing.

 

Good job your aunt never asked for a church to be built, she would have been executed :o

 

Islam is a backward primitive religion that should have been made extinct centuries ago, it has no place in the modern civilised world with their attitudes to women and gays and jews, they execute homosexuals then go to mosque and worship a paedophile who married a 9 year old girl :wacko:

 

A muslim can come to this country and demand sharia law and can go to mosque but it carries the death penalty in Saudi Arabia if someone demands or tries to set up a christian church so as far as I am concerned every mosque in England should be closed and razed to the ground until church bells are ringing out in Jeddah and Riyadh, it is time this country adopted a zero tolerance policy of islam until such time they get their house in order with regards women and gays

 

I have no truck with the ordinary hard working muslim but their religion does not belong in the civilised world

 

 

Good job your aunt never asked for a church to be built, she would have been executed :o

 

Islam is a backward primitive religion that should have been made extinct centuries ago, it has no place in the modern civilised world with their attitudes to women and gays and jews, they execute homosexuals then go to mosque and worship a paedophile who married a 9 year old girl :wacko:

 

A muslim can come to this country and demand sharia law and can go to mosque but it carries the death penalty in Saudi Arabia if someone demands or tries to set up a christian church so as far as I am concerned every mosque in England should be closed and razed to the ground until church bells are ringing out in Jeddah and Riyadh, it is time this country adopted a zero tolerance policy of islam until such time they get their house in order with regards women and gays

 

I have no truck with the ordinary hard working muslim but their religion does not belong in the civilised world

 

Lol! IKR! I'm glad I'm not the only BJer who thinks that ^

Lol! IKR! I'm glad I'm not the only BJer who thinks that ^

 

I think many do :) but are not prepared to speak out for fear of being branded racist or whatever whereas while I am not a racist I just say what I think really lol if it is something I believe in

Same ^ I'd never hate a Muslim, as long as they are decent - that doesn't mean I agree with their beliefs though.

This isn't to sound racist, but if SOME of these Muslim's, or anyone else from a different country can't adapt to the British way of life, why can't they f*** off back to their own country? The UK doesn't need them dictating to the law etc cause of their religion so why don't they just go to an Islamic, por their own country? SRSLY... I have nothing against Muslim's at all, I find them to be very nice people in general but my aunt was almost put in jail in Saudi Arabia because she weren't wearing a veil.. a VIEL! This is much more extreme than that...

 

EDIT: Once again, not being racist, just comparing.

 

So basically what you're saying is even if they were born here; which the guy we're talking about was; Britain is not 'their country' as it is yours or mine? Because if that is what you're saying then that IS racist and a far right BNP view.

So basically what you're saying is even if they were born here; which the guy we're talking about was; Britain is not 'their country' as it is yours or mine? Because if that is what you're saying then that IS racist and a far right BNP view.

 

I'm not a racist, I was just comparing their laws to Britain's. They don't allow churches to be built, or any other place of worship besides mosques to be built for that matter, they treat women as 2nd class citizens etc. etc... but Britain has to accomodate for their needs by funding for mosque's to be built and risk security by allowing them to wear veils when if the shoe was on the other foot, they wouldn't accomodate for people of other religions at ALL - just saying. It's as if they can have it however they want when people of other religions have to compromise and change THEIR OWN ways for them. I was just saying how unfair it is on those of other religions, (not just Christian's) and if they don't like the fact they can't do certain things in a country (they have dictated to the law enough already) where they are a MINORITY then maybe they should find a place to live where they are in the majority, SUCH AS Islamic countries.

So basically what you're saying is even if they were born here; which the guy we're talking about was; Britain is not 'their country' as it is yours or mine? Because if that is what you're saying then that IS racist and a far right BNP view.

 

I don't think that it is racist at all or far right

 

Britain is based upon christianity and christian values and that will never change so any muslim that is not prepared to accept christianity as the norm and wants his own faith imposed on everyone really is better off living in a muslim country where his faith is the norm regardless of whether they were born in Kingston Upon Thames or Kabul

I'm not a racist, I was just comparing their laws to Britain's. They don't allow churches to be built, or any other place of worship besides mosques to be built for that matter, they treat women as 2nd class citizens etc. etc... but Britain has to accomodate for their needs by funding for mosque's to be built and risk security by allowing them to wear veils when if the shoe was on the other foot, they wouldn't accomodate for people of other religions at ALL - just saying. It's as if they can have it however they want when people of other religions have to compromise and change THEIR OWN ways for them. I was just saying how unfair it is on those of other religions, (not just Christian's) and if they don't like the fact they can't do certain things in a country (they have dictated to the law enough already) where they are a MINORITY then maybe they should find a place to live where they are in the majority, SUCH AS Islamic countries.

And as has been said many times in this thread, the beauty of this country is that it allows freedom of religion, freedom of speech et al! I have no idea why so many posters are attracted to the simplistic view that we ought to treat them as the backward nations of the Middle East would treat us, seeing as it would make us no better. We should never sacrifice freedom on the basis that someone else doesn't provide it :/

And as has been said many times in this thread, the beauty of this country is that it allows freedom of religion, freedom of speech et al! I have no idea why so many posters are attracted to the simplistic view that we ought to treat them as the backward nations of the Middle East would treat us, seeing as it would make us no better. We should never sacrifice freedom on the basis that someone else doesn't provide it :/

 

You may be right Tyron but muslims can't have their cake and eat it, I have no problem with muslims who either were born here or emigrated here who accept Britain is a christian culture and does not seek to change that, I have no problem at all with muslims so long as they accept christianity is the norm and are prepared to live based on BRITISH law, the ones I have issue with is the ones who were born here or emigrated here and seek change, seek Britain to become Saudi Arabia/Afghanistan, refuse to accept christianity is the British faith and want sharia law bought in

 

Want christmas banned ? - go to Heathrow and get a 1 way ticket to somewhere where christmas is banned

Want alcohol banned ? - go to Heathrow and get a 1 way ticket to somewhere where alcohol is banned

Want all women to have to wear veils ? - go to Heathrow and get a 1 way ticket to somewhere where women have to wear veils

Want homosexuality banned ? - go to Heathrow and get a 1 way ticket to somewhere where homosexuality is banned

Want sharia law ? - go to Heathrow and get a 1 way ticket to somewhere where sharia law is the law of the land

 

To put it bluntly, any muslim that is not prepared to accept British culture, British law and British traditional religious faith quit your whining and fukk off, those that can accept it (the majority of muslims) are welcome here

I agree with what you're saying BA, but what you're talking about is a minorty, who is blown up by the media to be seena s the majority and encourage racial tension in British Society. As we've seen from this, most British muslims were AGAINST the march, so it really is a minority..

 

As for your Saudi Arabia comparisons, that's just ridiculous. We all know Islam is quite an outdated religion, but life in Sauda Arabia is completley different to modern life in the UK, so to say 'close all mosques until Church bells ring out in Jebediah' is quite stupid.. I agree with you Islam is quite a horrible religion in principal, but I feel that way about ALL religions, and am quite against all religions existence, but what people choose to individually believe is down to them and not for us to dictate. Muslims in Britain are quite welcome to practise their faith as far as i'm concerned as long as, like you say, they dont object to British Law which IS A MINORITY, whether I agree with it or not and I don't think Christians should be allowed in SA if we're going to allow Islam in the UK..

I agree with you B.A. I have a fish-keeping Muslim friend, well HAD. She's from Pakistan and her daughter was in my daughter's nursery class and I went round to her house once to see her tank and she said "let me go upstairs and get you a book" so obviously I thought it would be a fish-keeping book. Was the Koran!! :rolleyes: She seemed annoyed when I said I wasn't going to read it and that she shouldn't try to impose her religion on me. Then she launched in to a tirade of how George W. Bush really was responsible for 9/11 and how Muslims are being persecuted the world over and how everything's decided by Allah, even a fish dying. She wanted me to borrow the Koran and other books and 'see that we're right'" Can you imagine me sitting up reading the Koran? :naughty: Haven't been back since! Can't be doing with all that. :angry: Are they on some kind of mission to convert people or what?

Edited January 11, 201015 yr by Victor Meldrew

I agree with what you're saying BA, but what you're talking about is a minorty, who is blown up by the media to be seena s the majority and encourage racial tension in British Society. As we've seen from this, most British muslims were AGAINST the march, so it really is a minority..

 

As for your Saudi Arabia comparisons, that's just ridiculous. We all know Islam is quite an outdated religion, but life in Sauda Arabia is completley different to modern life in the UK, so to say 'close all mosques until Church bells ring out in Jebediah' is quite stupid.. I agree with you Islam is quite a horrible religion in principal, but I feel that way about ALL religions, and am quite against all religions existence, but what people choose to individually believe is down to them and not for us to dictate. Muslims in Britain are quite welcome to practise their faith as far as i'm concerned as long as, like you say, they dont object to British Law which IS A MINORITY, whether I agree with it or not and I don't think Christians should be allowed in SA if we're going to allow Islam in the UK..

 

Oh it is definitely a minority that want to impose their faith in the UK as a norm, every muslim I know personally is hard working, has strong family values and has great respect for this country, those that are in favour of that march or want sharia law imposed in this country, women to wear veils and homosexuality banned etc are the large minority, but the peaceful law abiding majority need to speak out more against the extremist minority, there has been a wall of silence with regards that proposed march and extremism coming from the main muslim bodies in the UK so the muslim law abiding peaceful majority need to speak out more against extremists