I noticed that the artists seems have a huge debut album and then have a unsuccessful album. Just name few for you: Mika, Jay Sean, Miley, The Saturdays, Timbaland, Kelly Clarkson and Jordin Sparks. This is awful news as the albums ain't half bad.

 

Rihanna, BEP, Beyonce, Muse, Paolo Nutini, Kasabian, Robbie, Lily A., James Morrison, Take That, The Killers and Lady Gaga and many others that have maintain popular through to their second albums and third or fourth in some cases.

 

 

Is there problems musically with the artists listed? Or what?

 

What are your views?

Edited February 18, 201015 yr by Tacticz

well funnily enough, paramore's first two albums missed the top 20 and their third debuted at number 1. :P maybe it's because their UK fanbase has rose or something, I don't know.

I guess it's just unlucky. tbh, leona's doing alright so far. not as successful as her debut album but it did debut at number 1. also, after one track being released, it's not so bad. :P

Edited February 16, 201015 yr by Doug Vickers

wasn't kelly clarkson's second album breakaway???

*sigh*

Are you trying to say Rated R has been massive *again*? It hasn't mmk? It's underperformed so far. It remains to be seen if it'll recover.

 

And Lady GaGa only has one album. The Fame Monster was an extension of The Fame.

Edited February 16, 201015 yr by BrayFish

wasn't kelly clarkson's second album breakaway???

 

I thought it was My December.

There are a number of reasons I think;

 

1) A lot of these acts (Mika especially) had HUGE hype to begin with and are then old news by album #2 as other new artists have the new hype

 

2) Lead singles have to be strong to stand any chance of a big comeback - if they're not then goodbye any success of the album

 

3) People don't buy into the same thing over and over again - Mika came back with a weakened clone of his debut, look at Paolo Nutini on the otherhand who completely transformed and evolved his sound, appealing to his original fans and winning a whole new older fanbase at the same time

 

4) Artists spend maybe 5 or 6 years writing their debut album, maybe even since they were teenagers, especially singer/songwriters, and then they're pressured to write a great new album within the next 18 months - always searching for that elusive hit whereas it probably came a lot more naturally with the songs on the first album

 

5) Sounds move on - If Duffy comes back this year or next with another soul pop retro album, it won't do much at all because the sound is old news. Mika came back in 2009 with a 2007 sound - it didn't work.

*sigh*

Are you trying to say Rated R has been massive *again*? It hasn't mmk? It's underperformed so far. It remains to be seen if it'll recover.

 

And Lady GaGa only has one album. The Fame Monster was an extension of The Fame.

 

We are talking about 2nd albums not 4th albums here. Rated R has done well for artist with 4 albums to her name. And The Fame Monster is considered as a second album worldwide. ;) :P

Edited February 16, 201015 yr by Tacticz

I thought it was My December.

 

if memory seves me correct they released an album off the back of Miss Independant that didn't really set the world alight, #40 i think it reached in the end :S

 

Edit: The Album was called 'Thankful'

Edited February 16, 201015 yr by leonafan

If the album is just the same thing as before, then people get bored- If its different and churns out some great songs then it will consistently sell

 

btw sorry to rain on your parade- but Rated R missed the top 10 here, so I think Rihanna should be in the first half you mentioned rather than the second

 

Edit: ok, maybe its her fourth, but it still underperformed which is something the others on your list havent done yet

Edited February 16, 201015 yr by chart wizard

Very simple answer to this: the industry is fickle.

if memory seves me correct they released an album off the back of Miss Independant that didn't really set the world alight, #40 i think it reached in the end :S

 

Edit: The Album was called 'Thankful'

 

Thankful? Well that's new. I thought that Miss Independent was just a single for people to get excited about her.

I noticed that the artists seems have a huge debut album and then have a unsuccessful album. Just name few for you: Mika, Leona, Miley, The Saturdays, Kelly Clarkson and Jordin Sparks. This is awful news as the albums ain't half bad.

 

BEP, Beyonce, Rihanna, Paolo Nutini, Kasabian, Robbie, Take That, The Killers and Lady Gaga and many others that have maintain popular through to their second albums and third or fourth in some cases.

Is there problems musically with the artists listed? Or what?

 

What are your views?

Rihanna's first two albums did poorly, GGGB was huge, and Rated R isn't doing badly, but it's underperforming. I wouldn't use her as an example. And Leona's album is at 1.4million off the back of one underperforming lead single, so let's give her a bit of time. But other than that, I agree

There are a number of reasons I think;

 

3) People don't buy into the same thing over and over again - Mika came back with a weakened clone of his debut, look at Paolo Nutini on the otherhand who completely transformed and evolved his sound, appealing to his original fans and winning a whole new older fanbase at the same time

 

Completely agree about this. I don't get the hate for Paolo Nutini (well, he's not a solo female artist from America!!! :lol: ) but 'Sunny Side Up' is, for me anyways, one of 2009's best albums and is certainly much better than Paolo's debut album.

"Echo" has still sold pretty well, so I wouldn't call it unsuccessful. The Saturdays is probably something to do with poor choice of lead single, and Kelly Clarkson could be to do with lack of Radio 1 support. BEP, Beyonce & Lady GaGa are all massive, and their albums will continue to sell well in the future.

 

well funnily enough, paramore's first two albums missed the top 20 and their third debuted at number 1. :P maybe it's because their UK fanbase has rose or something, I don't know.

I guess it's just unlucky. tbh, leona's doing alright so far. not as successful as her debut album but it did debut at number 1. also, after one track being released, it's not so bad. :P

 

I'd say that could be due to them having the lead song on the Twilight soundtrack. And I dunno if they had any radio support during their first couple of albums, but I hear Radio 1 playing a Paramore song at least once a day normally, and "Ignorance" & "Brick By Boring Brick" both had a while on the A-List even though neither went top 10 (I don't think BBBB went top 40 even). Not that I'm complaining, I'm a huge Paramore fan :wub:

 

Rihanna's first two albums did poorly, GGGB was huge, and Rated R isn't doing badly, but it's underperforming. I wouldn't use her as an example. And Leona's album is at 1.4million off the back of one underperforming lead single, so let's give her a bit of time. But other than that, I agree

 

 

1.4m my a**!! Maybe it's shipped that.

 

It hasn't sold over 200,000 copies in the UK (by far her biggest market) and according to Perez Hilton in January Echo had sold little over 100k in the USA!

There are a number of reasons I think;

 

4) Artists spend maybe 5 or 6 years writing their debut album, maybe even since they were teenagers, especially singer/songwriters, and then they're pressured to write a great new album within the next 18 months - always searching for that elusive hit whereas it probably came a lot more naturally with the songs on the first album

 

To extend on this point, it's also all about timing. Calvin Harris' dumb record company expected his album to be ready for release in 2008 but Calvin Harris came up with the genius excuse of telling his lable that he lost his laptop at Heathrow Terminal 5 which had the only copy of his album on it. :lol: In truth, no such thing had happened and it gave Calvin Harris around six months to "redo his album" where it just gave him six months to work on exsisting tracks. What happens? Calvin scored a UK no. 1 album with a no. 1 single and all singles have gone top 40. I doubt that would've happened in 2008, but we will never know.

 

Basically record companies make stupid decisions that ultimately have a seriously bad knock on affect on an artists success. They just expect them to be huge because they were popular two years ago. :rolleyes:

1.4m my a**!! Maybe it's shipped that.

 

It hasn't sold over 200,000 copies in the UK (by far her biggest market) and according to Perez Hilton in January Echo had sold little over 100k in the USA!

The sales have been confirmed by MusicWeek to be 1.4million. And it's sold 565,000 by the end of 2009 in the UK, actually.

Yeh I get what your saying. This has happened to Alphabeat and Timbaland.

 

Oh and, Kelly Clarkson - Thankful, Breakaway, My December, All I Ever Wanted.

right? :P

 

There are a number of reasons I think;

 

1) A lot of these acts (Mika especially) had HUGE hype to begin with and are then old news by album #2 as other new artists have the new hype

 

2) Lead singles have to be strong to stand any chance of a big comeback - if they're not then goodbye any success of the album

 

3) People don't buy into the same thing over and over again - Mika came back with a weakened clone of his debut, look at Paolo Nutini on the otherhand who completely transformed and evolved his sound, appealing to his original fans and winning a whole new older fanbase at the same time

 

4) Artists spend maybe 5 or 6 years writing their debut album, maybe even since they were teenagers, especially singer/songwriters, and then they're pressured to write a great new album within the next 18 months - always searching for that elusive hit whereas it probably came a lot more naturally with the songs on the first album

 

5) Sounds move on - If Duffy comes back this year or next with another soul pop retro album, it won't do much at all because the sound is old news. Mika came back in 2009 with a 2007 sound - it didn't work.

Agree with all of this. Good post

Edited February 16, 201015 yr by Jamieed

The sales have been confirmed by MusicWeek to be 1.4million. And it's sold 565,000 by the end of 2009 in the UK, actually.

 

The number of times this is being repeated it sounds as if the Leona fans are trying to convince themselves, as no one else is buying it. Why are these figures being quoted now when the article is week's old? Mistakes are made in Musicweek, only this week they included figures from last week's chart instead of this. Given Echo's chart runs outside the UK those figures just aren't possible. Perhaps you could post up her chart runs so everyone can see them.

 

Back on topic. There is often a lot of hype surroundingg a debut. When the dust settles it all becomes a level playing field & unless an artist has their own identity & takes charge of their career then they often struggle. Lots of people buy debut albums based on the hype and are disappointed so don't buy the next one especially if that artist has served up material very much the same.I also think artists are over exposed & altough re-releasing deluxe albums adds a few more sales I think people get sick & it has percussions for follow up albums.

The number of times this is being repeated it sounds as if the Leona fans are trying to convince themselves, as no one else is buying it. Why are these figures being quoted now when the article is week's old? Mistakes are made in Musicweek, only this week they included figures from last week's chart instead of this. Given Echo's chart runs outside the UK those figures just aren't possible. Perhaps you could post up her chart runs so everyone can see them.

We bring it up when people say the album flopped. It's a pretty sensible reason to bring it up... And it's not a mistake, it was printed in a full on table with several other artist reports. Of course it's possible... and I don't know her chart runs...