March 14, 201015 yr Oh yes Theo, who didn't even listen to/doesn't even like the song. Meow. :heart: I can see why it's banned, but at the same time I'm disappointed people felt the need to ban it when there are many, many more 'cheaper' songs out there that will go unbanned. What an abuse of the system, tbh. Were people just afraid of it? No way would it have done well. Shame. :nocheer:
March 14, 201015 yr This is what I hate about the banlist - people have basically just ganged up on Timoteij/anyone that wants to send it, and stopped them doing so. I don't think it would have been a winner, though I appreciate there's some hype around it. If anyone wants to ban any of my entries, they're in my national thread, have a field day :smoke:
March 14, 201015 yr This is precisely why no new rules/systems will ever work 100% in BJSC. I completely disagree with your opinion, yet can completely understand it at the same time. Everyone defines what is and isn't cheap differently. To some people Pyromania is cheap/uninspired, to some Kom is, it's all by virtue of your own definiton, hence the banlist requiring three or more nominations to have something banned. I don't think it's abuse of the system at all, it's just how people personally feel. I didn't nominate Kom to stop anyone specific from sending it (nobody had declared a public interest to do so in their national thread), I just think it's already had more than enough attention and hype on BuzzJack, just as much as Pyromania and Do Wah Doo have had if not more. I think it's a bit unfair to say that people have ganged up on it, because that sounds malicious - people have just as much right to nominate Kom as they did to nominate Diana Vickers last month in my opinion :( I also didn't discuss my nomination of Kom with anyone - it was the first song I nominated last week when the nominations opened!
March 14, 201015 yr Salem has had arguably as much hype on BJ, yes probably less, but still... He would have been in my top 5 nominations, but to be honest I thought he still had a good chance to win MF all the way up until last night hence didn't need nominating :(
March 14, 201015 yr Oh yes Theo, who didn't even listen to/doesn't even like the song. :mellow: Just because I haven't charted it doesn't mean I haven't heard it or even like it, which I do.
March 14, 201015 yr This is precisely why no new rules/systems will ever work 100% in BJSC. I completely disagree with your opinion, yet can completely understand it at the same time. Everyone defines what is and isn't cheap differently. To some people Pyromania is cheap/uninspired, to some Kom is, it's all by virtue of your own definiton, hence the banlist requiring three or more nominations to have something banned. I don't think it's abuse of the system at all, it's just how people personally feel. I didn't nominate Kom to stop anyone specific from sending it (nobody had declared a public interest to do so in their national thread), I just think it's already had more than enough attention and hype on BuzzJack, just as much as Pyromania and Do Wah Doo have had if not more. I think it's a bit unfair to say that people have ganged up on it, because that sounds malicious - people have just as much right to nominate Kom as they did to nominate Diana Vickers last month in my opinion :( I also didn't discuss my nomination of Kom with anyone - it was the first song I nominated last week when the nominations opened! I guess you're right, and please understand I wasn't having a dig at you personally, but as a Eurovision fan I feel it more. Correct me if I'm wrong, but the only Eurovision reject to go top 10 was Stay The Night, and that was months and months after the Melodifestivalen final. What would have been the harm in sending it? It's not like it was going to pick up 12s across the board...
March 14, 201015 yr He would have been in my top 5 nominations, but to be honest I thought he still had a good chance to win MF all the way up until last night hence didn't need nominating :( As long as nobody sends him, I can't see any of the other MF songs challenging for the win, so it's alright. Hopefully, for the contest and my ears, nobody does send it. :( Edited March 14, 201015 yr by Let's Make A Rob
March 14, 201015 yr I guess you're right, and please understand I wasn't having a dig at you personally, but as a Eurovision fan I feel it more. Correct me if I'm wrong, but the only Eurovision reject to go top 10 was Stay The Night, and that was months and months after the Melodifestivalen final. What would have been the harm in sending it? It's not like it was going to pick up 12s across the board... I don't have an explanation. The purpose is to nominate three songs you don't wish to see in the contest, whatever the source, so that's what I do. It just felt like somebody sending Kom right now would be playing right into the hands of mass pre-existing hype and adoration. I'd have no problem with it being sent in August or later like you did with Stay The Night or Phil did with Butterflies - a great, accessible pop song will always do well here whenever it's sent, not just when the hype is at it's most prominent point. I guess I felt that somebody sending it right now would seem like a deliberate attempt to latch onto a popular song for a good result I guess. To be honest though, it's not like there was a wide selection of songs to nominate this month, the music scene is absolutely dead at the moment :lol:
March 14, 201015 yr As long as nobody sends him, I can't see any of the other MF songs challenging for the win, so it's alright. Unfortunately, for the contest and my ears, nobody does send it. :( I don't think Salem would come anywhere close to doing well in BJSC with Keep On Walking. I can't see the indie crowd taking to it and a lot of pop fans seem to dislike it too. It's one of those songs you either 'get' or you don't I guess, and I think that applies to Salem in general. Backseat got high points from few voters last month, it seemed that people either loved it or just didn't understand the hype.
March 14, 201015 yr Author I think I'll just wait for the Timoteij album, Kom strikes me as a little too quirky to do much here...it would've been perfect for the ESC though :snif:
March 14, 201015 yr I can't wait for the Timoteij album! Hope there are some English language songs on there, is it too much to ask for the English version of Kom as a bonus?
March 14, 201015 yr Probably :( Linda Bengtzing did an English version of Jag Ljuger Sa Bra, which never came out or even leaked :( And sorry Phil, I totally forgot Butterflies :snif:
March 14, 201015 yr I don't think Salem would come anywhere close to doing well in BJSC with Keep On Walking. I can't see the indie crowd taking to it and a lot of pop fans seem to dislike it too. It's one of those songs you either 'get' or you don't I guess, and I think that applies to Salem in general. Backseat got high points from few voters last month, it seemed that people either loved it or just didn't understand the hype. There was not only Salem in the song so i guess it's still open what he'd do in BJSC alone. I'm still baffled Kom is banned. For the following reasons... It's in swedish. It's a ESC reject (which usually puts ESC-HATAHS off the song instantly). It's not that amazing (my personal opinion here though). It'd not go even Top 5, Top 10 at best.
March 14, 201015 yr Why do people think this Kom crap would have won? It's typical Eurovision trash that would flop. Anyone who thinks it would go Top 5 must be daft. I can possibly see Top 10 considering that there are quite a few Eurovision loons in BJSC. Still, glad it was banned LOL. We're already en route for a higher quality contest now. ;o
March 14, 201015 yr Author RESULTS ARE IN. The following tracks have been banned for XXV and XXVI: Kate Nash - Doo Wah Doo - 5 Cascada - Pyromania - 5 Timoteij - Kom - 4 Sabrina Washington - OMG - 3 Ellie Goulding - Guns and Horses - 3 Mini Viva - One Touch - 3 Hence, the following tracks are all banned (along with standard banned tracks, like Eurovision entries or the first two singles from an artist with an AF's current era - e.g. Sophie Ellis-Bextor - Bittersweet) for XXV. Cascada - Pyromania Diana Vickers - Once Ellie Goulding - Guns and Horses Ellie Goulding - Starry Eyed Gabriella Cilmi - On A Mission Goldfrapp - Rocket Kate Nash - Doo Wah Doo Mini Viva - One Touch Sabrina Washington - OMG Timoteij - Kom
March 14, 201015 yr My post wasn't against anybody who nominated Kom, btw. I think Tyron was the only person who said he might have sent it, so why it had to be banned when it wouldn't have been sent is just a tad OTT. Yeah, I'd vote for it if it was sent, but only if it was good enough against whatever else was being sent! And just because some people here are "Eurovision loons" doesn't mean they'd automatically vote for it. What about Salem? I've seen just as much hype about him on here, yet because he's male and not completely europop people wouldn't feel threatened. I just feel that this banlist, as good as it is most of the time, will be used as a way to ban NF entries... a ban that was overturned not too long ago. People will just use it as a way to by-pass the now defunct NF ban - that's basically what I'm trying to say. :heehee:
March 14, 201015 yr Author My post wasn't against anybody who nominated Kom, btw. I think Tyron was the only person who said he might have sent it, so why it had to be banned when it wouldn't have been sent is just a tad OTT. Yeah, I'd vote for it if it was sent, but only if it was good enough against whatever else was being sent! And just because some people here are "Eurovision loons" doesn't mean they'd automatically vote for it. What about Salem? I've seen just as much hype about him on here, yet because he's male and not completely europop people wouldn't feel threatened. I just feel that this banlist, as good as it is most of the time, will be used as a way to ban NF entries... a ban that was overturned not too long ago. People will just use it as a way to by-pass the now defunct NF ban - that's basically what I'm trying to say. :heehee: Now now, there are far too many NF songs and far too few voters. They don't tend to know which songs we might choose :kink:
March 14, 201015 yr True, there's no evidence that Kom would have definitely been sent but this is equally true with all of the songs on the banlist. As for Kom going top ten by default because of ESC loons, that seems unfair. I'd love the song if it had no ESC connection. The number of Eurovision songs I hate far outweigh those I love and I often don't vote for the ESC rejects sent to BJSC.
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