I think Brown was very good tonight. He looked like a PM whereas Dave STILL DOESN'T.

I think Brown was very good tonight. He looked like a PM whereas Dave STILL DOESN'T.

 

Ah, I see that now it's just Craig who are in the deluded minority I like to call the Conservative Party. Doesn't bode well for the 6th...

Ah, I see that now it's just Craig who are in the deluded minority I like to call the Conservative Party. Doesn't bode well for the 6th...

 

I love how you are ignoring the early opinion polls and the pundits on both BBC & Sky who seem to think that although it was marginal David Cameron won the debate.

 

But hey, obviously you clearly know more than all those Political experts.

 

As for Victor Meldrew, well he has been exposed on a number of occasions as a WUM. But for reasons best known to management he has not been banned from the site yet. Even though so called spammers who have done far less have.

 

 

I wouldn't trust a YouGov poll if it told me the sky was blue :)

I think Brown was very good tonight. He looked like a PM whereas Dave STILL DOESN'T.

 

Well I thought Dave well very impressive.

 

Especially when he talked about cutting benefits to people who play the system who are on long term unemployment or incapacity benefit when there is not much wrong with them.

 

A real vote winner for me.

Brown and Cameron both had messages they wanted to put across at every opportunity - whether it was related to the question or not. Brown mentioned the Tory plans for inheritance tax, Cameron kept banging on about 13 years of Labour government. Only Clegg tried to restrict his remarks to the question - even if only vaguely at times.

I love how you are ignoring the early opinion polls and the pundits on both BBC & Sky who seem to think that although it was marginal David Cameron won the debate.

 

But hey, obviously you clearly know more than all those Political experts.

 

As for Victor Meldrew, well he has been exposed on a number of occasions as a WUM. But for reasons best known to management he has not been banned from the site yet. Even though so called spammers who have done far less have.

 

I hadn't actually seen the polls, and tbh I'm not sure I agree with them anyway. If you take into account that the Tories had the largest poll percentage going into this, the debate appears to have been pretty even.

Well I thought Dave well very impressive.

 

Especially when he talked about cutting benefits to people who play the system who are on long term unemployment or incapacity benefit when there is not much wrong with them.

 

A real vote winner for me.

 

 

Me too. Anyone who isn't really ill should be made to work. Genuinely ill people like me should be safe though. :)

I love how you are ignoring the early opinion polls and the pundits on both BBC & Sky who seem to think that although it was marginal David Cameron won the debate.

 

But hey, obviously you clearly know more than all those Political experts.

 

As for Victor Meldrew, well he has been exposed on a number of occasions as a WUM. But for reasons best known to management he has not been banned from the site yet. Even though so called spammers who have done far less have.

The early opinion polls called it for Cameron last week when the later ones called it for Clegg.

I love how you are ignoring the early opinion polls and the pundits on both BBC & Sky who seem to think that although it was marginal David Cameron won the debate.

 

But hey, obviously you clearly know more than all those Political experts.

 

As for Victor Meldrew, well he has been exposed on a number of occasions as a WUM. But for reasons best known to management he has not been banned from the site yet. Even though so called spammers who have done far less have.

 

 

Why should I be banned from a site where I state an opinion and argue my point? I am an asset to Buzzjack. :)

So, a guy on Sky News saying it was a dull debate and that it all comes down to turnout next Thursday and how many "core" supporters will just stay at home and not bother to vote!

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I thought Brown was the clear winner of the first two thirds of the debate, although I wasn't able to concentrate as much on the final third until the final statements. I distinctly got the impression that Brown won with Clegg a clear second - I don't see how Craig can claim Cameron a clear victor when he had an absolute disaster of a moment when Clegg kept on at him over the EU immigration levels and he refused to answer! Clegg looked very shaky when Cameron brought up the Euro (although Cameron did seem very try-hard in how he did so with little relation to the question!). Brown seemed very commanding and very confident in his messages, particularly on inheritance tax - although I do feel he called 'same old Tories' maybe one too many times (although I stopped counting '13 years of Labour government' after about five minutes from Cameron).

 

On a completely trivial note, was anybody else mildly fascinated by Cameron's 5 o'clock moustache?

I am an asset to Buzzjack. :)

HA.

On a completely trivial note, was anybody else mildly fascinated by Cameron's 5 o'clock moustache?

 

I was more fixated with his shiny face and dyed hair.

I thought Brown was the clear winner of the first two thirds of the debate, although I wasn't able to concentrate as much on the final third until the final statements. I distinctly got the impression that Brown won with Clegg a clear second - I don't see how Craig can claim Cameron a clear victor when he had an absolute disaster of a moment when Clegg kept on at him over the EU immigration levels and he refused to answer! Clegg looked very shaky when Cameron brought up the Euro (although Cameron did seem very try-hard in how he did so with little relation to the question!). Brown seemed very commanding and very confident in his messages, particularly on inheritance tax - although I do feel he called 'same old Tories' maybe one too many times (although I stopped counting '13 years of Labour government' after about five minutes from Cameron).

 

On a completely trivial note, was anybody else mildly fascinated by Cameron's 5 o'clock moustache?

Cameron mentioning the euro at that point was a clear case of him thinking "Oh bugger, I haven't mentioned the euro yet and we're coming to the end of the economic part of the debate. I'd better mention it now."

What does anyone think of Brown's opening words then? He referred to it and that was it! No further apology but I for one never expected one.

Cameron was sweating like a pig most of the time I was watching, it must be said - he really didn't cope well with most of Brown's responses. He was distinctly worse than last week (when I called him the marginal winner).

 

Overall, on the debates, I feel that Clegg won the first won by a country mile, Cameron edged the second one on a near-three-way-tie, and that Brown won this one but not by a huge margin over Clegg. Overall, I'd say from a personal point of view that Clegg has been the runaway winner of the debates as a whole, with Brown and Cameron distantly behind, but I reckon the public will see it as a clear Clegg victory with Cameron distinctly in second on the debates overall. However, I think the effect of this debate will be disproportionately larger than the other two (Clegg's benefits from the first aside), and I'm predicting (roughly) the following results:

 

Labour (3rd on vote, VERY NARROWLY behind Lib Dems) / 240

Conservatives (1st on vote but probably between 500K and 800K votes ahead of LDs) / 270

Lib Dems (2nd) / 110

Others / 30

What does anyone think of Brown's opening words then? He referred to it and that was it! No further apology but I for one never expected one.

It is an issue which had no place in a policy debate, given he's already apologised. It was sensible of him to mention it, and I don't think he could've done any better with it in the debate.

I thought Brown was the clear winner of the first two thirds of the debate, although I wasn't able to concentrate as much on the final third until the final statements. I distinctly got the impression that Brown won with Clegg a clear second - I don't see how Craig can claim Cameron a clear victor when he had an absolute disaster of a moment when Clegg kept on at him over the EU immigration levels and he refused to answer! Clegg looked very shaky when Cameron brought up the Euro (although Cameron did seem very try-hard in how he did so with little relation to the question!). Brown seemed very commanding and very confident in his messages, particularly on inheritance tax - although I do feel he called 'same old Tories' maybe one too many times (although I stopped counting '13 years of Labour government' after about five minutes from Cameron).

 

On a completely trivial note, was anybody else mildly fascinated by Cameron's 5 o'clock moustache?

 

I thought Brown showed his true colours tonight = as a bully. Well I guess after yesterday his facade had been blown, so what the hell. I guess that is why he is getting both negative and positive feedback on numerous media outlets on that very issue at the moment.

 

I thought Clegg came across like an opportunistic spiv meets a University student debater tonight. He was lightweight compared to the big guns for the first time in three contests. But hey his Party voted and refused to support a minimum tax on alcohol in Scotland. Yet voted the very opposite way in Parliament for the rest of the country. Even though alcoholism is greater in Scotland than any other part of the UK.

 

As for "Call me Dave", I thought like Rafa Benitez (tonight) he was scared to go for the KO when he had the opportunity, to avoid falling foul of a counter attack in this debate. For his party's sake I hope he hasn't got a Glen Johnson in his team to blow it for him near the death to grab defeat from the jaws of victory.

 

I thought Brown showed his true colours tonight = as a bully. Well I guess after yesterday his facade had been blown, so what the hell. I guess that is why he is getting both negative and positive feedback on numerous media outlets on that very issue at the moment.

I thought Clegg came across like an opportunistic spiv meets a University student debater tonight. He was lightweight compared to the big guns for the first time in three contests. But hey his Party voted and refused to support a minimum tax on alcohol in Scotland. Yet voted the very opposite way in Parliament for the rest of the country. Even though alcoholism is greater in Scotland than any other part of the UK.

 

As for "Call me Dave", I thought like Rafa Benitez (tonight) he was scared to go for the KO when he had the opportunity, to avoid falling foul of a counter attack in this debate. For his party's sake I hope he hasn't got a Glen Johnson in his team to blow it for him near the death to grab defeat from the jaws of victory.

What does that alcohol point have to do with anything? :lol:

 

I don't think you can really call Brown a bully for doing exactly what Cameron has energetically been doing to him for the previous debates...

 

Either way, I'm stunned anyone can be predicting a majority AS A RESULT of tonight's debate. I'm willing to modify my view depending on how the polls judge Brown over Bigotgate, but the public doesn't seem anywhere near confident enough in Cameron, and the Lib Dem surge has been far too strong, in order to allow a record post-war swing of 7% to the Conservatives AND a swing of 5-10% for the Lib Dems without Labour completely disintegrating to HALF what they got in 1983!