September 18, 201014 yr I'd heard about using the Falklands to get re-elected before Some on BJ would much rather have left British citizens at the mercy of a crazed psychotic dictator (Galtieri) than come to their aid No one knew what Galtieri would do, given his track record towards his own people with thousands disappearing, being murdered and being detained without charge the possibility of genocide of British citizens was high, the Falklands war was totally the right thing to do. Falklands residents were Brits
September 18, 201014 yr http://news.bbcimg.co.uk/media/images/49150000/jpg/_49150018_010211728-1.jpg DEAR GOD MY EYES. the world is coming to the end, that much evil in one place cant be good. :rolleyes: What an absurd comment. Leaving the Pope aside for a moment, Margaret Thatcher wasn't evil at all. She was the best PM we've ever had and showed an iron grit, especially when putting those greedy miners in their place. What a great Lady. Hope she gets a full State Funeral
September 18, 201014 yr You missed the bits like tax cuts, mass share ownership, enterprise culture, right to buy scheme, economic prosperity that transformed us from a country handing out the begging bowl to the IMF to become the 6th strongest economy in the world, union reforms that meant Britain could no longer be held to ransom by unions Quite right Craig. She got this country back on it's feet after the state Callaghan left it in May '79. :rolleyes:
September 18, 201014 yr :rolleyes: What an absurd comment. Leaving the Pope aside for a moment, Margaret Thatcher wasn't evil at all. She was the best PM we've ever had and showed an iron grit, especially when putting those greedy miners in their place. What a great Lady. Hope she gets a full State Funeral Which I will most certainly attend, I have only queued out in the streets overnight once before and that was for an Apple iPad and I will most certainly be doing it again if this wonderful woman gets a state send off, I hope there is a lying in state too so that we can pay our last respects at the coffin like people did with the Queen mum
September 18, 201014 yr Quite right Craig. She got this country back on it's feet after the state Callaghan left it in May '79. :rolleyes: Exactly, labour left Britain as a borderline banana republic riddled with strikes, the "sick man of Europe" as we were known as Maggie turned that mess into a thriving, prosperous global business hub and an economic powerhouse (6th most powerful economy in the world when she left power) I am old enough to remember rubbish piled up in the streets, power cuts, the dead being unburied, the army having to fight fires, British Leyland workers spending about 1hr a week at work, and thank god Maggie hammered the unions so that business could again be done in this country
September 18, 201014 yr I am old enough to remember rubbish piled up in the streets, power cuts, the dead being unburied, the army having to fight fires, British Leyland workers spending about 1hr a week at work, and thank god Maggie hammered the unions so that business could again be done in this country Yes I was 18/19 and remember all that too.
September 18, 201014 yr :rolleyes: What an absurd comment. Leaving the Pope aside for a moment, Margaret Thatcher wasn't evil at all. She was the best PM we've ever had and showed an iron grit, especially when putting those greedy miners in their place. What a great Lady. Hope she gets a full State Funeral You absolut TW*T! I will never, ever respond to a post of yours after this! Admin can give me a warning or even ban me for calling this git (I'm not even going to use his name) a TW*T .... because he is! Do you even know the devastation that was caused to these areas by men who worked hard all their lives. No ... because you're a useles git who has NEVER worked in his life! Kath Edited September 18, 201014 yr by Kathyp
September 18, 201014 yr You absolut TW*T! I will never, ever respond to a post of yours after this! Admin can give me a warning or even ban me for calling this git (I'm not even going to use his name) a TW*T .... because he is! Do you even know the devastation that was caused to these areas by men who worked hard all their lives. No ... because you're a useles git who has NEVER worked in his life! Kath We can't keep throwing good money after bad just for the sake of keeping people in jobs though, the government isn't a charity, the mines that closed were losing money hand over fist, companies were importing coal from Eastern Europe (particularly Romania) as it was cheaper to import than buy British coal as it was so overpriced, it is totally wrong to prop up lame duck industries with taxpayers cash so the closure of the mines that were losing big money was totally the right thing to do, inevitably whole communities would have been affected but it was the right thing to do as those mines that closed were never going to make any money. The coal, steel and car industries were a mess, losing money hand over fist, it was right that loss making places be shut down even if people lost jobs as a result.
September 18, 201014 yr Plus every mine that closed was offered to its workers, if the workers had any faith that the mines were going to make money they would have clubbed together and bought their mines like many groups of miners did in Nottinghamshire and Derbyshire, if the mines own workers did not have any faith in the mines when they were offered the chance to buy them why should taxpayes have faith in the mines ?
September 18, 201014 yr We can't keep throwing good money after bad just for the sake of keeping people in jobs though, the government isn't a charity, the mines that closed were losing money hand over fist, companies were importing coal from Eastern Europe (particularly Romania) as it was cheaper to import than buy British coal as it was so overpriced, it is totally wrong to prop up lame duck industries with taxpayers cash so the closure of the mines that were losing big money was totally the right thing to do, inevitably whole communities would have been affected but it was the right thing to do as those mines that closed were never going to make any money. The coal, steel and car industries were a mess, losing money hand over fist, it was right that loss making places be shut down even if people lost jobs as a result. Then you have no right EVER make blanket complaints about people signing on. Having said that, at least as you work ... you may be entitled to make comments about the work situation ... and to glorify the murderess Thatcher. But Chris? A lazy, shiftless, sponging, idler ... calling hard working men 'those greedy miners'. Anyway ... I've solved the Chris problem ... he's the one and only person in my ignore list! I don't know why everyone doesn't just put him on it. He's a wind-up merchant and Rich was absolutely right about him! Kath Edited September 18, 201014 yr by Kathyp
September 18, 201014 yr Plus every mine that closed was offered to its workers, if the workers had any faith that the mines were going to make money they would have clubbed together and bought their mines like many groups of miners did in Nottinghamshire and Derbyshire, if the mines own workers did not have any faith in the mines when they were offered the chance to buy them why should taxpayes have faith in the mines ? We're expected to have faith in the banks though? They were bankrolled by the taxpayer. Make your bloody mind up! Kath
September 18, 201014 yr Then you have no right EVER make blanket complaints about people signing on. Having said that, at least as you work ... you may be entitled to make comments about the work situation ... and to glorify the murderess Thatcher. But Chris? A lazy, shiftless, sponging, idler ... calling hard working men 'those greedy miners'. Anyway ... I've solved the Chris problem ... he's the one and only person in my ignore list! Kath I have no issue whatsoever with people that are signing on that are genuine, never have never will, my issue is with the cheats, the fakers, those that refuse to look for work, fraudsters, those working on the side etc, I have never had any issue or gripes with those that genuinely want to work and are making the effort to, my scroungers and layabouts comments etc have purely been about the cheats, fraudsters, fakers and those that have no wish to find work
September 18, 201014 yr We're expected to have faith in the banks though? They were bankrolled by the taxpayer. Make your bloody mind up! Kath The collapse of banks would have caused an economic crisis beyond our wildest nightmares not to mention serious civil disorder, in the grand scheme of things the closure of some mines doesn't compare with what would have happened had say RBS or Lloyds or any of those collapsed
September 18, 201014 yr You absolut TW*T! I will never, ever respond to a post of yours after this! Admin can give me a warning or even ban me for calling this git (I'm not even going to use his name) a TW*T .... because he is! Do you even know the devastation that was caused to these areas by men who worked hard all their lives. No ... because you're a useles git who has NEVER worked in his life! Kath I am actually originally from Barnsley, a MINING-AREA so know all about the area thank-you very much. Scargill was a TW*T who took on the Tory Government and luckily lost. What Craig says above about the mines is true. We couldn't just keep them open for the sake of it. Edited September 18, 201014 yr by Common Sense
September 18, 201014 yr :rolleyes: What an absurd comment. Leaving the Pope aside for a moment, Margaret Thatcher wasn't evil at all. She was the best PM we've ever had and showed an iron grit, especially when putting those greedy miners in their place. What a great Lady. Hope she gets a full State Funeral Why is it greedy to want to keep your job? They were fighting for their jobs, not a pay rise. I'm sure they'd be delighted to know that you think "their plsce" is the dole queue.
September 18, 201014 yr Plus every mine that closed was offered to its workers, if the workers had any faith that the mines were going to make money they would have clubbed together and bought their mines like many groups of miners did in Nottinghamshire and Derbyshire, if the mines own workers did not have any faith in the mines when they were offered the chance to buy them why should taxpayes have faith in the mines ? Spot on Craig. Answer that then Kathy instead of calling me names. As far as I can remember the mines closed in the order of those losing most money. Yes the miners wantd to keep their jobs and Scargill wanted no closures, or very few, but they weren't profitable and we were importing more and more coal from abroad and it was cheaper than British coal. I apologise for calling miners greedy as that was perhaps the wrong word. It wasn't their fault anyway but Scargill's. Edited September 18, 201014 yr by Common Sense
September 18, 201014 yr All this is off-topic anyway as this thread's supposed to be about the Pope. Wasn't me who took it off-topic either.
September 18, 201014 yr Crazy Chris makes me want to bang my head very hard against the wall. I have said nothing different about the mines to what Craig said and have apologised foir what I called the miners.
September 18, 201014 yr And for a time the miners were winning public sympathy and the PR war then a group of them thought it would be clever to drop large chunks of concrete on top of vehicles from a great height killing a taxi driver in the process and that was the moment the PR battle was lost as was public sympathy. ~Many miners turned to violence and thuggery instead of peaceful protest
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