Again, they're only centrists by the outdated Mandelson-esque tags. Whenever people are polled on the prospect of higher taxes on the wealthy, land taxes, much bigger bank taxes, all those ideas are wildly popular - they're even pretty popular among Tories, and most importantly, they're very popular among Lib Dems, which is where the new Labour leader really needs to be targeting.

 

And by the way, your idea that Ed would be too left-wing for the public doesn't explain the fact Labour have suddenly started eating into the Tories' poll lead after it was announced last weekened that Ed was the front-runner.

 

Anyone would be eating into the tories poll lead with the economy heading for the rocks and deep spending cuts on the way, I am sure every hardcore tory is sensible enough to know we are going to be as popular as a pork chop in a synagogue in the coming couple of years, even if Diane Abbott wins the Labour leadership she would get a poll lead in the next couple of years, the public sector workers that lose their jobs will inevitably take it out on us and vote for labour.

Anyone would be eating into the tories poll lead with the economy heading for the rocks and deep spending cuts on the way, I am sure every hardcore tory is sensible enough to know we are going to be as popular as a pork chop in a synagogue in the coming couple of years, even if Diane Abbott wins the Labour leadership she would get a poll lead in the next couple of years, the public sector workers that lose their jobs will inevitably take it out on us and vote for labour.

 

So then why do you think Labour couldn't win under Ed?

If Brown's policies were judged by the electorate to be a success he would have won the last election, the country voted with their feet and decided Brown could not be trusted with the economy, that in my mind is failure

The problem is they don't know how much worse things could've been - and the top level of Labour foolishly bought into the deficit hysteria and went along with the Tories plan but gave as opposition that they'd just do it a bit slower, electoral suicide. If Brown had set out WHY it was a good idea to increase the deficit to provide a safety net for the economy (as he at no point did as he was an awful communicator) in simple terms and combatted the Tories effectively on their accusations, we could well have won. As it was, he didn't.

So then why do you think Labour couldn't win under Ed?

I assume he thinks it'd be 1992 all over again...

So then why do you think Labour couldn't win under Ed?

 

Because despite what you say there won't be another general election for 5 years and the economic picture will be that much better in 5 years time, deficit conquered, likelyhood of pre election tax cuts, these next 2 years will be tough but I have no doubt at all the economy will be going good in 2015

 

 

Because despite what you say there won't be another general election for 5 years and the economic picture will be that much better in 5 years time, deficit conquered, likelyhood of pre election tax cuts, these next 2 years will be tough but I have no doubt at all the economy will be going good in 2015

 

 

People won't forgive them though Craig so will vote Labour!

People won't forgive them though Craig so will vote Labour!

 

People forgave Maggie for 3m unemployed for example, the 83 election was partly dominated by the Falklands effect but 1987 Maggie still got in again and then despite the recession and poll tax and everything Major got in in 1992

The people of this country are in many cases gullible and fickle, the governments of the day know this, throw them a tax cut sweetener before the next election they will be queueing up to give Cameron another years.

 

The deficit getting blitzed over next 3 or 4 years should open the path for spectacular tax cuts in the future

People forgave Maggie for 3m unemployed for example, the 83 election was partly dominated by the Falklands effect but 1987 Maggie still got in again and then despite the recession and poll tax and everything Major got in in 1992

 

Thatcher only won in '83 and '87 because the progressive vote split between the SDP and Labour (she had a much lower share of the vote in both 83 and 87, despite having bigger majorities). That won't happen this time, as Labour are going to be the only economically progressive party, as the Lib Dems are hardly going to be able to tell the Tories that they let the poor down at the next election.

Thatcher only won in '83 and '87 because the progressive vote split between the SDP and Labour (she had a much lower share of the vote in both 83 and 87, despite having bigger majorities). That won't happen this time, as Labour are going to be the only economically progressive party, as the Lib Dems are hardly going to be able to tell the Tories that they let the poor down at the next election.

 

I am not going to make any wild predictions as I called this year's election spectacularly wrong but I really see it being 2020 before Labour are back in power again

Yesterday's local by-election results are interesting. The Kensington & Chelsea results are a little strange. The Tories lost one safe seat to the Lib Dems and nearly lost another to Labour. The Lib Dems were slaughtered in Knowsley where the Tories did even less well while Lib Dem voters in Nottinghamshire seem to have switched to Labour to beat the Tories. The Tories' best result was in Hackney.

 

The swing in Cambridgeshire is shown as Lib Dem to Lab but the actual net shift in votes was from the Tories to Labour.

 

RESULTS

 

Bassetlaw District - Worksop South: Lab 815, C 669, Lib Dem 84.

(May 2010 - C 1823, Lab 1600).

Lab gain from C. Swing 7.9% C to Lab.

 

Cambridgeshire County - East Chesterton: Lib Dem 832, Lab 663, C 334, Green 117, Cambridge Socialists 53, Ukip 37.

(June 2009 - Lib Dem 807, C 559, Lab 339, Green 331, Ukip 220).

Lib Dem hold. Swing 6.2% Lib Dem to Lab.

 

Carlisle City - Stanwix Urban: C 888, Lab 488, Green 96, English Democrats 85.

(May 2010 - C 1935, Lab 1231, Green 452).

C hold. Swing 3.1% Lab to C.

 

Hackney London Borough - New River: C 1567, Lab 1007, Green 77, Lib Dem 61, No description 26.

(May 2010 - Three seats Lab 1659, 1574, C 1489, Lab 1450, C 1380, 1353, Lib Dem 693, Green 584, Lib Dem 456).

C hold. Swing 12.0% Lab to C.

 

Kensington and Chelsea London Borough - Cremorne: C 602, Lab 583, Lib Dem 180, Green 51, Ukip 46.

(May 2010 - Three seats C 1588, 1542, 1327, Lab 730, 728, Lib Dem 693. Lab 636, Lib Dem 620, 578, Ukip 155).

C hold. Swing 12.6% C to Lab.

 

Kensington and Chelsea London Borough - Earls Court: Lib Dem 703, C 594, Lab 151, Ind 49, Ind 29, Green 26, Ukip 18.

(May 2010 - Three seats C 1358, 1262, 1150, Lib Dem 621, 578, Lab 569, Lib Dem 560, Lab 487, Green 302, Lab 179, Ind 174).

Lib Dem gain from C. Swing 15.8% C to Lib Dem.

 

Knowsley Borough - Park: Lab 650, Lib Dem 70, C 36.

(May 2010 - Lab 2105, Lib Dem 529).

Lab hold. Swing 8.4% Lib Dem to Lab.

 

Nottinghamshire County - Worksop West: Lab 1457, C 755, Lib Dem 88, Ind 56, Ind 13.

(June 2009 - C 1403, Lab 909, Lib Dem 449).

Lab gain from C. Swing 23.7% C to Lab.

 

Preston City - Cadley: Lib Dem 721, Lab 476, C 465.

(May 2010 - Lib Dem 1270, C 901, Lab 549).

Lib Dem hold. Swing 5.8% Lib Dem to Lab.

 

 

Results from independent.co.uk

Yesterday's local by-election results are interesting. The Kensington & Chelsea results are a little strange. The Tories lost one safe seat to the Lib Dems and nearly lost another to Labour. The Lib Dems were slaughtered in Knowsley where the Tories did even less well while Lib Dem voters in Nottinghamshire seem to have switched to Labour to beat the Tories. The Tories' best result was in Hackney.

 

The swing in Cambridgeshire is shown as Lib Dem to Lab but the actual net shift in votes was from the Tories to Labour.

 

RESULTS

 

Bassetlaw District - Worksop South: Lab 815, C 669, Lib Dem 84.

(May 2010 - C 1823, Lab 1600).

Lab gain from C. Swing 7.9% C to Lab.

 

Cambridgeshire County - East Chesterton: Lib Dem 832, Lab 663, C 334, Green 117, Cambridge Socialists 53, Ukip 37.

(June 2009 - Lib Dem 807, C 559, Lab 339, Green 331, Ukip 220).

Lib Dem hold. Swing 6.2% Lib Dem to Lab.

 

Carlisle City - Stanwix Urban: C 888, Lab 488, Green 96, English Democrats 85.

(May 2010 - C 1935, Lab 1231, Green 452).

C hold. Swing 3.1% Lab to C.

 

Hackney London Borough - New River: C 1567, Lab 1007, Green 77, Lib Dem 61, No description 26.

(May 2010 - Three seats Lab 1659, 1574, C 1489, Lab 1450, C 1380, 1353, Lib Dem 693, Green 584, Lib Dem 456).

C hold. Swing 12.0% Lab to C.

 

Kensington and Chelsea London Borough - Cremorne: C 602, Lab 583, Lib Dem 180, Green 51, Ukip 46.

(May 2010 - Three seats C 1588, 1542, 1327, Lab 730, 728, Lib Dem 693. Lab 636, Lib Dem 620, 578, Ukip 155).

C hold. Swing 12.6% C to Lab.

 

Kensington and Chelsea London Borough - Earls Court: Lib Dem 703, C 594, Lab 151, Ind 49, Ind 29, Green 26, Ukip 18.

(May 2010 - Three seats C 1358, 1262, 1150, Lib Dem 621, 578, Lab 569, Lib Dem 560, Lab 487, Green 302, Lab 179, Ind 174).

Lib Dem gain from C. Swing 15.8% C to Lib Dem.

 

Knowsley Borough - Park: Lab 650, Lib Dem 70, C 36.

(May 2010 - Lab 2105, Lib Dem 529).

Lab hold. Swing 8.4% Lib Dem to Lab.

 

Nottinghamshire County - Worksop West: Lab 1457, C 755, Lib Dem 88, Ind 56, Ind 13.

(June 2009 - C 1403, Lab 909, Lib Dem 449).

Lab gain from C. Swing 23.7% C to Lab.

 

Preston City - Cadley: Lib Dem 721, Lab 476, C 465.

(May 2010 - Lib Dem 1270, C 901, Lab 549).

Lib Dem hold. Swing 5.8% Lib Dem to Lab.

Results from independent.co.uk

 

Surprised to see Hackney have such a swing to Tories, Hackney is traditionally an area full of poor people and full of immigrants neither of which are traditional tory voters

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Surprised to see Hackney have such a swing to Tories, Hackney is traditionally an area full of poor people and full of immigrants neither of which are traditional tory voters

Although the Tories did win that seat in May. Even so, it's odd to see a swing to the Tories there and two hefty swings against them in seats Kensington & Chelsea - also just 4 1/2 months after they were last contested. Of course, local by-elections are always patchy with local reasons behind some large swings but they give a good overall pattern when looked at over a period of months.

Although the Tories did win that seat in May. Even so, it's odd to see a swing to the Tories there and two hefty swings against them in seats Kensington & Chelsea - also just 4 1/2 months after they were last contested. Of course, local by-elections are always patchy with local reasons behind some large swings but they give a good overall pattern when looked at over a period of months.

 

Yeah some strange stuff going on, mind you there were some in the election too, some huge swings in parts of the NE which were not reflected nationally

Yeah some strange stuff going on, mind you there were some in the election too, some huge swings in parts of the NE which were not reflected nationally

Yep. Here, I've seen many conservatives turning back to Labour in the workplace. We did an workplace election at Durham and we got:

 

LAB: 44

GREEN: 21

CON: 10

UKIP: 7

ENGLISHD: 6

LIBDEM: 2!

Weird for the greens to be doing so well, especially when we are all on an aviation course (FLYING ON AEROPLANES)!

Yep. Here, I've seen many conservatives turning back to Labour in the workplace. We did an workplace election at Durham and we got:

 

LAB: 44

GREEN: 21

CON: 10

UKIP: 7

ENGLISHD: 6

LIBDEM: 2!

Weird for the greens to be doing so well, especially when we are all on an aviation course (FLYING ON AEROPLANES)!

 

Am guessing you work with a lot of teenagers, they tend to be all save the whale and save the rain forests and hug a polar bear or whatever the latest fads are whereas conservatives tend to be older people, I hardly know a single conservative under the age of 40

Am guessing you work with a lot of teenagers, they tend to be all save the whale and save the rain forests and hug a polar bear or whatever the latest fads are whereas conservatives tend to be older people, I hardly know a single conservative under the age of 40

18-29 year olds...

18-29 year olds...

 

Yeah had a feeling that would be the case lol judging by those voting figures

 

If your workplace was 35-65 year olds I expect there would be a healthy conservative lead

Yeah had a feeling that would be the case lol judging by those voting figures

 

If your workplace was 35-65 year olds I expect there would be a healthy conservative lead

Actually, I knocked on everydoor on my street (55 doors!) here in North Durham and asked them their age and political affiliation in Early May (before the election):

 

Conservative: 22 (average voter age (AVA) - 41)

Labour: 17 (AVA - 35)

Liberal Democrat: 8 (AVA - 28)

Green: 4 (AVA - 20)

UKIP: 2 (AVA - 33)

Trade Unionist (?): 1 (AVA - 38)

SNP (???): 1 (AVA - 75)

 

The youngest Conservative voter was 28 years old, the oldest Green party voter was 23!

 

If I could add to this:

Mum - Lib Dem

Dad - Conservative

Me - Labour

 

Pretty diverse...

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Actually, I knocked on everydoor on my street (55 doors!) here in North Durham and asked them their age and political affiliation in Early May (before the election):

 

Conservative: 22 (average voter age (AVA) - 41)

Labour: 17 (AVA - 35)

Liberal Democrat: 8 (AVA - 28)

Green: 4 (AVA - 20)

UKIP: 2 (AVA - 33)

Trade Unionist (?): 1 (AVA - 38)

SNP (???): 1 (AVA - 75)

 

The youngest Conservative voter was 28 years old, the oldest Green party voter was 23!

 

If I could add to this:

Mum - Lib Dem

Dad - Conservative

Me - Labour

 

Pretty diverse...

 

Yeah definitely fits in with what I find over here down here that older people tend to be conservative voters, the older you get infact whereas younger people (teenagers and early 20's) tend to be green and lib dem