Posted September 21, 201014 yr Lazy, drunken student sues over bad grades :rolleyes: :rolleyes: I mean seriously WTF ? a guy spends too much time drinking and not enough time studying and then takes court action under the Human Rights Act to be given a 2:1 ? further example that this retarded act should be scrapped http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-11376021 A Belfast graduate has taken his university to court after they awarded him a 2:2 degree. Andrew Croskery, from County Down, applied for a judicial review of the grade he received from Queen's University in Belfast. Mr Croskery claimed if he had received better supervision he would have obtained a 2:1, the High Court was told on Monday. A lawyer for QUB said the court was not the place to resolve the matter. Mr Croskery graduated in June with a degree in electrical engineering. His barrister claimed he had been denied a right to appeal against his classification because he had already graduated from Queen's in the summer. Tony McGleenan argued that the university's stance was not compliant with his client's human rights. "It is obviously an important case for the applicant. He avers his employment prospects have been jeopardised... in this competitive job market," he said. "It's also clearly an important case for the university." The court heard how a Board of Visitors at Queen's, whose members include two judges, considers student appeals and complaints. Nicholas Hanna QC, for Queen's, argued that the judicial review application should be dismissed as the court was not the proper forum for the challenge. "The jurisdictional issue is so clear that it is unarguable and therefore, I submit, leave should be refused," he said. The judge, Mr Justice Treacy, adjourned the case and will determine if the legal challenge can go ahead next month.
September 21, 201014 yr For once I'm lost for words here. Absolutely ridiculous. This could open the floodgates for others. :rolleyes: Edited September 21, 201014 yr by Common Sense
September 21, 201014 yr Author For once I'm lost for words here. Absolutely ridiculous. This could open the floodgates for others. :rolleyes: Exactly it sends out a message, spend your uni years drinking and being lazy instead of studying, blame the tutor instead of yourself and then take court action under the human rights act to get the grade you don't deserve :rolleyes: Supervision ? WTF ? he isn't 5 :rolleyes:
September 21, 201014 yr Note the words "applied for". The story will not be worthy of further comment unless he actually gets a judicial review.
September 21, 201014 yr Author Note the words "applied for". The story will not be worthy of further comment unless he actually gets a judicial review. The fact he is applying at all shows the retardness of the HRA No reasonable person has any objection to an act that gives people a fair trial and free from torture I have no objection to that at all but the HRA should not be a safety net for those that can't take responsibility for their own actions The country is obsessed with "blame", in his mind he clearly feels he is not at fault for not trying hard at uni and instead it is down to his lecturers for not ensuring he does the work, that blame culture and the culture that someone else is at fault shows that the HRA badly needs updating or scrapping I hope the c**t not only loses this ridiculous action but is bankrupted too by legal costs
September 21, 201014 yr TBF, a friend of mine was recently awarded a 2.2 despite achieving a 2.1 in all modules, except her supervised one - which she failed. If it's a similar case with this guy, I can fully understand why he'd be pissed off. A supervisor's job is to ensure you get the best possible grade and IF he worked for it (as my friend did) and still got a 2.2 then good on him for fighting it. Obviously I'm assuming he's good-natured as my friend is and has been treated badly - I can't see a drunken student who never got anywhere near a 2.1 in three years going to court over something like this. Craig, I also take issue with you describing him as lazy and drunken when neither is mentioned in the story? I hope you're not claiming that to be factual.
September 21, 201014 yr The fact he is applying at all shows the retardness of the HRA No reasonable person has any objection to an act that gives people a fair trial and free from torture I have no objection to that at all but the HRA should not be a safety net for those that can't take responsibility for their own actions The country is obsessed with "blame", in his mind he clearly feels he is not at fault for not trying hard at uni and instead it is down to his lecturers for not ensuring he does the work, that blame culture and the culture that someone else is at fault shows that the HRA badly needs updating or scrapping I hope the c**t not only loses this ridiculous action but is bankrupted too by legal costs This is getting very boring for me bit until this simple fact penetrates your thick skull I shall continue to repeat it. The only thing the HRA did was to allow people to take a case under the European Convention to courts in the UK rather than having to go to Strasbourg. The fact that some publicity seeking lawyer convinces someone they might have a case does not make the HRA bad law.
September 21, 201014 yr Author TBF, a friend of mine was recently awarded a 2.2 despite achieving a 2.1 in all modules, except her supervised one - which she failed. If it's a similar case with this guy, I can fully understand why he'd be pissed off. A supervisor's job is to ensure you get the best possible grade and IF he worked for it (as my friend did) and still got a 2.2 then good on him for fighting it. Obviously I'm assuming he's good-natured as my friend is and has been treated badly - I can't see a drunken student who never got anywhere near a 2.1 in three years going to court over something like this. Craig, I also take issue with you describing him as lazy and drunken when neither is mentioned in the story? I hope you're not claiming that to be factual. You do raise a valid point there, really need to see the outcome of the case The bit about lazy and drunk was a bit of an assumption as I got the impression that this case was all because he wasn't trying hard enough, having never been to uni I have not experienced this supervised stuff, thought it was just some guy that thought he could party his way through 3 years and then wanted to blame someone other than himself when it went pear shaped, I am not referring to all students as lazy and drunken, ones I know personally are very hard working.
September 21, 201014 yr Author This is getting very boring for me bit until this simple fact penetrates your thick skull I shall continue to repeat it. The only thing the HRA did was to allow people to take a case under the European Convention to courts in the UK rather than having to go to Strasbourg. The fact that some publicity seeking lawyer convinces someone they might have a case does not make the HRA bad law. We should opt out of the HRA except for chapters related to torture and a fair trial, we should tell the EU either opt us out of certain areas of the HRA or we will pull out of the HRA altogether. Edited September 21, 201014 yr by I ❤ JustinBieber
September 21, 201014 yr We should opt out of the HRA except for chapters related to torture and a fair trial, we should tell the EU either opt us out of certain areas of the HRA or we will pull out of the HRA altogether. So you'd like the UK to be slightly better than Belarus, the only European country not a signatory to the Convention? Wow, that will win the UK a lot of respect won't it?
September 21, 201014 yr Author So you'd like the UK to be slightly better than Belarus, the only European country not a signatory to the Convention? Wow, that will win the UK a lot of respect won't it? If it means cases like this and prisoner's food etc don't waste valuable money and court time yes Opting out of the non essential parts of the HRA will not mean detention without trial, torture, genocide but it will mean common sense and people having to take responsibility for their own actions again
September 21, 201014 yr We should opt out of the HRA except for chapters related to torture and a fair trial, we should tell the EU either opt us out of certain areas of the HRA or we will pull out of the HRA altogether. So here are some of the rights granted by the Convention which you seem happy to sacrifice Article II - the right to life Article IV - prohibition of slavery or forces labour Article V - right to liberty and security Article VII - no punishment without law Article VIII - right to respect for private and family life Article IX - freedom of thought, conscience and religion Article X - freedom of expression Article XI - freedom of assembly and association Article XII - right to marry Article XIII - right to an effective remedy Article XIV - prohibition of discrimination Perhaps you'd like to explain why. Incidentally, I can't see which of the above Articles this graduate is proposing to use in his case.
September 21, 201014 yr Author So here are some of the rights granted by the Convention which you seem happy to sacrifice Article II - the right to life Article IV - prohibition of slavery or forces labour *Within Reason* Article V - right to liberty and security Article VII - no punishment without law Article VIII - right to respect for private and family life Article IX - freedom of thought, conscience and religion Article X - freedom of expression Article XI - freedom of assembly and association *Within Reason* Article XII - right to marry Article XIII - right to an effective remedy Article XIV - prohibition of discrimination -*Within Reason* Perhaps you'd like to explain why. Incidentally, I can't see which of the above Articles this graduate is proposing to use in his case. I have bolded the ones I am comfortable with There are loony cases almost every single day in the media and not just the Daily Mail so whatever clauses there are that loony cases are bought need closing, they clog up the system with rubbish meaning genuine reasonable cases can take years, it is in everyone's interest to reform the HRA minus the loopy stuff
September 21, 201014 yr I have bolded the ones I am comfortable with There are loony cases almost every single day in the media and not just the Daily Mail so whatever clauses there are that loony cases are bought need closing, they clog up the system with rubbish meaning genuine reasonable cases can take years, it is in everyone's interest to reform the HRA minus the loopy stuff But how many of these cases have actually even got as far as a court? Most of the wilder cases reported in the press don't get anywhere near court but somehow the likes of the Daily Wail never report that.
September 21, 201014 yr You do raise a valid point there, really need to see the outcome of the case The bit about lazy and drunk was a bit of an assumption as I got the impression that this case was all because he wasn't trying hard enough, having never been to uni I have not experienced this supervised stuff, thought it was just some guy that thought he could party his way through 3 years and then wanted to blame someone other than himself when it went pear shaped, I am not referring to all students as lazy and drunken, ones I know personally are very hard working. Herein lies your whole problem - you make ASSUMPTIONS about specific cases and not base them on the facts of the individual cases.... I can well believe that perhaps there was a problem with Supervision because I've seen several of examples of LECTURERS being drunk, lazy b'astards who let their students down badly, I work in Universities and I see how badly the administration and bureaucracy, etc can let students down, particularly disabled students, some of whom have had to give up their courses because of bad planning and mistakes made by the universities or Student Finance England..... I agree with Suedehead, your idiotic objections to HRA are extremely BORING.... We need the HRA given that we lack a written Constitution and Bill of Rights....
September 21, 201014 yr Lazy, drunken student sues over bad grades :rolleyes: :rolleyes: I mean seriously WTF ? a guy spends too much time drinking and not enough time studying and then takes court action under the Human Rights Act to be given a 2:1 ? further example that this retarded act should be scrapped http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-11376021 A Belfast graduate has taken his university to court after they awarded him a 2:2 degree. Andrew Croskery, from County Down, applied for a judicial review of the grade he received from Queen's University in Belfast. Mr Croskery claimed if he had received better supervision he would have obtained a 2:1, the High Court was told on Monday. A lawyer for QUB said the court was not the place to resolve the matter. Mr Croskery graduated in June with a degree in electrical engineering. His barrister claimed he had been denied a right to appeal against his classification because he had already graduated from Queen's in the summer. Tony McGleenan argued that the university's stance was not compliant with his client's human rights. "It is obviously an important case for the applicant. He avers his employment prospects have been jeopardised... in this competitive job market," he said. "It's also clearly an important case for the university." The court heard how a Board of Visitors at Queen's, whose members include two judges, considers student appeals and complaints. Nicholas Hanna QC, for Queen's, argued that the judicial review application should be dismissed as the court was not the proper forum for the challenge. "The jurisdictional issue is so clear that it is unarguable and therefore, I submit, leave should be refused," he said. The judge, Mr Justice Treacy, adjourned the case and will determine if the legal challenge can go ahead next month. Right, at what point in the article does it at all say that he's 'lazy and drunken'? Stop making such ridiculous assumptions and generalisations Craig, it just degrades your already-weak arguments.
October 12, 201014 yr The university have agreed to review his grade. Some facts missing from the original article put the story in context. First, he missed out on a 2:1 by just one half of one per cent. His case under the HRA was that he had a right to ask for a review. With the mark so close to a 2:1 that is surely reasonable. I was contacted yesterday about a job where one of the requirements was a 2:1 or better even though I graduated nearly 30 years ago so it could affect his future career at any stage.
November 1, 201014 yr Despite anyone arguing that it could/never actually happened. The fact this guy considered it in the first place just goes to show how backwards and disasterous this country, and America for that matter are getting. I'm all for human rights, but this is taking the biscuit!
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