Oh thanks for clearing this, I didn't know how the iTunes chart actually work ;)

I should add that when a 2-track single is on pre-order, it will appear on the iTunes Album chart.

 

As soon as it's 00:01am on release day, all those sales appear on the iTunes Top 100 songs, hence extremely high iTunes debuts for some artists.

 

 

 

Sales of 2 track singles have always been dumped into the iTunes Top 100 songs.

 

Assuming they sell enough, of course... :P

 

I thought there was going to be a Kirsty MacColl/Pogues campaign this year. That might have been more successful.

 

I'd have certainly supported that!

^^no real point, too many have it to get it to sell 500k in one week which is what it would have to have done to get no1.it would have just went top 10!!

 

didn't rage last year go 1 - 2 - 38 - out :blink:

 

 

you didnt read what i said, i didnt mention chart run i said 'chart battle'.completely different thing!!

 

Doesn't look like John Cage is going to get past #29 on iTunes.

 

 

Rage vs. Joe wasn't that exciting really. There's been much more exciting chart battles recently (e.g. Telephone vs. Pass Out, or even something like Check It Out vs. Higher), it's just that the media wasn't talking about it. It was very obvious from Tuesday onwards Joe wasn't going to win that week.

 

That Christmas #1 chart battle was memorable because it was all over the news the whole week. However, the outcome was actually quite predictable from early on in the week, to be honest.

Rage vs. Joe wasn't that exciting really. There's been much more exciting chart battles recently (e.g. Telephone vs. Pass Out, or even something like Check It Out vs. Higher), it's just that the media wasn't talking about it. It was very obvious from Tuesday onwards Joe wasn't going to win that week.

 

Joe had nearly caught RATM again by Friday, the general assumption was Joe would win unless the late surge of downloads for the Live version of KITN / Ovi downloads were enough for RATM to retain a tiny lead. It was pretty much a huge shock to everyone when RATM finished 50k ahead.

S&M up to #71! :o Are all of Rihanna's songs going to chart insanely early this era? We got Only Girl like 2 months after the rest of the world, but What's My Name? started charting in the UK before most other places, and I'm pretty sure S&M is higher on UK iTunes than most other countries at the moment.

 

And I think Love the Way You Lie will leave the top 40 (officially) this week. :( It's #38 in the mid-weeks and #40 on iTunes now, and I've noticed it's been charting much lower officially than it has been on iTunes in the past few weeks.

Rage vs. Joe wasn't that exciting really. There's been much more exciting chart battles recently (e.g. Telephone vs. Pass Out, or even something like Check It Out vs. Higher), it's just that the media wasn't talking about it. It was very obvious from Tuesday onwards Joe wasn't going to win that week.

 

That Christmas #1 chart battle was memorable because it was all over the news the whole week. However, the outcome was actually quite predictable from early on in the week, to be honest.

 

 

you think??the fact that the chart was in the news all that week shows how memorable the chart battle was.outside of these forums people look at the chart in a much more simplistic way.

 

i dont think it was obvious from the tuesday??sure joes cd came out wed and thats what made it sooo close - by friday the gap was reduced to only 6k and the saturday was the biggest day of the year for shopping - so i for one was totally shocked when rage got the no1 on the chart show!!!!

Well, I thought it was obvious anyway. It might've just been the people I socialize with during the week and stuff, but pretty much everybody was supporting Rage (although I guess that's teenagers for you, just doing anything vaguely rebellious). And once they started mentioning it on the news, and Simon Cowell was being interviewed about it and stuff, I thought there was just no way they could lose. That's absolutely incredible promotion for a song, if you think about it. Then there was stations like Radio 1 and Kerrang who LOVED the campaign, the former because they're in competition with ITV, the latter because they hate pop, RnB, hip hop and dance music, so by extension hate the charts, and hate Simon Cowell, so they were very strongly encouraging the listeners to download Rage.

 

I dunno, I just thought, given the circumstances, there'd be no way they'd let X Factor win. Plus, a lot of people I know in real life didn't like Joe, as a person, so it also served as a bit of an anti-Joe campaign for them too. But yeah, I think once they announced on the news that RATM were actually beating Joe, I remember thinking "That's it, we're gonna have a rock song at #1 :(" :lol:.

 

But with other chart battles, like Tinie Tempah vs. Lady Gaga, or David Guetta vs. B.o.B, I literally did not have a clue who would win, until it was announced (although in the 2nd chart battle, David Guetta leaked that he was #1 beforehand). There was minimal media attention in those chart battles, but they were far closer, and involved songs that I actually cared about. The Climb and Killing in the Name were both pretty dreadful, tbh. One of the worst top 2s I can think of from recent years (even worse than BEPs and Willow :lol:).

It may have been on the news or whatever and all that media attention, but that clearly made no difference considering Joe was catching RATM by the day! :lol: It was the planned surge of downloads on Saturday that won it for them mainly. Saying that it was at all predictable is beyond ridiculous.

 

Not to mention the RATM vs Joe battle actually meant something - people all going behind one record to make a point against the bland X Factor monopoly of the charts. David Guetta vs B.o.B meant nothing except that Guetta proved he can release any old crock of $h!t, stick a big name on it and get to #1. I'm surprised anybody cared about that battle, I certainly didn't!

didn't rage last year go 1 - 2 - 38 - out :blink:

 

Not half a bad chart run for an 18 year old song. The fact it only dropped to No. 2 the next week says a lot about how many people legitimately enjoyed the track as well as the campaign.

Not half a bad chart run for an 18 year old song. The fact it only dropped to No. 2 the next week says a lot about how many people legitimately enjoyed the track as well as the campaign.

 

pull the other one, you can say that about songs like don't stop believing and adele this year, as once the songs got big exposure they sustained impressive chart runs. but only 3 weeks in the top 40 for a song that made the headlines to millions of people through the papers, news, t.v and the xmas number 1, show the song was selling on hype and the battle not peoples love/like of the song.

pull the other one, you can say that about songs like don't stop believing and adele this year, as once the songs got big exposure they sustained impressive chart runs. but only 3 weeks in the top 40 for a song that made the headlines to millions of people through the papers, news, t.v and the xmas number 1, show the song was selling on hype and the battle not peoples love/like of the song.

To be fair, that's hardly a fair comparison. Journey were completely played to death on commercial radio (not sure about Adele though). On the other hand, RATM is a rap metal song with swearing all over the place. Hardly the type of record that commercial radio are going to touch :lol:

 

It needed extra exposure to stay high up in the charts. The campaign success was only going to keep it up for a week. The mainstream media's stance against songs of that ilk is why it fell so fast...

Not half a bad chart run for an 18 year old song. The fact it only dropped to No. 2 the next week says a lot about how many people legitimately enjoyed the track as well as the campaign.

 

I'm pretty sure many songs could sell as much as RATM in their post-#1 weeks if they had so much promotion. Like seriously, the promotion that RATM had is something that could only be dreamed about by other artists. Not many people can hope to get their songs discussed for hours a day on the radio, and get articles about their songs in the Newspaper, etc. Plus, Simon Cowell not liking a song is also fantastic promotion! :lol:

 

Likewize, this can be said about the Many of Horror situation we have this week. People can keep whining about how the original didn't get popular, and that the public must be idiots brain-washed by Simon Cowell now that they're buying a cover version in the masses, but ignored the original, but I'm pretty sure the original would sold a lot if it had the promotion Matt's version had. The X Factor is a great way of getting an artist as MASSIVE fanbase, as 15 million people are watching the person sing every weekend for over 2 months, and it all leads up to that single. With that promotion, most songs would sell very well, whether Simon Cowell is involved or not. Now the next step is getting Matt to maintain his fanbase, and draw in more casual fans.

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pull the other one, you can say that about songs like don't stop believing and adele this year, as once the songs got big exposure they sustained impressive chart runs. but only 3 weeks in the top 40 for a song that made the headlines to millions of people through the papers, news, t.v and the xmas number 1, show the song was selling on hype and the battle not peoples love/like of the song.

 

You can't compare a classic-rock song with pop influences like "Don't Stop Believing" (performed on X-Factor as well), or an artist like Adele, to a rap-metal song with hugely explicit lyrics.

 

Ultimately RATM are never going to appeal to as many people as those artists in the singles charts, so the fact that they only dropped to No. 2 the next week says a lot about the strength of the song.

 

There's a myth that perpetuates, particularly in the UK, that metal music is only liked by this small, strange minority. That's a ludicrous notion, as evidenced by the massive live gigs and album sales of metal acts. Iron Maiden's latest album went to No. 1 in 30 countries - and from what I can tell, Rihanna's latest album went to No. 1 in 2 countries. Metal and harder rock music has a massive, loyal following, and that following - in no small part - were the ones who got RATM to No. 1 last year.

pull the other one, you can say that about songs like don't stop believing and adele this year, as once the songs got big exposure they sustained impressive chart runs. but only 3 weeks in the top 40 for a song that made the headlines to millions of people through the papers, news, t.v and the xmas number 1, show the song was selling on hype and the battle not peoples love/like of the song.

 

but its still in the itunes top 1000 currently and hasn't left, no matter why it was selling THEN, the song is a true classic of its genre and will continue to sell on merit- the 2009 race just brought it back into the public eye

 

and Rage and Joe was the best chart battle we've had in ages- it got people who weren't interested in the charts becoming engaged with them, I certainly didnt find it predictable- I was certain Joe had it on Friday- when I heard Rage won by 50k, I was SO happy :dance:

I hate people who snob rock music.

I LOVE LOVE LOVE Cheryl Cole :wub: :wub: :wub:

I LOVE LOVE LOVE Cheryl Cole :wub: :wub: :wub:

 

Great, that's a good start. Now talk about how she's doing on iTunes.

 

(ie not great :kink:)

Any sign of Pixie Lott's 'Can't Make This Over' in the top 1000? :)