Vinyl/CDs are for music lovers..... downloads are for casual music observers. Definitely not for me.

 

I agree, though I do download if I just want a single track, but I would never dream of downloading a whole album that I could buy in it's physical format.

I really need to visit your shop

 

You must! :D I am moving premises soon actually, into the Royal Arcade in Boscombe.. next to the Post Office and opposite Cafe Nero! I will have a LOT more stock, having just bought a job lot of 2000 LP's/45's, and will also be doing CD's :) It's a two-story unit so my brother in law is running upstairs (new) and I'll be downstairs (vintage). Should be open in around 3 weeks!

I got a record player about 6 years ago when I was 13, after we came across my parents old record collections in the loft. There used to be an amazing used vinyl shop near me and I used to save my pocket money up for weeks on end then go and spend it all on Michael Jackson & Madonna records. I still listen them to all but I haven't brought any records for ages now and I'd really like to get a better quality turntable.

I think vinyl/downloading sort of go hand in hand. Downloading forces vinyl reissues / newer albums to be packaged more intricately and be more interesting. I also think illegal downloading is one of the big reasons vinyl has become much more of a 'thing' as of late; if you're going to illegally download an album anyway, why buy it on CD when you can get it on vinyl? It's much more satisfying to purchase something large, especially if you'll do most of your listening to it via MP3/computer. And you actually feel like you're listening to something when you're using a record player rather than just popping a CD into your laptop and picking and choosing songs.

i don't collect them or anything but i do like them and like making art out of them by scratching into the vinyl

 

we have a load in the loft from my mum and dad of people like bowie and gary numan but i don't wanna use those ones cos they're too nice so i just buy them from charity shops. got some right good ones from routing around charity shops in my time!

I think vinyl/downloading sort of go hand in hand. Downloading forces vinyl reissues / newer albums to be packaged more intricately and be more interesting. I also think illegal downloading is one of the big reasons vinyl has become much more of a 'thing' as of late; if you're going to illegally download an album anyway, why buy it on CD when you can get it on vinyl? It's much more satisfying to purchase something large, especially if you'll do most of your listening to it via MP3/computer. And you actually feel like you're listening to something when you're using a record player rather than just popping a CD into your laptop and picking and choosing songs.

 

this.

 

Someone said in this thread how downloading is for casual listeners, but I agree with Ben that they go hand in hand, for a start with downloading you can find rare stuff, and have basically everything you could want with a few clicks, obviously not as obsolete for vinyl, but i want to listen to as much as i can, can't afford to buy every single album i wouldnt mind listening to, downloading allows this to happen, helps me discover more and build a massive collection, and at times leads me to buying certain albums on vinyl.

To be honest I find the whole downloading is for casual listeners to be sanctimonious and snobby twaddle. I now listen to all of my music on mp3 but that does not mean I don't listen to music like an obsessive 16 year old still. It's all to do with the person who is listening. The person who listens fully attentively will do it regardless of the format. There has always been the single and the radio for the casual listener as there have always been coffee table albums for thos who just stick stuff on to fill in the background

The love of music comes down to the look, feel...even the smell...of a new record - scouring the sleeve, the lyrics, checking the artwork...... none of these you can really do with downloading, so I absolutely stick to my statement that real music lovers buy 'product' as opposed to the ones who just get their credit card out for a few songs... or the ones who sneak around robbing what they can from illegal download sites. There's always been so, so much more to being a music obsessive than simply listening to the music.

The love of music comes down to the look, feel...even the smell...of a new record - scouring the sleeve, the lyrics, checking the artwork...... none of these you can really do with downloading, so I absolutely stick to my statement that real music lovers buy 'product' as opposed to the ones who just get their credit card out for a few songs... or the ones who sneak around robbing what they can from illegal download sites. There's always been so, so much more to being a music obsessive than simply listening to the music.

 

Sorry, can't agree with this. I've been into music since the late 1970s, graduated from cassettes through 7" & 12" singles, LPs, CDs and now mp3s. I must have thousands of vinyl and hundreds of CDs, and play several hours of music a day. I don't give a stuff about the sleeve or artwork, it's the music itself for me. I'd be hard pressed to describe the cover of 99% of the music I own, and I also don't watch vidoes very much either. Give me just the music and I'm happy.

 

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Richard

I still have loads of Vinyl and would never part from them. :cheer:

I don't give a stuff about the sleeve or artwork, it's the music itself for me. I'd be hard pressed to describe the cover of 99% of the music I own, Richard

 

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The love of music comes down to the look, feel...even the smell...of a new record.

 

the love of music comes down to the actual music, not everyone has the funds to buy vinyl let alone get a record player/a receiver

 

i buy vinyl for the artwork / the sake of physically having it / awesome shared listening with friends but the majority of my music listening is done on mp3 / the computer

 

ain't nuthin wrong with that

Well, I've also become a convert to the "Digital Revolution" (although, surely the Digital Revolution really began with CD, as that is itself a digital format), and I DARE anyone to say that I'm not a "true music fan"... Firstly, MP3s make my life a hell of a lot easier when I'm DJing, I can do everything off a lap-top with Tracktor or Virtual DJ, "Sacrilege" I hear people say, well, I'm sure that was said when CD decks were making their ways into clubs in the 1990s.... And, actually, with Tracktor, you can be seriously creative in beat-matching, live mixing and so-on... And, I can travel anywhere with my ENTIRE music collection of well over 2000 albums on my lap-top (which weighs less than 2kg), yeah, try doing THAT with physical formats, you'd need fukkin' VAN as opposed to just getting on the bus or a tube with your laptop, not to mention the fact that flight-cases of CDs or vinyl weigh significantly more than 2kg.... :lol:

 

So, sorry guys, I have absolutely no issues with MP3s, I think it's a great format, and it's easily the format I use by far the most these days, I have a 16gig Smart-phone with about 100 albums on it, I constantly listen to music when on the bus or the tube, or just out walking, so I am not going to entertain any notions at all that somehow listening to MP3s makes you any less of a music fan, that's an argument based on the worst kind of elitism and snobbery as far as I'm concerned... Art-work is great, it can augment the whole package, true, but one can actually download high-definition JPEGs of a lot of album art-work, or look at lyrics posted online....

the love of music comes down to the actual music, not everyone has the funds to buy vinyl let alone get a record player/a receiver

 

i buy vinyl for the artwork / the sake of physically having it / awesome shared listening with friends but the majority of my music listening is done on mp3 / the computer

 

ain't nuthin wrong with that

 

 

Well, I've also become a convert to the "Digital Revolution" (although, surely the Digital Revolution really began with CD, as that is itself a digital format), and I DARE anyone to say that I'm not a "true music fan"... Firstly, MP3s make my life a hell of a lot easier when I'm DJing, I can do everything off a lap-top with Tracktor or Virtual DJ, "Sacrilege" I hear people say, well, I'm sure that was said when CD decks were making their ways into clubs in the 1990s.... And, actually, with Tracktor, you can be seriously creative in beat-matching, live mixing and so-on... And, I can travel anywhere with my ENTIRE music collection of well over 2000 albums on my lap-top (which weighs less than 2kg), yeah, try doing THAT with physical formats, you'd need fukkin' VAN as opposed to just getting on the bus or a tube with your laptop, not to mention the fact that flight-cases of CDs or vinyl weigh significantly more than 2kg.... :lol:

 

So, sorry guys, I have absolutely no issues with MP3s, I think it's a great format, and it's easily the format I use by far the most these days, I have a 16gig Smart-phone with about 100 albums on it, I constantly listen to music when on the bus or the tube, or just out walking, so I am not going to entertain any notions at all that somehow listening to MP3s makes you any less of a music fan, that's an argument based on the worst kind of elitism and snobbery as far as I'm concerned... Art-work is great, it can augment the whole package, true, but one can actually download high-definition JPEGs of a lot of album art-work, or look at lyrics posted online....

 

this and this.

 

 

to say my dad who downloads far more music illegally than buys these days, has more vinyl than can fit in his house, and has 800GB of music on his computer, so because now he 90% of the time downloads music, rather than buy it on vinyl, this makes him less of a music fan? like f*** does it.

 

Not everyone can afford to buy everything physically, or the time to, i download a lot of stuff i wouldnt have brought and then ended up loving, if i brought everything i downloaded i would be a lot more poorer than I already am, and the fact i consume that amount of music could make me more of a music obsessive than one who buys three LP's a month.

 

Obviously I perfer having things on vinyl but the fact is my collection these days is basically digital, and it gets added to every day, and bollocks if listening to hours and hours of music all day digitally makes me less of a music fan than someone who spends his time smelling a vinyl rather than listening to the music,

I like looking for the tiny hand-made engravings near the centre of some pieces of vinyl.

I like looking for the tiny hand-made engravings near the centre of some pieces of vinyl.

Ah, yes, there have been some gems. Try doing that with a download :lol:

Chris... true music fans do not steal music - end of.

 

And this chatter of DJing with CD players and MP3s? Yes... sacrilege. Absolutely. I've DJ'd for over 20 years - CDs and MP3s are a ghastly, cop-out alternative to vinyl. But they're handy for people who aren't very good DJs, I give you that.

Chris... true music fans do not steal music - end of.

 

And this chatter of DJing with CD players and MP3s? Yes... sacrilege. Absolutely. I've DJ'd for over 20 years - CDs and MP3s are a ghastly, cop-out alternative to vinyl. But they're handy for people who aren't very good DJs, I give you that.

 

And with the snobbery again Russ.... I DJ because I love music, not to make money out of a scene and act like a fukkin' primadonna who thinks they're "entitled" (Christ knows there's very little money to be made out of the Goth/Alt/Industrial scene anyway, there's none of us rich and we all have day-jobs, so, heck, it MUST be love. I mean, why the heck else would I be going to Ipswich next month to help out a few mates running a fledgling Alternative night?)......

 

Well, far be it from me to stop you from getting a double hernia carrying all these flight cases around.... :-p

 

As for having a go at Chris for stealing music, well, sorry mate, you can only cast that particular stone if you've never, ever, EVER had a mate tape an album for you or burn a CD. And I somehow doubt any of us can make that claim.....

Chris... true music fans do not steal music - end of.

 

And this chatter of DJing with CD players and MP3s? Yes... sacrilege. Absolutely. I've DJ'd for over 20 years - CDs and MP3s are a ghastly, cop-out alternative to vinyl. But they're handy for people who aren't very good DJs, I give you that.

 

Sorry but f*** you, I go to about 3 gigs a month, been to festivals every year for the last 5, first thing i do when i wake up is put music on, i listen to music all through the day, 90% of the t-shirts i own are brought from gigs, my walls are covered in pictures of bands, i have about 500 CD's and probaly around the same amount in vinyl, but yet all this is invalid because I steal a few albums a week TO DISCOVER MUSIC, yeah I'm really not a true music fan am i, and i guess neither is my dad who has been collecting music since he was my age and at the momment can't afford to buy music so downloads it, yeah after his 35 years of collecting music and travelling to record fairs he isnt a true music fan because he downloads.

 

you really do sprout some $h!t sometimes.

Sorry but f*** you, I go to about 3 gigs a month, been to festivals every year for the last 5, first thing i do when i wake up is put music on, i listen to music all through the day, 90% of the t-shirts i own are brought from gigs, my walls are covered in pictures of bands, i have about 500 CD's and probaly around the same amount in vinyl, but yet all this is invalid because I steal a few albums a week TO DISCOVER MUSIC, yeah I'm really not a true music fan am i, and i guess neither is my dad who has been collecting music since he was my age and at the momment can't afford to buy music so downloads it, yeah after his 35 years of collecting music and travelling to record fairs he isnt a true music fan because he downloads.

 

you really do sprout some $h!t sometimes.

 

Quite

 

And also, the fact of the matter is ARTISTS EARN FUKK-ALL MONEY OFF OF ALBUMS OR SINGLES anyway.... -_- The bloody record company takes the vast majority of it, so, if we wanna talk about thievery here..... I'd be far less inclined to illegally download if I thought the band was getting the most money off of it, but they don't, so I'm buggered if I'm gonna make some fat-cat record company men rich. In the days when you had the genuine, small, independent labels, then it was a done deal to support them, but when you look very carefully between the lines these days, most "indies" are owned and controlled by the the big corporations like Sony, Warners, Universal, etc, totally the reverse of the "Indie" ethos.....

 

Bands earn by far the most money off tours, merchandising, etc. I pay to go to gigs, I dont buy bootleg merch, so I'm definitely "doing my bit" ....