I agree with people like flat & Tom. I like the system as it is, I like how it's different to the UK system and people who want the sales chart, they can look at the Digital Chart.

 

Oh, and I like how this system makes the chart less predictable, you can't just go by iTunes positions.

Edited April 8, 201114 yr by Jaack Sykes

Of course there's the interest because record companies use them when they promote things but I believe people don't buy a song or an album because it's doing well on charts or do they?

 

I'm sure at least some people look at the charts, see a song they haven't heard which is doing well, listen to it, decide they like it and download it.

Yes, they were because more people were compelled tp buy them on their given weeks than any other song.

 

Yea, they sold the most those weeks but you can't say Elvis was the defining act of 04-05.

 

The brilliance of Hot 100 is that it's always reflected the general musical climate whether the majority of points come from sales or airplay.

Edited April 8, 201114 yr by SKOB

I believe the only true way of judging a songs true popularity with the public are sales.

Yea, they sold the most those weeks but you can't say Elvis was the defining act of 04-05.

 

The brilliance of Hot 100 is that it's always reflected the general musical climate whether the majority of points come from sales or airplay.

 

But you're saying the musical tastes of radio producers who make up a tiny proportion of the population is a reflection of the 'general music climate'? How does that make any sense at all? Loads of people knowing about a song through airplay does NOT make that song popular. There's a difference between well-known and popular. The BBH100 is supposed to be about popularity, so it should be based on sales and streaming, if not sales alone. Airplay should not play any role in a list of the most popular songs of the moment. It's completely illogical.

So you're saying that the most played songs in the US might be the ones people there don't want to hear?

 

In general, I don't see the problem here. Every country has their own charts and their own chart history and legacy. Billboard have dozens of charts (even a chart for acts who haven't charted) and Hot 100 happens to be the most followed one. Why it should be sales chart when there are several charts which measure only sales? I don't get it.

Edited April 8, 201114 yr by SKOB

So you're saying that the most played songs in the US might be the ones people there don't want to hear?

 

In general, I don't see the problem here. Every country has their own charts and their own chart history and legacy. Billboard have dozens of charts (even a chart for acts who haven't charted) and Hot 100 happens to be the most followed one. Why it should be sales chart when there are several charts which measure only sales? I don't get it.

Yeah but how many people would be that bothered to buy a copy of billboard and find out what was number in the digital chart for Andorran nose flute players. The only chart that is really generally taken notice of is the Hot100 and to think that any national chart doesn't govern what gets picked up on by the general public is a bit short-sighted.

 

The other problem I have with Billboard (like the grammies) is the rediculous number of charts that they produce (hence my comment in the paragraph above.)

So you're saying that the most played songs in the US might be the ones people there don't want to hear?

 

Yes, that is exactly what I'm saying.

Yes, that is exactly what I'm saying.

 

That is my problem with this being the main chart. Radio plays do not = popularity IMO.

Well, airplay doesn't mean plays in the US. It's audience impressions what really counts. Every radio has its coverage, and has a formula to measure its (average) audience at the time the song is played. The number of plays is then multiplied with the average audience which gives the final number of impressions of the song on certain station. It's similar how TV programs' popularity is measured nowadays.

Well, airplay doesn't mean plays in the US. It's audience impressions what really counts. Every radio has its coverage, and has a formula to measure its (average) audience at the time the song is played. The number of plays is then multiplied with the average audience which gives the final number of impressions of the song on certain station. It's similar how TV programs' popularity is measured nowadays.

 

But people surely don't turn off the radio when a song they don't particularly like is on. They just wait for it to be over and hope the next song is better. That's what I'd do anyway unless the song was Chasing Cars or anything by Justin Bieber...

Edited April 8, 201114 yr by Bray

But people surely don't turn off the radio when a song they don't particularly like is on. They just wait for it to be over and hope the next song is better. That's what I'd do anyway unless the song was Chasing Cars or anything by Justin Bieber...

 

:D actually I like Chasing Cars and Justin Bieber has good songs too ;) (but I can't stand radios mostly because of human speech)

 

I know what you mean but this formula seems to be accepted in the US (and by me too ;)) and it's the best way to measure popularity of the songs on radio.

:D actually I like Chasing Cars and Justin Bieber has good songs too ;) (but I can't stand radios mostly because of human speech)

 

I know what you mean but this formula seems to be accepted in the US (and by me too ;)) and it's the best way to measure popularity of the songs on radio.

 

I don't have a problem with there being an airplay chart, but it should be how it is in the UK with the sales chart and the airplay chart being separate and more emphasis being put on the sales chart. (I'm aware there are separate charts in the USA for sales and airplay but the main chart incorporates both)

:D actually I like Chasing Cars and Justin Bieber has good songs too ;) (but I can't stand radios mostly because of human speech)

 

I know what you mean but this formula seems to be accepted in the US (and by me too ;)) and it's the best way to measure popularity of the songs on radio.

 

"Chasing Cars" is a great song, a modern classic. But Justin Bieber is :puke2: (x100). I hope he does a duet with Rebecca Black so they can both lose their popularity and their career (not so much with RB as she doesn't even HAVE a career) due to everyone puking when they hear it and no-one buying their songs and albums.

 

Back on topic, airplay is good for measuring popularity. Airplay is a key promotion tool because if I made a song and it wasn't ever played on the radio, who would buy it? The answer is no-one, of course for a popular person the answer would be "a few thousand" or however large their fanbase is, but fanbase buys alone isn't enough to get a song popular. If a song is played lots on the radio and millions are listening to it, surely it must be popular, and people will go to download it. As much as I'd like to see a sales-only chart for US the system they have now is good. If a song gets lots of sales but doesn't have much airplay, it isn't as popular as the number 2 sales song which is on the radio all the time. US charts are good at showing popularity, it is good for stopping frontloaded number ones although that hasn't been the case this last year

Edited April 8, 201114 yr by danielGaGa

US charts are good at showing popularity

I also think so... :yahoo:

 

I believe airplay is important and should have an impact on the charts but I think the Hot 100 should definitely lean more on sales . As they are more a reflection of consumers actual purchasing habits which is the reason that there are charts to begin with .

 

The problem with Radio airplay counted towards the charts is that many US radio stations are very biased as to what kind of music/artists that they play. So an artist that gets tons of airplay but may not necessarily sell well but has a kick ass promo team will end up charting higher than artist who doesnt recieve alot of airplay but excellent sales.

 

Radio is not always very kind to struggling new artists/acts and even older more established acts that are past their mainstream prime but with huge fan bases.

Edited April 8, 201114 yr by ericinatlanta

Airplay can only be said to measure a song's popularity if the actual audience each time the song is played can be measured. That means knowing the number of people who tune into another station and the number of people who use the mute button.

 

Ultimately though, a song's popularity is best measured by the number of people prepared to pay for it.

1. Lady Gaga, "Born This Way." The song logs its fifth straight week at #1. Digital sales rank: #3 (176K).

 

2. Cee Lo Green's "F**k You (Forget You)." The song holds at #2 for the fourth straight week in its 29th week on the chart. This is its sixth week in the top 10. Digital sales rank: #6 (157K).

 

3. Katy Perry featuring Kanye West, "E.T." The song jumps from #8 to #3 in its fifth week on the chart. This is its third week in the top 10. Digital sales rank: #1 (216K).

 

4. Rihanna, "S&M." The song dips from #3 to #4 in its ninth week on the chart. This is its fifth week in the top 10. Digital sales rank: #4 (168K).

 

5. Jennifer Lopez featuring Pitbull, "On The Floor." The song holds at #5 for the second week in its third week on the chart. It has been in the top 10 the entire time. Digital sales rank: #2 (215K).

 

 

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Sales advantage of ET over Born This way: 40,000

Sales advantage of On The Floor over Born this Way: 39,000

 

ET ends up at #3 and On the Floor #5.

 

Why? Both has low airplay.

 

On The Floor MV VEVO view: 85 millions

Born this Way MV VEVO view: 33 millions

 

 

 

p.s. High AIRPLAY has a double "benefit" effect.

 

1) High airplay points toward the total Hot 100 tally

2) more people listen to it (more listens = more likely to buy).

Edited April 9, 201114 yr by Dust2

No!

 

American radio's continue to be racist, expecially the big ones.

 

They also don't play British artists as much.

They also don't play British artists as much.

 

Huh?

 

I could say that I hate British radio because they don't play Finnish artists