Katy P is back on top combined now!

Judas down to #2, Katy is number 1 combined!

 

beat me!

 

it will continue to go down till the video comes out! this song won't be a big hit!

lol. Who's Beyonce?

 

I will cry if S&M misses out on #1. :cry:

 

Ahhhh! Price Tag #11!?!?!?! Congrats Jessie!!!! :cheer: I hope it climbs more. :heart:

 

 

Yeah, I was thinking that too. :lol:

 

The only way they'd "not be here" if it wasn't for her is if she's one of the artists that inspired them to go into music. It is possible though, since Rihanna and Lady Gaga have both said they were inspired by Madonna, although we don't know to what extent, obviously. I've never seen Katy Perry say anywhere that Madonna inspired her though.

 

 

We are talking about RIGHT NOW <_<

 

 

Oh, I was talking about the actual music. :lol: Don't have a clue about the videos, etc. Although Rihanna didn't really change her image between her first two albums. And I'm sure people did this before Madonna and Michael Jackson. But anyway, whoever develops into the iconic artists of this generation, I hope their influence can be seen in the actual music, not the marketing.

 

LOL, right, cause Rihanna's and Katy Perry's success are based on their amazing musical talent, not marketing.

What? Are you guys serious with this whole thing? Madonna invented the whole business model every female singer follows today. I thought that was common sense, how old are you guys? 13? The whole "reinvent your image with each album", big concerts, high budget videos etc. became mainstream thanks to her and Michael Jackson. Rihanna, Katy Perry, Britney Spears, etc. OWNS A LOT to Madonna, even if they have never been ~inspired by her (and seriously "The only way they'd "not be here" if it wasn't for her is if she's one of the artists that inspired them to go into music" is a ridiculous statement).

 

Anyways, back on topic now...

 

You're *still* missing the point. Madonna is not exactly relevant at this point in time. She may be relevant again when she releases new material but at the moment when you think of massive females in pop you don't think of Madonna.

LOL, right, cause Rihanna's and Katy Perry's success are based on their amazing musical talent, not marketing.

 

No artist today can be sucessful without good marketing (see Britney Spears, who flopped because of bad marketing [and also the fact that she's been around for a long time and can't sing at all]) Even Adele has lots of marketing even though she's the only female singer right now not to use autotune

Edited April 18, 201114 yr by danielGaGa

Britney CAN sing, she isn't the best but she can still hold a note.

 

Really happy to see JenJen holding strong with OTF :wub:

Britney Spears - Hold it against me despise getitng number one has dropped majorly and will not sell over 2million. Songs Like Train - Hey Soul Sister (Peaked at 6) sold over 6million and Miley Cyrus - Party In Usa Peaked at 2 has sold nearly 5million. I'm sure Britney needs to stop thinking she's so special because she's not doing as good..

 

Her album is even underperforming and will only sell around 1.5million in the usa (More Likely to be Less)

Her promotion is messed up and as much as I like her & her music - she deserves to underachieve cause i hope it would treat her a lesson.

I'm wondering wether its Britney's label (Jive) that is stopping her from promoting worldwide. Maybe they want her to focus more on the US since her popularity is still huge there compared to other countries. :unsure: such a shame since 'Femme Fatale' could've possibly sold well over here if only they made the effort. Its quite an amazing album too!

 

Really hope Rihanna & Britney have done enough to get that #1 ^_^ Nice to see Adele holding solidly well too! :D

LOL, right, cause Rihanna's and Katy Perry's success are based on their amazing musical talent, not marketing.

 

Rihanna and Katy Perry's success are based on their amazing SONGS. The people who made their songs are very talented. And Katy Perry co-writes most of her songs.

 

I was just under the impression that you were suggesting that Madonna inspired them musically, as in I thought you were suggesting that they use similar instruments, chord progressions, melodies, etc. to Madonna in their songs.

 

And then you came around and said "Oh, but they do cinematic music videos, make controversial themed songs, etc, etc." And then I said it's a shame that you're remembering Madonna for the way her music was marketed, rather than the actual music itself, like I do, hence why I found it strange that you were comparing them, because they're really not that similar.

 

It's a bit similar to some Lady Gaga fans actually. They often say things like "Oh, Ke$ha copied Lady Gaga", then I spend weeks trying to figure out how their songs are similar, only to find out that they're actually talking about a random outfit she wore at an award ceremony.

Rihanna and Katy Perry's success are based on their amazing SONGS. The people who made their songs are very talented. And Katy Perry co-writes most of her songs.

 

Eric - Every single post of urs i find myself agreeing with! Also they promote there music!

Rihanna and Katy Perry's success are based on their amazing SONGS. The people who made their songs are very talented. And Katy Perry co-writes most of her songs.

 

I was just under the impression that you were suggesting that Madonna inspired them musically, as in I thought you were suggesting that they use similar instruments, chord progressions, melodies, etc. to Madonna in their songs.

 

And then you came around and said "Oh, but they do cinematic music videos, make controversial themed songs, etc, etc." And then I said it's a shame that you're remembering Madonna for the way her music was marketed, rather than the actual music itself, like I do, hence why I found it strange that you were comparing them, because they're really not that similar.

 

It's a bit similar to some Lady Gaga fans actually. They often say things like "Oh, Ke$ha copied Lady Gaga", then I spend weeks trying to figure out how their songs are similar, only to find out that they're actually talking about a random outfit she wore at an award ceremony.

First of all: you're completely missing the point. Madonna's success has to do with MARKETING. That's the base of her career, that's what kept her on top for so long, that's the reason why people are still interested in her. I am a Madonna fan but music, love her or not, isn't the reason why she became a worldwide phenomenon. Her music is catchy and are good pop tunes but they aren't revolutionary in any way and, without all the scheme behind it, it wouldn't be the gigantic thing it turned out to be. Sorry but, if you REALLY remember Madonna "for her music", you are in the minority. People remember her for her outfits, for her groundbreaking videos and for controversy, in addition to her music. It's that simple. To compare the WHOLE marketing strategy, the way those girls are branded and sold to the public, to a comment like"Ke$ha copied Gaga cause they wore similar outifits" is stupid.

 

I like Rihanna and Katy Perry but their music is not what made them big worldwide and kept them on top during those last few years. It's controversy, it's flashy outfits and videos, it's huge production concerts. Of course catchy songs are essential, that's what made the public pay attention to them in the first place, but that's just the starting point. Rihanna and Katy Perry success goes much, much deeper than their music. And I say this as a huge fan of pop music. Madonna was the one who created this, every other successful female pop singer followed her guidebook (be it musically or not), therefore, they wouldn't be here if Madonna had not paved the way. It's PRETTY simple. So there you go, it has nothing to do with them crediting her as "musical inspiration" or not (and this "musical inspiration" thing is pretty dumb since the ones who are "inspired" to create their music are Stargate, in Rihanna's case, and Dr. Luke, in Katy Perry's case. So you should ask THEM what their musical inspiration is).

 

And yes, Rihanna and Katy Perry have amazing people making their music Their songs follow the formulas that are popular right now because, guess what, that's part of a marketing strategy. Rihanna releasing the eurodance sounding "Only Girl" and "S&M"? MARKETING, because eurodance is what's hot on the radio worldwide right now. And yes, Katy Perry CO-writes her songs, alongside other 10 people, it's not something extremely impressive.

 

Anyway, that's my point: Rihanna, Katy Perry, Lady Gaga and Britney wouldn't be here if it wasn't for Madonna. And I'm pretty sure all those girls would agree if you asked them (they probably have aknowledged that in the past numerous time). And back on the original topic: I agree the huge ones right now are Rihanna, Katy Perry and Lady Gaga. The first two are more single sellers (except Rihanna in the UK. But Katy Perry is a COMPLETE single seller: her album is doing pretty mediocre compared to the amount of huge smash hits it has spawned) and Gaga is more popular in both areas which, of course, make her the biggest right now. Britney isn't at her peak anymore and, imo, the reason why she doesn't promote it, is because she can't perform anymore and every performance is a disapointment for her fans (and, besides, I don't think she has much interest in her career anymore, she probs dgaf about her sales numbers), not to mention her songs are doing pretty well in US radio and, in America, that's what matters, more so than TV promo. Beyoncé will release her single in a few weeks and she'll probably make a huge impact once again since she's a pretty steady single and album seller, not to mention the best performers out of all those girls (she rivals, and tops imo, Gaga).

 

Anyway, there's nothing wrong with marketing. That's part of what makes pop so fun. You're naive if you think it's mostly about the music. If that was the case, people wouldn't give a damn about album covers, music videos and flashy TV performances and, as pop fans, I think we would all agree that's part of the fun.

 

No artist today can be sucessful without good marketing (see Britney Spears, who flopped because of bad marketing [and also the fact that she's been around for a long time and can't sing at all]) Even Adele has lots of marketing even though she's the only female singer right now not to use autotune

Obviously, every single artist has marketing. Marketing is needed to sell albums; no marketing, no sales. All I'm saying is: most top 40 pop female singers follow Madonna's guidebook in which music is just a mere detail, alongside outfits, videos, evolving image and production, etc., while Adele follows a complete different guideline. Adele's marketing is based around her voice and her songwriting skills (and her approachable personality and looks), more in line with adult pop singers like Dido and David Grey in the past. Adele and Katy Perry/Rihanna are two complete different sides of the spectrum although, of course, both have marketing behind them.

Edited April 18, 201114 yr by André

Good to see Tinie Tempah still there in the US iTunes Top100

Good to see Tinie Tempah still there in the US iTunes Top100

Who is likely to be #1 officially this week?

:thinking:

 

I have no idea, and to be honest, i'm useless when it comes to predicting the US chart.

 

No53- Jennifer Lopez/ Papi

No100- The Lonely Island & Justin Timberlake/ Motherlover

How is Charice doing with her version of Before it Explodes.

Charice 'Before It Explodes' is at No160.

Charice 'Before It Explodes' is at No160.

 

 

Thanks I wonder if she is getting any radio airplay.

No53- Jennifer Lopez/ Papi

 

 

No100- The Lonely Island & Justin Timberlake/ Motherlover

 

You do know you can edit your posts right? No point in posting two posts in a row within one minute of each other. Just edit your first post.