While I'm obviously not sorry to see the back of Bin Laden I can't help feeling uneasy about the way some Americans are celebrating. That can only increase the likelihood of a retaliatory attack.

 

Exactly what I was thinking. I see this sort of thing happening on a daily basis (obviously on a much less serious scale). Two parties are in some sort of conflict. If one "wins" in some way, and rubs it in in an overt fashion, the opposite party just gets more angry about it, the vast majority of the time.

 

I can understand why people are so happy about it, obviously, but perhaps they ought to be a bit more discreet about it.

I find it very strange how they have already buried him at sea. The worlds most wanted man, being persued for a decade, and they bury him the same night they kill and take the body, without any photos being released to the media.

 

not to be too cliche but very easy to pull the 'fake' card out.

This is typical of Islamic tradition. Burials should happen within 24 hours and those chose at sea to prevent his grave becoming a shrine.

 

They couldn't fake it. It would be too easy for Bin laden to release a new tape days after denouncing their claims and make them look foolish.

He is now martyred and his legend can only grow but certainly there's no-one in Al Qaeda's leadership with the same charisma so it's a big blow for them

Well i looked for a photo of this for proof (i do believe it!) but turns out the only photo gonig round is a photoshop! Don't click if this fake photo makes you want to cry, ban me etc : http://blogs.reuters.com/russell-boyce/201...-dead-prove-it/

While I won't be shedding any tears for his death, I have to say it's really quite distasteful to see some idiots in America partying and chanting "USA, USA". And I tend to agree with others that this could only increase the chances of revenge attacks. It's certainly not the end of Al-Qaeda, which is a highly developed international organisation. Osama hasn't even really been their leader to all intents and purposes for many years now anyway.

I can't say I'm sad about seeing the back of this thing, but its far from over- who knows how Al-quaeda will react next? also, I'm not saying its wrong, but its a little distasteful about how much of an extent their celebrating

I'm a member of a predominantly American board elsewhere on the internet, and they really are celebrating. The feel-good vibe is leaking through there, along with many pictures of Ground Zero and Obama looking smug. Some even suggested mutilating the body, before a few more level-headed people said it was far better for it to be dumped at sea.

 

I haven't seen many mentions of the possibility of retaliation, but I think they're all caught up in the moment right now. This is proper revenge for 9/11 for those who lost loved ones. Hopefully the defense services in America are already preparing for a retaliatory strike somewhere.

Well i looked for a photo of this for proof (i do believe it!) but turns out the only photo gonig round is a photoshop! Don't click if this fake photo makes you want to cry, ban me etc : http://blogs.reuters.com/russell-boyce/201...-dead-prove-it/

 

That picture was made by combining a picture of Osama (alive) and another, real, corpse. The picture of the real corpse is far more disturbing :(

I havent seen the picture of the real corpse but hteres a fake gonig round of this photo and a pakistani tv news bulliton...

The celebrations made me cringe. This is supposed to be the difference between "us" and "them" -- that we don't celebrate violence. But as a resident of the District of Columbia (about 8 blocks from the White House), I can assure you that 90% of the people down there celebrating were university students, half of whom were likely drunk.

This is typical of Islamic tradition. Burials should happen within 24 hours and those chose at sea to prevent his grave becoming a shrine.

 

They couldn't fake it. It would be too easy for Bin laden to release a new tape days after denouncing their claims and make them look foolish.

He is now martyred and his legend can only grow but certainly there's no-one in Al Qaeda's leadership with the same charisma so it's a big blow for them

 

yes but why the f*** would they give a f*** about his religion, he was the worlds most wanted man and they buried him within what, about 6 hours? not to mention Uday and Qusay Hussein (sons of Saddam)'s bodies were kept for 11 days, rather than burying them within 24 hours like Islamic tradition. This is a massivly high profile death and theres no photos of his body, or him being buried or anything, it's definatly very fishy.

yes but why the f*** would they give a f*** about his religion, he was the worlds most wanted man and they buried him within what, about 6 hours? not to mention Uday and Qusay Hussein (sons of Saddam)'s bodies were kept for 11 days, rather than burying them within 24 hours like Islamic tradition. This is a massivly high profile death and theres no photos of his body, or him being buried or anything, it's definatly very fishy.

 

Yeah plus they didn't really care about peoples religions when they were killing them

 

I'm finding it really fishy too how can they expect us to believe he's been caught and killed when there's no evidence whatsoever? Not that I really wanna see a dead body but I'm not gonna believe it 100% until there's at least some proof

 

and yeah I find the celebrations in america so tactless, it's just gonna make his followers or whatever they are 10x more angry that they're now laughing in their faces

I do find it slightly suspicious but I'm inclined to believe that he's dead for two reasons:

 

1. Like someone else said, it would be easy for Osama to make another tape and send it to Al Jazeera if he is alive

2. If they're claiming he's dead without evidence, why has it taken them ten years to do so? Surely someone else would have had that bright idea...

yes but why the f*** would they give a f*** about his religion, he was the worlds most wanted man and they buried him within what, about 6 hours? not to mention Uday and Qusay Hussein (sons of Saddam)'s bodies were kept for 11 days, rather than burying them within 24 hours like Islamic tradition. This is a massivly high profile death and theres no photos of his body, or him being buried or anything, it's definatly very fishy.

 

I do find it odd that they buried the body so quickly, but there's no way Obama would lie that he was dead, and face the humiliation of Bin Laden releasing a video in a few days' time.

 

Also, someone who lives in the area where Bin Laden was caught was tweeting during the time about helicopters circling in the area and gunfire being heard (before the world knew what was going on):

 

http://twitter.com/#!/ReallyVirtual

If they didn't bury him within the traditions of the Muslim faith they could justifiably be accused of disrespecting Islam which would only serve to radicalise more muslims against the USA/West. It was something they were criticised over for Hussein's sons and even they arn't dumb enough to make the same mistake with the world's most famous and iconic Muslim

 

 

There will be photos and all Spec Ops missions are filmed from high level aircraft and helmet cameras. The only question is when and whether they will release them. The debate will be raging now in the Whitehouse

Edited May 2, 201114 yr by Severin

Reiterating my thoughts made in t'lounge:

 

I think CELEBRATING the death of someone irrespective of what they may or may not have done is messed up in itself. Bin Laden is just the media's imposed and polorised image of "world terror". A focal point if you will. Has he had any relation to the seeds of terrorism and future terrorism sewn within the last 5 years or more? I doubt it very much.

 

His death doesn't make any difference to the world. It doesn't bring any of the victims of terrorism back and there will be plenty of people plotting and exerting some REAL power amongst terror cells that most of us know nothing about at this stage. Plus, as aforementioned by others these images of jubilant celebration will be interpreted by some in the Middle and Far East as anti-Islamic and stoke the flames for retribution. Essentially widening the divide between Judæo-Christian and Islamic societies yet further.

 

But how can any of us truly gauge what THREAT there genuinely is from Islamic fundamentalism to western lives? Yes we've had our 7/7 bombings but these were undertaken by a small cell of people with radical and extreme views. Likewise could be argued for the 9/11 attacks. Only difference was people were complacent so they managed to achieve something on a much "grander" scale so to speak. One could argue that it's a means of implementing draconian right wing ideology onto people with more of a watchful eye over all of us when the THREAT to liberty and western identity and lives is miniscule.

 

I do not claim to know whether it's all smoke, mirrors, brainwashing and a culture of fear or a more genuine threat but I can't shake from my mind the continual psyche of our only current superpower. By psyche I mean a mindset that is continually "fighting" and opposed to something. Be it the follies of communism, extending into Russia and the Cold War and then into Islamic fundamentalism. It strikes me that a large component of the American political and social psyche is to be "fighting against the enemy". A "them or us" sort of thing.

 

I think we live in a very jaded global society where nobody apart from the elite few know the realities of the world and it's metaphorical board game.

I've looked at this matter from all angles.

 

Something does not add up. They know very well that many said Hitler escaped

in 1945, because only the Soviets had his body, & they would not let others

examine it.

 

Now - May 2011 - we are expected to believe that the USA killed Bin Laden, &

buried his body at sea - when they know perfectly well, that this, (lack of independent

evidence), will cause millions to doubt that they really killed him.

 

But, they 'buried' him at sea anyhow! They say it was to stop his grave becoming

a 'Shrine' for fanatical Muslims. In fact, it is forbidden for Muslims to worship people

via shrines. As the USA knows full well.

 

I hear - over & over - that Bin Laden died in 2001. The CIA made us think that he was

still alive, (fake tapes), in order for the 'War On Terror' to carry on.

 

That's why the USA could not let the body be independently examined - it would be found out

that they had not killed Bin Laden at all. We get the 'buried at sea' garbage instead.

 

The people who Govern this World have long learned that so many people are either too

lazy, or too thick, to think for themselves, so they tell us any lie to start Wars, carry on Wars,

bring in tougher Laws, & so on.

 

Anyone who questions the lies is called a 'Conspiracy Theorist' or 'a Nutter', by the gullible

Millions who fall for any tripe that their Governments feed them.

 

As one can see by those morons who have been dancing with joy outside the White House.

 

What now, I wonder?

 

At this rate the USA, will soon have World War 3. All they need is a huge 'attack' on

the USA again, as an excuse to invade more Countries. (Where will the next 'attack'

on the USA be claimed to come from? Iran? Pakistan? Syria? ALL of them? We are

taken for mugs!).

 

Still, if idiots fall for what liars in Government feed to them, then maybe Humanity

is too dumb to carry on, anyhow. Maybe we have got the Leaders we deserve, & maybe

it is better if our Planet ends up like 'The Planet Of The Apes', with our 'Civilisation' reduced

to dust, & some other species taking over.

 

I am just saddened at how gullible so many people are. The people who create, & feed us the

lies, must think we are all insects. Sadly - many Humans seem to be. Gullible, stupid, moronic,

fools, who are easy to manipulate. They may as well be Ants.....

 

We will reap what we sow.....

Edited May 2, 201114 yr by zeus555

:manson::manson::manson:

 

It's because you ARE a conspiracy theorist nutter. How easy would it be for someone within al-Qaeda to deny his death occurring now? You're basing this totally on them not releasing full comprehensive evidence less than 24 hours after it happened.

 

They also said they buried him at sea as there was no country willing to take him for burial. Your answer to that?

Re: The burial at sea

 

 

Muslim law states that the dead should be buried in their homeland within 24 hours. Saudi Arabia refused to take his body despite being offered it. Because of this burial elsewhere is allowed and if their is considered a possibility of the body being disintered burial at sea is allowed. True, Wahhabism does oppose false idolatry but this branch of Islam is often considered extremist and not adhered to by many Muslims. There is a great probability that Bin Laden's grave would be disturbed and not necessarily by muslims.

 

Burial at sea makes sense.

 

And the idea he died in 2001 and use fake tapes since is, frankly bollocks. The entire world hs seen and had the ability to analyse those tapes and no-one has said 'hold on this looks dodgy' once

Anyone who questions the lies is called a 'Conspiracy Theorist' or 'a Nutter', by the gullible

Millions who fall for any tripe that their Governments feed them.

 

I think it's more those people being gullible and falling for any tripe that the conspiracy theorists feed them.

yes but why the f*** would they give a f*** about his religion, he was the worlds most wanted man and they buried him within what, about 6 hours? not to mention Uday and Qusay Hussein (sons of Saddam)'s bodies were kept for 11 days, rather than burying them within 24 hours like Islamic tradition. This is a massivly high profile death and theres no photos of his body, or him being buried or anything, it's definatly very fishy.

 

You're not the only to smell a very big rat here Chris... I'm highly dubious about this whole "burial at sea" thing... Apparently, burials at sea are NOT in-keeping with Islamic custom, so that reason is blown out of the water, and all of a sudden we're expected to believe that the US are all "sympathetic" towards Islamic sensibilities when they're still torturing and detaining people in GITMO without any chance of a trial on the horizon... If the US have killed Bin Laden this weekend, I WANT TO SEE SOME REAL EVIDENCE... Call me Mr Picky.... TBH, I suspect Bin Laden actually died some years back, which would explain why over the past several years he'd taken a step back from any prominent role in planning and organising operations... It would suit both the US and AQ to keep up a pretence that he WAS still alive...

 

But now, things are different, Obama is taking an absolute hiding at home, he needs to have a big scalp to put on the wall, so, enter this "execution" of Bin Laden.... All we've got to go on is a photograph that could have been photoshopped, and even if it wasn't, it could've been taken at any time... There's no body for anyone to examine (the afore-mentioned burial at sea), so if the FBI or the NYPD wanted to do their own forensic examinations, they're sh"t out of luck, because, apparently, we're now all "sensitive" to the dignity of Bin Laden in death.... This dog don't hunt as the Americans would say....

 

As for the idiots in America celebrating.... I mean, come on, WAKE UP, do you imagine that terrorism is going to suddenly stop...? It's not like we destroyed the other guy's army here, because, there is no army, Bin Laden was no General.. This isn't like some James Bond movie where if you kill the "big baddie" the organisation suddenly collapses into dust....