I remember what I was gonna say, now...

 

Going back to the lack of UK artists in the T10.

 

ITSM it is a catch 22 situation [for those too young... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catch-22_(logic) ]...

 

The charts are currently dominated by a very limited variety of music, which puts off fans of other types from buying music - radio stations mistakenly assume that means they aren't interested in other in other types, so they don't play them - thus perpetuating the cycle... :rolleyes:

By that rationale any trend would stay forever and stay eternally popular. It doesn't - people get bored of certain genres after a while. Within a year everyone will be bored of I Gotta Feeling rehashes and urban electropop focused solely around 'the club' as they'll have been dominating for the last two/three years by then, and something new will come through.

It is quite sad to read indeed, considering how much talent there is in the UK music scene.

Look at the so-called "non-#1s" of las year though... the main two were Dizzee Rascal and JLS, two British acts who were trying to follow the crowd and ended up with a poor end product that had flash-in-the-pan success. The main British success stories of last year, given how they weren't hyped to the hilt like Ellie Goulding, were Plan B and Tinie Tempah - the former because he managed to bring hip-hop into almost Radio 2 territory and the latter because he injected some fun into the hip-hop scene. British artists can still succeed in this climate, they just have to do something slightly different.

 

IMO to really break the stagnation, we need British artists who'll come up with something radically different

 

 

By that rationale any trend would stay forever and stay eternally popular. It doesn't - people get bored of certain genres after a while. Within a year everyone will be bored of I Gotta Feeling rehashes and urban electropop focused solely around 'the club' as they'll have been dominating for the last two/three years by then, and something new will come through.

 

Can't wait. :P

It is quite sad to read indeed, considering how much talent there is in the UK music scene.

 

says the one with Cheryl Cole in his signature :P

 

Anyway onto the topic, there is some good British music in the charts but it doesn't live up to the standard of US music which is why there are more US songs than British in the charts. Many British acts focus on albums success (mostly rock/indie and R2 pop) because no-one's gonna buy their singles. Example is likely to get number one soon, possibly because it's up to date, is danceable, has a good hook, has rapping and has had good promotion. People like Clare Maguire, Yasmin etc. just aren't with the times and won't be getting big hits cos' of that

But a week ago only Lauren Bennett. Saturdays are there this week.

 

I said somewhere else that it's mainly that the hit production and songwriters come from elsewhere and seems that MW agrees.

Maybe, but hasn't that always been the case? Although we certainly have no hit producer team with the pedigree of SAW, Absolute (Spice Girls producers) or Xenomania at the moment, that's for sure - but I'd argue in the late 90s we had nobody as good as Timbaland or Darkchild either, it's just that they were putting their beats on R&B and hip hop songs.

 

I doubt that'd have much effect at all now that there's this whole new-fangled internet thing.

Maybe radio should stop playing American music full stop if it can get by so well with internet networking :lol: I kid, of course.

 

It also doesn't help thatthe majority of the music channels are US-owned.

But isn't the biggest music channel (4Music) UK-owned?

 

I'd say the bigger problem with music channels is they're so god damn trend-following these days. Compared to when the likes of The Box (along with Smash Hits) used to break through the likes of Billie Piper who got fuck-all radio support but was loved by both - and bang, the result was a #1 hit.

 

While we're on the subject of magazines, you could probably say the same about NME who also broke through new acts but now seem to be irrelevant (although unlike SH! they're still going, of course) - either way that era is ovah thanks to the internet as Bray said above. Shame, as both played their part in helping and promoting British music.

 

Dance music is the exact opposite of 'US styled'.

Hardly the exact opposite when house originated in the US and a lot of dance music can be traced back through the days of disco, etc, though :lol:

Hardly the exact opposite when house originated in the US and a lot of dance music can be traced back through the days of disco, etc, though :lol:

 

But when you hear dance music you don't think 'this is American music'. :P

One need look no further than the top 50 airplay chart to see where the problem lies. I bet UK artists aren't supported so much in the US. Must be a dream for US artists in the UK. Not only do they get the most airplay they feature on all the highest audience figure shows.

says the one with Cheryl Cole in his signature :P

 

 

 

Was it ever necessary to post this when I didn't even mention her whatsoever. Because I love her doesn't mean I'm unable to enjoy other UK acts... I don't get your point. :unsure:

Was it ever necessary to post this when I didn't even mention her whatsoever. Because I love her doesn't mean I'm unable to enjoy other UK acts... I don't get your point. :unsure:

 

It was a joke, hence the :P smiley. There is lots of talent in the UK (Adele, Jessie J, Tinie Tempah, Plan B, I could go on)

It was a joke, hence the :P smiley. There is lots of talent in the UK (Adele, Jessie J, Tinie Tempah, Plan B, I could go on)

 

And Cheryl :P

On a brighter side, Brit acts are generally doing good in Europe. With two Brit acts in the French top 10 this week (Adele and Jessie J), Brits are doing better in France than they're doing in the UK :lol:

By the way, just reading through the thread properly rather than skimming as I did before, and I had to laugh at the suggestion that British acts should do something different to break through here, while American acts can get away with generic rubbish!! :lol: Jesus Christ, shouldn't it be the other way round?! It's really a sad state when it's come to this.

 

We SHOULD be supporting British music the majority and taking the best of what comes from the rest of the countries in a 60-40% ratio, I'd say. This would be in an ideal world, although of course it's impossible to actually enforce this as even if radio played 60% British music and 40% non-British music it doesn't mean it'd be bought in those exact numbers.

 

What we have now is a situation where we support the big European hits as we should, but take almost EVERYTHING from America... :drama: That never used to happen and I have no idea why radio stations have got so lazy like this.

Edited June 1, 201114 yr by superbossanova

What we have now is a situation where we support the big European hits as we should, but take almost EVERYTHING from America... :drama: That never used to happen and I have no idea why radio stations have got so lazy like this.

 

Aren't there rules for British radios to play a precised ratio of British songs ?

Such rules exist in France, but it's mainly to 'save' French language or we would have English songs all the time on radio.

Edited June 1, 201114 yr by Hayzayy

Aren't there rules for British radios to play a precised ratio of British songs ?

Such rules exist in France, but it's mainly to 'save' French language or we would have English songs all the time on radio.

Radio 1 have a quota to play at least 40% British acts during daytime radio. It's nowhere near high enough IMO but at least they actually have one.

 

See: http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio1/chart/playlist_faqs.shtml

 

Do you have quotas for certain types of music?

Because Radio 1 is part of the BBC and funded by the licence fee, we make a commitment that at least 40% of the music in daytime will be from UK artists. We treat this as an absolute minimum however and normally 45-50% of the playlisted tracks are British. We also play a range of genres, bringing together the best of each, rather than concentrating on just one area of music.

 

Not sure about any other radio stations though.

its just a quiet period for British acts atm unfortunately, the 'club banger' sound is the 'in' sound atm and its mainly US artists who do that, although UK artists can fit in with it (Taio Cruz). I do agree though that radio and video support is vital for British acts

its just a quiet period for British acts atm unfortunately, the 'club banger' sound is the 'in' sound atm and its mainly US artists who do that, although UK artists can fit in with it (Taio Cruz). I do agree though that radio and video support is vital for British acts

 

British artists are getting lots of support - it's just that they have more of an album sound as compared to what teenagers and young adults are paying 99p to buy. :)

The album chart is more the place for UK talent - Adele, Jessie J,Kate Bush, Noah & The Whale etc. As has been mentioned, the 'in' club banger sound is just being mass produced in the US, UK acts like the ones above aren't following. Adele and Jessie J have been massively successful in the singles chart, granted but I don't see Kate Bush teaming up with RedOne or David Guetta anytime soon :lol:

British artists are getting lots of support - it's just that they have more of an album sound as compared to what teenagers and young adults are paying 99p to buy. :)

Are they really? Of the current airplay chart the top 50 contains just 13 songs by lead British artists, the top 6 of which include 'Dynamite' (9 months old) and two songs each for Adele and Jessie J.

 

The top 40 TV play just 10 are by British acts. Please explain how this is a lot of support. BBC Radio stations give a decent amount of support to British acts, but nowhere else dows.

The album chart is more the place for UK talent - Adele, Jessie J,Kate Bush, Noah & The Whale etc. As has been mentioned, the 'in' club banger sound is just being mass produced in the US, UK acts like the ones above aren't following. Adele and Jessie J have been massively successful in the singles chart, granted but I don't see Kate Bush teaming up with RedOne or David Guetta anytime soon :lol:

 

But what is surprising is when the UK tries to follow the trend they FAIL (eg 'The Club Is Alive', 'Green Light', 'Notorious' etc.) :lol: :lol:

But what is surprising is when the UK tries to follow the trend they FAIL (eg 'The Club Is Alive', 'Green Light', 'Notorious' etc.) :lol: :lol:

 

How was Green Light following the trend? The reason it didn't do so well (for a #1) was because it was a carbon copy of Good Times which didn't do that well (for a #1) either (I know it spent 3 weeks at #1 but this was more down to an empty schedule than anything) which was itself a carbon copy of every other successful grime-mixed-with-more-commerical-genres song and people were totally bored of that sound by the time of Green Light's release. (See Tinchy Stryder flopping with 'In My System' and 'Second Chance' but doing better with more different sounding songs like 'Game Over' and 'Let It Rain')

 

TL;DR version: Green Light was following the already dead UK trend, not the growing US trend.

Edited June 1, 201114 yr by Bray

TCIA is a great example - awful awful song :puke: Notorious is brilliant - the reason it hasn't done well is because The Sats aren't big enough yet to pull off OA/OS.