And I don't think people seem to get that Rihanna is acting. Like in a soap opera, if one of the characters murders someone, nobody accueses the actor of promoting murder or whatever.

No, but there are always warnings. I've not seen Rihanna's new video or read about it, but if it does feature someone murdering someone then why should it be any different to any other TV programme where before it airs it will give a warning about scene's not being suitable for children or featuring scenes of a distressing nature? If it applies to films, TV, music (parental guidance or explicit stickers) and games, then it should also apply to music videos too.

 

You wouldn't be able to show a soap without putting warnings and helplines up before and after, a music video should be no different.

Music videos have become more and more like mini movies rather than a music video. Shots of the artists going round with a gun killing people will have more "shock" value than the same artist sat at a table miming to the song with glass of wine in hand and showing little sign of getting drunk.

 

Directors have always pushed the boundaries of the music video. Michael Jackson really started this trend off in the early 80s with 'Thriller'. Then the controversial videos really started with Madonna 'Like A Prayer' (compared to the video for 'True Blue' for example).

 

Also notice that it's always been the American artists. They set the biggest budgets and perhaps explains just why the Americans have been able to dominate the music world over the last 25-30 years. Moreso now than ever before.

 

That's probably what made Adele 'Someone Like You' stand out of the crowd. A stunning live vocal performance taken from The Brit Awards (and used as the music video) thus propelling the track to #1 where it sold over 100k for three consecutive weeks. To sell over 100k for 3 straight weeks outside of X Factor season for a British artist whose album was already selling bucketloads is nothing short of extraordinary.

 

Especially as it actually managed to increase its sales from week 1 to week 2 then again from week 2 to week 3.

Edited June 4, 201114 yr by Bray

Of course they're not too explicit nowadays, as has been stated it's an art form, they are acting, and its no different from a television programme/film (which tbf do have age ratings, so maybe that isn't too much of a bad idea to have ratings to put these alarming parents at ease) - but again this doesn't control who watches the vidoes!

 

And yes, Lady Gaga started everything.

 

The guy that chucked her off the balcony started it :P

Edited June 4, 201114 yr by HausofKubrick

Would be a lot better than the mere slap on the wrist that courts often hand out for violent crimes...

 

That is a whole other massive debate..

 

I just think people have to see that in video's it is merely just acting.

 

Back to the explicit and raunchy discussion..i can see why, parents especially, may be a little concerned with it but many wont be, you can never please everyone unfortunately its impossible. :lol:

Edited June 4, 201114 yr by Karma

Music videos have become more and more like mini movies rather than a music video. Shots of the artists going round with a gun killing people will have more "shock" value than the same artist sat at a table miming to the song with glass of wine in hand and showing little sign of getting drunk.

 

Directors have always pushed the boundaries of the music video. Michael Jackson really started this trend off in the early 80s with 'Thriller'. Then the controversial videos really started with Madonna 'Like A Prayer' (compared to the video for 'True Blue' for example).

 

Also notice that it's always been the American artists. They set the biggest budgets and perhaps explains just why the Americans have been able to dominate the music world over the last 25-30 years. Moreso now than ever before.

 

That's probably what made Adele 'Someone Like You' stand out of the crowd. A stunning live vocal performance taken from The Brit Awards (and used as the music video) thus propelling the track to #1 where it sold over 100k for three consecutive weeks. To sell over 100k for 3 straight weeks outside of X Factor season for a British artist whose album was already selling bucketloads is nothing short of extraordinary.

 

 

agree totally about the money thing as this enables us artists to have a better chance at becoming popular!!

they aren't 'too explicit' as such, its always been this way- there have been many controversial and quite shocking video's before, often being very explicit

 

I think an age range on video's is a good idea, but only if they contain seriously disturbing or heavily sexual images

Edited June 4, 201114 yr by chart wizard

Well, there's little doubt that they ARE becoming increasingly explicit - after all, it was only 1990 that Madonna was getting lambasted for Justify My Love, front page in all the newspapers, crucified in the press - nowadays, people wouldn't blink an eye at a stray nipple or a lesbian snog......

 

My bugbear is that it's always females exploited in the videos - in the rap genre particularly - and they seem to be paraded in a seriously unpleasant way - the ho's and bitches attitude, women as objects, that kind of thing. And usually by seriously dodgy, ugly males - Eminem, Snoop Dogg etc... the kind of men who, if they weren't global megastars, would only encounter girls like this if they saved their benefit money up for a year and went scouting for callgirls.

 

When was the last video that caused uproar because it showed MALE nudity? It almost never happens, although I'd be happy if there's some Buzzjackers who could show me otherwise ;)

Well, there's little doubt that they ARE becoming increasingly explicit - after all, it was only 1990 that Madonna was getting lambasted for Justify My Love, front page in all the newspapers, crucified in the press - nowadays, people wouldn't blink an eye at a stray nipple or a lesbian snog......

 

My bugbear is that it's always females exploited in the videos - in the rap genre particularly - and they seem to be paraded in a seriously unpleasant way - the ho's and bitches attitude, women as objects, that kind of thing. And usually by seriously dodgy, ugly males - Eminem, Snoop Dogg etc... the kind of men who, if they weren't global megastars, would only encounter girls like this if they saved their benefit money up for a year and went scouting for callgirls.

 

When was the last video that caused uproar because it showed MALE nudity? It almost never happens, although I'd be happy if there's some Buzzjackers who could show me otherwise ;)

 

But female nudity doesn't cause any uproar now either. Even videos which show fully topless girls (I can't think of many off the top of my head, but My Band by D12, for example), nobody complains about.

 

There's almost never uproar over male nudity, but there's almost never uproar over female nudity either, at least nowadays. I can't really speak for what it was like in the 90's and before.

Who gives a f**k if videos are explicit? Just enjoy them.

Well, there's little doubt that they ARE becoming increasingly explicit - after all, it was only 1990 that Madonna was getting lambasted for Justify My Love, front page in all the newspapers, crucified in the press - nowadays, people wouldn't blink an eye at a stray nipple or a lesbian snog......

 

My bugbear is that it's always females exploited in the videos - in the rap genre particularly - and they seem to be paraded in a seriously unpleasant way - the ho's and bitches attitude, women as objects, that kind of thing. And usually by seriously dodgy, ugly males - Eminem, Snoop Dogg etc... the kind of men who, if they weren't global megastars, would only encounter girls like this if they saved their benefit money up for a year and went scouting for callgirls.

 

When was the last video that caused uproar because it showed MALE nudity? It almost never happens, although I'd be happy if there's some Buzzjackers who could show me otherwise ;)

 

Why would this be any worse than a heterosexual kiss (ie. something that happens all the time in music videos and no one complains)? :unsure:

Why would this be any worse than a heterosexual kiss (ie. something that happens all the time in music videos and no one complains)? :unsure:

 

It isn't. I think that was his point. He was saying 20 years ago it would've been a bit more controversial, but nowadays nobody cares.

 

Who gives a f**k if videos are explicit? Just enjoy them.

 

I agree.

Edited June 4, 201114 yr by Eric_Blob

Who gives a f**k if videos are explicit? Just enjoy them.

 

This. I'm 13 and I don't find music videos too explicit. And if you don't like videos with sex scenes in them, then listen to the audio! Of course if you're a parent and trying to protect your under 10 year old - it's slightly harder but you can use parental controls on YouTube and the TV.

Why would this be any worse than a heterosexual kiss (ie. something that happens all the time in music videos and no one complains)? :unsure:

 

My whole pont was that it ISN'T worse - but TV companies, even now, always get cold feet when the gay issue arises.

 

Off topic, but relevant, was BBC2's recent adaptation of Christopher 'A Single Man' Isherwood's fantastic book Christopher And His Friends - the book is basically a gay man's diary as World War 2 erupts - and his gay affairs before, during and after WW11. It's literally packed with stories of his gay exploits. The TV adaptation was like some Merchant Ivory production - very little gay sex, just a few tentative kisses..... absolutely ridiculous. Isherwood must have been turning in his grave to see his rampantly erotic book turned into this because the BBC got the heeby jeebies abut man on man action..

 

If this had been an adaptation of a straight guy's sexploits during this era, can you honestly imagine them leaving all the sex out?

 

As for there being no uproar about nudity, I disagree - a nude scene in a TV drama, say, still causes a bit of a scandal. Moreso in America, where their main channels are crazily censored.

 

 

Why would this be any worse than a heterosexual kiss (ie. something that happens all the time in music videos and no one complains)? :unsure:

 

Do you really not know the past social attitudes towards publicised gay kisses or homosexuality in general? :lol:

Do you really not know the past social attitudes towards publicised gay kisses or homosexuality in general? :lol:

 

Exactly. Nowadays a music video that had homophobic themes would be a LOT more controversial than a video with two men kissing in.

Do you really not know the past social attitudes towards publicised gay kisses or homosexuality in general? :lol:

 

I clearly just misunderstood russ' post. It sounded like he was saying a nipple slip or a lesbian kiss is bad but modern society doesn't see them as being bad.

Edited June 4, 201114 yr by Bray

No, the more explicit the better it is for me :D

I do they think ar too explicit for young children to watch BUT, the last night i was watching Katy B's new video and found that even worse.

She's fully clothed, playing pool, but at the end robs a load of money with her friends from the guys she was playing pool with and they run away,.

I think that sets an even worse example. Kids will just take taking things and then when asked why, they'll say 'Katy B did it in her song' so I think thats pretty bad.

Exactly. Nowadays a music video that had homophobic themes would be a LOT more controversial than a video with two men kissing in.

 

Too right. There was no controversy over that Boyzone video (which only consisted of Stephen Gately hugging a guy) yet there was controversy over homophobic lyrics from certain rappers.

there was controversy over homophobic lyrics from certain rappers.

 

but not enough for their records to be banned - after all, 50 Cent and Eminem have built careers on being disgustingly homophobic.... I'd say whilst homophobia is viewed as being a little uncool - it's still alive and kicking, especially in the black-dominated hip hop scene and especially in Jamaican reggae and dancehall.