I don't get why for example a Michael Jackson song that was number one 28 years ago should be allowed to chart on Hot 100 now? We all get it's a hit, no need to remind us. It was current 28 years ago, now it's a classic.

 

I blame downloads for this stupid discussion.. 15 years ago it was impossible to even buy some songs in singles format. Were the classics like Billie Jean less hits then? NO, but people just didn't (or couldn't) buy it in single format. This thing wasn't discussed at all and everyone was fine with it.

 

I'm very much against old music taking over a HIT CHART.

 

 

What if it was a Michael Jackson song that wasn't a hit at all 28 years ago and people have only started to care about it now as if it were a new release? That would still be excluded under Billboard's rules.

 

I don't understand the logic that a song that is popular at a specific point in time cannot be considered a 'hit' just because it's an old recording. Billboard would have no problem if a song had another boost of popularity a few months after release, but stretch it to a few years and it suddenly isn't allowed to re-enter? What exactly is the difference between, say 'Fix You' and 'If I Die Young'? Both were popular, both became less popular, both became popular again. IIDY was allowed to re-enter and FY wasn't.

IIDY was still promoted for radio so it was a current hit and got enough points to reach a new peak. The pop radio just didn't jump on it first time around. I don't see the problem with it.

 

Fix You sold well in 2005 too but it peaked at #59 on Hot 100, so low mostly because the radio didn't really liked it and it got most of its points from digital sales.

 

Coldplay have never been radio darlings in the US, they have only three considerable pop hits: Clocks, Speed of Sound and Viva la Vida.

 

Released now sales have increased and play more important role (points-wise) Fix You would get a better peak but it charted in 2005 and things were different. Some songs' popularity just does not match with the chart peak. It's only natural. Or are you saying that Foster the People's "Pumped Up Kicks" wasn't a bigger hit in the UK than its peak #18 indicates?

 

These things happen on all charts. Charts are not always fair and the undeniable truth.

 

If Coldplay re-recorded Fix You, it'd be able to chart on Hot 100, btw.

 

Edited October 29, 201113 yr by SKOB

IIDY was still promoted for radio so it was a current hit and got enough points to reach a new peak. The pop radio just didn't jump on it first time around. I don't see the problem with it.

 

Fix You sold well in 2005 too but it peaked at #59 on Hot 100, so low mostly because the radio didn't really liked it and it got most of its points from digital sales.

 

Coldplay have never been radio darlings in the US, they have only three considerable pop hits: Clocks, Speed of Sound and Viva la Vida.

 

Released now sales have increased and play more important role (points-wise) Fix You would get a better peak but it charted in 2005 and things were different. Some songs' popularity just does not match with the chart peak. It's only natural. Or are you saying that Foster the People's "Pumped Up Kicks" wasn't a bigger hit in the UK than its peak #18 indicates?

 

These things happen on all charts. Charts are not always fair and the undeniable truth.

 

I could just bring in the whole 'why is airplay even included in the chart?' junk but I've argued with you about that before so it's pointless.

 

Pumped Up Kicks is different because although its sales in the UK may be higher than the average #18 hit, it DID peak at #18, it was never more than the eighteenth most popular song in any given week so that is its correct peak. Dog Days Are Over is a #23 hit, One Day Like This is a #35 hit.

 

What I disapprove of is songs that SHOULD have a higher peak but were excluded from the chart for a ridiculous reason (in this case that their popularity didn't coincide with the time it was released/promoted).

I do understand your point but would it really make this world a better place if FY for example was allowed to re-enter the Hot 100 for a couple of weeks just because it happens to get some promotion? It wouldn't get much past its #59 peak anyway. No need to change the rules because it wouldn't make that much of a difference, just to provide some songs a re-appearance for a week or two.

 

The formula and the rules of Hot 100 are made to measure the biggest hits weekly. Now sales are so dominant that it would basically be possible for old songs to chart relatively high for one reason or another but let's say in ten years time things can be different and we might not be discussing this.

 

But I'm sure Billboard knows what to do with their chart, they have for well over 50 years already. One thing for sure, they won't lessen the amount of new hits by allowing the old songs to chart.

Edited October 29, 201113 yr by SKOB

It doesn't 'make the world a better place', it just makes the chart meet its intended purpose more accurately. If it's supposed to reflect what the most popular songs in the country are it should do so regardless of the age of the recording. They dropped the 'recurrent rule' on their album chart, plus there's never been such a rule on the Digital chart, so I don't see why they continue to keep it on the H100. And airplay just twists everything even further (you can't seriously tell me Party In The U.S.A. was never the most popular song in the country just because it wasn't getting as much airplay as some other songs).

When Party In The USA didn't reach #1 I wasn't too happy about, despite it being #1 on iTunes for a long time.

 

The Billboard Hot 100 is twisted in that it includes airplay in the first place, airplay does NOT mean its popular at the moment really. If a radio doesn't support the song, it doesn't even have a chance of being popular at all. The most popular discussion should entirely be judged on sales as that's what people pay MONEY for, it's complete jibberish that the biggest Music Market in the world has a chart that's totally inbalanced when judging songs. If you take any official legal chart, most would be composed of sales. I dislike the way Billboard Hot 100 considers itself to be the official single chart in the world and having that status even though it's not what it is.

I just love it when Princess of China gets knocked out of the top 10 by Party Rock Anthem, which has already had its 6 WEEKS AT NUMBER 1. <_<

Rolling In The Deep back up to #22? Well that's just fine :D I thought it had permanently dropped into the 30s but I won't complain if it wasn't to go back to the high 20s.

 

Party Rock Anthem, however, can piss the piss off. Hopefully Princess Of China can still get a decent debut on Digital Songs/Hot 100.

 

Flo Rida now in the top 10? What has he done to become popular again? I thought he was over! I suppose 'Good Feeling' will be a UK hit as well now. He doesn't have long until The Saturdays release their new single :kink:

 

Pumped Up Kicks still at #4 :cheer: Amazing longevity. Must be one of the biggest indie/rock hits in ages (since Use Somebody? Or am I forgetting something obvious?)

Edited October 30, 201113 yr by Bré

I heard 'Good Feeling' the other day - I really like it, even if it is just another generic club song (well, it's less generic than most generic club songs, but it's still generic).

 

And Etta James' voice sounds so MALE.

 

Up to #4 on iTunes. I'm glad to see it doing well after the epic flops of his last few singles, hopefully it'll be a big hit in the UK as well.

The One That Got Away is doing incredibly! :o Already up to #19.

The One That Got Away is doing incredibly! :o Already up to #19.

 

I look forward to hearing the inevitable 'get me to #1' rap remix :lol:

 

-x-

 

11. 5 O'Clock (feat. Wiz Khalifa & Lily Allen) - T-Pain

 

I heard this the other day, I really like it, the sample works much better than I thought it would. Hopefully it will knock Party Rock Anthem out of the top 10 soon (what is that doing STILL up there? -_-) It obviousy won't be that big here as it's got the curse of Wiz Khalifa but I think it could sitll be a UK top 20 hit (and T-Pain's biggest hit to date as the lead artist).

Edited November 2, 201113 yr by Bré

I wouldn't think Katy would get #1 again, the song isn't #1 material lol

04. Flo Rida - Good Feeling

13. Glee Cast - Last Friday Night

18. Katy Perry - The One That Got Away

55. Britney Spears - Criminal

 

Party In The Usa deserved number one.

A Thousand Years #21 :wub:

 

This is going like a yo-yo!

9. 5 O'Clock (feat. Wiz Khalifa & Lily Allen) - T-Pain :D

 

Paradise at #17 :D Fantastic to see it holding up so well despite lack of airplay. Princess Of China now down to #36 :( On the bright side, their album is #1 on sales of over 450k :D Nowhere near the first week sales of their last 2 albums but that was to be expected, 450k is still great.

 

Egh, Bieber/Mariah at #32 :puke:

 

Adele - RITD down to #39 again, that's more like it. I wonder what caused it to go back up to the high 20s the other day?

 

Glee:

13. Last Friday Night (Glee Cast Version) - Glee Cast

28. Take Care of Yourself (Glee Cast Version) - Glee Cast

30. Waiting for a Girl Like You (Glee Cast Version) - Glee Cast

35. Candyman (Glee Cast Version) - Glee Cast

43. Bein' Green (Glee Cast Version) - Glee Cast

Edited November 2, 201113 yr by Bré

T-Pain and Flo Rida in the top 10, with Bruno to follow soon. :D

 

17 through 20 (Paradise, Ni**as in Paris, Dance (A*$), and The One That Got Away) should all be MUCH higher.

T-Pain and Flo Rida in the top 10, with Bruno to follow soon. :D

 

T-Pain and Flo Rida. :D I wonder if either of them will ever get a hit as big as Low again. Although that'd be pretty much impossible tbh.

We Found Love is officially Rihanna's 11th Billboard Hot 100 #1 :D Aside from The Beatles and Mariah (20 and 18 respectively) Michael Jackson's 13 is the highest tally, so Rihanna should move up to 3rd on the all-time list before long then slowly work away at the top 2. Fun times.

 

And Adele is FINALLY #1 on Radio Songs after five weeks stalling at #2 :w00t: I was worried it was never going to get there. I should think it'll get a few weeks at #1.

 

Apparently T-Pain has had the most (now tied with Rihanna, but he'll be at least temporarily back ahead in the foreseeable future as I'd imagine 5 O'Clock will get there) Radio Songs top 10 hits since July 2005, with 17 :unsure: I didn't even know he'd had seventeen SONGS since then, let alone 17 radio top 10 hits. I assume most are featured appearances but even then...

 

Mr. Know It All up to #10 on the Hot 100 :D

 

Adele down to #4 on the albums chart due to Coldplay/Kelly/Bublé, but has actually increased in sales (by 1%). Crazy.

 

Latest Digital Songs chart:

1 Rihanna feat. Calvin Harris - We Found Love 243k (up 5%)

2 LMFAO - Sexy And I Know It 206k (down 1%)

3 Adele - Someone Like You 150k (down 14%)

4 Foster The People - Pumped Up Kicks 132k (down 13%) - rising 2 places despite the big sales decline.

5 Maroon 5 feat. Christina Aguilera - Moves Like Jagger 126k (down 11%) - ditto.

6 David Guetta feat. Usher - Without You 117k (down 7%) - ditto again.

7 Gym Class Heroes feat. Adam Levine - Stereo Hearts 109k (down 12%) - four in a row.

8 Coldplay feat. Rihanna - Princess Of China 105k (new) :cheer:

9 Kelly Clarkson - Mr. Know It All 104k (up 60%)

10 Flo Rida - Good Feeling 100k (up 63%)

 

8-10 are great additions to the top 10 :D Replacing Mistletoe (thank GOD), Make Me Proud (meh) and Paradise (BOO, but at least another Coldplay song has taken its place).

Yay for Mr. Know It All finally going top 10! Well deserved.