August 17, 201113 yr You don't know also for how many years some of TT are playing instruments. And they are not playing Rachmaninov :lol: . I won't put playing instruments as so high and only to be aquired till you are 18. In fact my neighbourh learn now a new instruments and she play in a little orchestra (ok, amateur), but she is easily over 50. It wasn't so much that they weren't very proficient - they just looked awkward. The difference with Take That and your neighbour - is that they aren't amateurs - why make themselves look like amateurs. Why have a dog and bark yourself. Kath
August 17, 201113 yr I think that lies inthe eyes of each one, as for me this part was not awkard but the one i enjoyed the most.
August 17, 201113 yr I HUGELY agree. No matter what they say at the documentaries I do not believe the 5 sat down and came up with the music and lyrics. :cheer: :cheer: :cheer: I'm not going to comment on the rest of your post - I'm just so amazed that we finally agree on something! :lol: Kath
August 17, 201113 yr I HUGELY agree. No matter what they say at the documentaries I do not believe the 5 sat down and came up with the music and lyrics. :cheer: :cheer: :cheer: I'm not going to comment on the rest of your post - I'm just so amazed that we finally agree on something! :lol: Kath But what do they say at the documentaries that you're so sceptical? From what I remember Robbie said he wrote loads of lyrics before they went to studio, so yes this is actually true. He said he wanted to be very well prepared for the sessions. And I don't see anything suspicious and impossible for Gary that he prepared the backing tracks before they went to studio. I don't think they ever said that 5 of them sat down and came up with all music and lyrics within the session time. Moreover in this interview Gary says that some backing tracks he sent (via internet) to Rob and Mark (of course separately ;)) so they clearly worked at home before they went to studio. Gary also said that some of them they wrote as 5 in the studio (maybe using Rob's previously written lyrics). (around 3:30) AH_PnQ6YtvM Edited August 17, 201113 yr by FireWoman
August 17, 201113 yr :cheer: :cheer: :cheer: I'm not going to comment on the rest of your post - I'm just so amazed that we finally agree on something! :lol: Kath THAT was an achievement! (I quoted the wrong part of your post but lets not ruin it! :teresa: ) I wasn't really going to write this long post (it was my opinion on the album since Xmas) but I guess I am a little fed up with TT lately. Never been a huge fan of them as a band but I've talked to much about them lately, listened to a 'TT' album too many times and even watched too much of them online and live... :lol: The 'permanent' reunion suggestion is what brought me to the boiling point :lol: ""But what do they say at the documentaries that you're so sceptical?"" Everything they say. It is business after all, isn't it? (and it HAD to sound like a full reunion, like the four of them brainstorming together to come up with the songs) When a song supposed to be written by GB does not sound like him and a chorus Robbie wrote does not sound like RW I cannot simply believe anything they say... Whether Robbie did or didn't have the lions share in the making of Progress is not sth we are going to agree on I see. But it doesn't matter anymore, the album's success is equally down to Robbie and TT4 imo anyway.
August 17, 201113 yr THAT was an achievement! (I quoted the wrong part of your post but lets not ruin it! :teresa: ) ""But what do they say at the documentaries that you're so sceptical?"" Everything they say. It is business after all, isn't it? (and it HAD to sound like a full reunion, like the four of them brainstorming together to come up with the songs) When a song supposed to be written by GB does not sound like him and a chorus Robbie wrote does not sound like RW I cannot simply believe anything they say... Whether Robbie did or didn't have the lions share in the making of Progress is not sth we are going to agree on I see. But it doesn't matter anymore, the album's success is equally down to Robbie and TT4 imo anyway. give me the exact examples, please :) I don't know, maybe I'm too naive. Usually I'm miles away from a pop world, especially when it comes to contemporary music. So I didn't see TT (with or without Rob) as a mainly business thing. I'm accustomed that artists (which I listen to) release music purely from the love for it and for fun, not because for the money (I know it is important too to be financially rewarded for the work, but shouldn't it be the main cause). I don't understand why do you repeat that they looked like the band(or rather vocal group ;-)) brainstorming together to come up with the songs. First of all we didn't see the whole process but only the end of it (when they were finishing the demos, when they had most of melodies and lyrics done). For me in the documentary there wasn't any stretching the truth but rather they gave us too little details. They gave us some snippets and too many guesses. But still for me there were three members who did a lot of work. Rob delivered loads of lyrics (therefore probably a concept behind the album) and many melodies (but not for the every song!), and some songs are clearly collaboration work (for example SOS, KIDZ <--- and from the documentary we can learn that Rob is responsible for The Kinks rip off ;-)). And it should be mentioned once again Gary did ALL BACKING TRACKS. That's why I can't agree with you that this is almost Robbie album. I see 3 creative forces behind it, not one. And TBH I really don't like the idea that everything is credited to "take that", on every song they should name the exact contributor(s). This is probably my last post on that topic, I feel like I've repeated myself already, sorry for that. :P To be honest from the beginning I just wanted to point out that in TT apart from Gary and Rob there is also Mark who writes a lot but for some reason he is constantly omitted (by people and journalists) when it comes to song-writing and overall input in the band. Most people just can't understand why does he have so many leads on albums especially when he has such a distinctive and not so strong voice. Well the answer is obvious for me, because he writes those tunes. 7heDreamer I know this is Rob's forum so I'm sorry about my rant. In the near future Robbie is going to release a solo album. Everything will be back to a norm and I hope you'll be very satisfied with 100% Robbie stuff :)
August 18, 201113 yr Mark Owen playing one string on his bass guitar was particularly amusing. :lol: But overall I find it quite endearing that they try to be more than a vocal group. Now if Jason learnt to play lead guitar instead of strumming it and Mark learnt to use the other three strings, yeah that would be something ;-) And I think that Howard on drums is OK-ish (for that pop/light rock stuff). He can keep up the 4/4 rhythm :-), but it would be interesting to see him playing 5/8 or 6/8 metrum. I don't think anyone can have any reservation towards Gary, he's good.
August 18, 201113 yr give me the exact examples, please :) This is probably my last post on that topic, I feel like I've repeated myself already, sorry for that. :P To be honest from the beginning I just wanted to point out that in TT apart from Gary and Rob there is also Mark who writes a lot but for some reason he is constantly omitted (by people and journalists) when it comes to song-writing and overall input in the band. Most people just can't understand why does he have so many leads on albums especially when he has such a distinctive and not so strong voice. Well the answer is obvious for me, because he writes those tunes. 7heDreamer I know this is Rob's forum so I'm sorry about my rant. In the near future Robbie is going to release a solo album. Everything will be back to a norm and I hope you'll be very satisfied with 100% Robbie stuff :) On the 'examples' I did say almost everything I wanted to in my previous long post... Perhaps I generally underestimate Mark (about his contribution on previous TT albums). I do not like his voice and I know little about him, I don't even know what his solo work did/would look like. :unsure: Now, you sound too sorry... do I scare people away? :lol: :lol: :lol: P.S. have we narrowed it down to 3 people at least now or are we about to be attacked by a Howard or Jason fan? B) :lol: :P Edited August 18, 201113 yr by 7heDreamer
August 18, 201113 yr Because you're such a polite person, you encouraged me to write here one more time :) I think we can head towards something. I think that I've found the reason why we can't agree about the input on Progress. Because you know only Rob's and Gary's styles of writing. And I must agree with you that Gary comes across as a master of pop ballads, but not very good in up-tempo and quirky music. And his lyrics are also quite formulaic and predictable. So obviously anything more bizarre has to be Robbie's influence. But I'm happy that you admitted you don't know much about Mark solo music, and I understand that you don't want to get more familiar with it because you don't like his voice. Fair enough. So how can you wisely judge his input on that album? Maybe he did more than you can guess? Most people think he's smiley, cute, little guy with musical imaginary of a boy band member (narrowed to top 40 pop chart). That can't be further from the truth. Even in the last phase of TT(in the 90s) he was into Radiohead, Jeff Buckley, The Flaming Lips... his second single (was it in 1997?) "Clementine" was about the suicide and his comeback single in 2003 was about the end of the world. I'm not "over the moon" about his first two albums but his progress ;-) in song-writing between those two albums IMO is huge. Personally I find his 3rd solo album from 2004 very good, mature and genuine effort, which is so eclectic in styles. From Ian Dury's influences ( some Honky Tonk and indie-funk...and lyrics with the f***** word ;-)), through rockin' à la Muse track (with the lyrics "..Why don't you murder me?.."), also Beatle-y , maybe even George Harrison feeling on another song, one is like a West End anthem, and some 20s old barbershop feeling on another. Gary mentioned how he was inspired by Coldplay and that HE wanted that sound for the reformed TT - but surprise surprise Mark beat Gary to this in a song "Come On". It's not like a rip off (everyone has some influences Robbie too ;-)). I can't deny I like Mark's musical taste: The Stone Roses, The Smiths, Black Rebel Motorcycle Club, The Waterboys, The Killers, Joy Division amongst others. I also have a feeling he can't be 100% himself in TT (because their songs have to be catchier, poppier, more radio friendly - production is very polished). So overall I think he is very open-minded and capable to come up with more bizarre lyrics and melodies. P.S. Yes I intentionally narrowed down to 3 main songwriters because it is a fact, this isn't any revelation. Howard and Jason said numerous times in the interviews that their contribution is far less than the other 3 members. But who knows how much Howard helped them particularly on Progress, because electronic music is his fave genre and he loves Kreftwerk and apart of being in the band he's also a DJ. :-)
August 18, 201113 yr Firewoman - can I just say that from The Circus album - with the exception of the awful Julie - Mark's songs come off with the highest marks in my opinion. There is only one obviously Gary song on it that I like (Said It All) - apart from that my favourites are the ones that one can see Gary had absolutely nothing to do with - the upbeat Up All Night, Hello ... and possibly the best song on the album - Hold Up A Light. Kath ps - I do think that as this is a Rob forum - when speaking of TT - we should retire to the TT board.
August 24, 201113 yr Author Don't believe its true: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-...s-Mr-Nasty.html
August 25, 201113 yr Don't believe its true: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-...s-Mr-Nasty.html Wow, that article isn't a very nice read is it. It's written by Paul Scott I notice, he has wrote a few unofficial books about Robbie before.
August 25, 201113 yr Wow, that article isn't a very nice read is it. It's written by Paul Scott I notice, he has wrote a few unofficial books about Robbie before. What an easy job 'unauthorised' biographers have! Just re-hash work that's already been done by others ... badly! Kath
August 26, 201113 yr As funny as Robbie is, i cannot think that he woud choose as a producer of his new album someone whom he hate... :lol:
