Hi Everyone,

 

Looking forward to getting Letters from Play any minute. Haven't really listened to the album yet so I'm interested to see if I like it.

Will post a genuine and honest appraisal after I heard it as least four times.

 

Not sure why Starlight is being released after the album. Surely everyone who wants the album would've have bought it. Can't really see Matt as a singles artist. Not sure what it achieves. I can only think it's designed to emphasise that Matt can produce his own penned singles as opposed to members of Take That. Is it proving a point? Matt removing himself completely from the X Factor circus? Not sure. Again I don't know the song well enough to decide what impact it would have as a single.

 

Heard Matt getting a lot of flak re reviews in the broadsheets etc. Not totally unexpected. More interested like Wkd and JaMak to find out how many he sells. Was shocked to hear that albums can sell only 60,000 odd copies to make the number 1 spot. This is a very heavy album time what with Noel G, so I'm hoping if Matt is chasing his skirt tails then he may have sold solid numbers.

 

Will now insert :cheer: smiley because it's cute.

Edited October 14, 201113 yr by 1lennonlove

A no.1 album would literally only need about 30-40k next week. I think Noel and Matt should get top 2 extremely easily.

A no.1 album would literally only need about 30-40k next week. I think Noel and Matt should get top 2 extremely easily.

 

 

Is that all????? How does the music industry make money any more? What will they do when everyone has downloaded and bought back catalogues? Amazing. They must have other ways of making money out of artists like tours etc. Maybe merchandising - which is fine for The Wanted or One Direction but no one is going to buy a Matt Cardle doll.

Touring is usually where the money is. I know that's what McFly made most of their money on. I can see albums becoming a thing of the past in the coming years. People aren't buying them and people aren't releasing them. For example, acts like Dappy and Calvin Harris seem to want to just keep putting out singles rather than bother releasing albums. They will eventually but it's not their priority. I find this sad as I've always loved albums.

Touring is usually where the money is. I know that's what McFly made most of their money on. I can see albums becoming a thing of the past in the coming years. People aren't buying them and people aren't releasing them. For example, acts like Dappy and Calvin Harris seem to want to just keep putting out singles rather than bother releasing albums. They will eventually but it's not their priority. I find this sad as I've always loved albums.

 

 

It is sad. I remember the excitement of getting my first album. It was Rage in Eden by Ultravox (am quite old). My kids have never even bought a CD album. They watch music as opposed to listen to it (you tube etc) Albums are not a string of singles stuck together, there is thought about song orders and risks taken with music because it is not ever meant for singles release. I like the blurb about the artists and the lyrics etc. On the flip side I do love just to be able to download tunes but that's because I'm terribly lazy. Kids will never experience the horrible feeling of being looked down upon by HMV staff because you bought a Nik Kershaw album. It's a rites of passage lost to a new generation. :D

It is sad. I remember the excitement of getting my first album. It was Rage in Eden by Ultravox (am quite old). My kids have never even bought a CD album. They watch music as opposed to listen to it (you tube etc) Albums are not a string of singles stuck together, there is thought about song orders and risks taken with music because it is not ever meant for singles release. I like the blurb about the artists and the lyrics etc. On the flip side I do love just to be able to download tunes but that's because I'm terribly lazy. Kids will never experience the horrible feeling of being looked down upon by HMV staff because you bought a Nik Kershaw album. It's a rites of passage lost to a new generation. :D

 

What a great album Rage in Eden is :dance:

 

One of the trolls on DS is setting a prediction of 80K album sales this week - and he/she thinks that is a disaster - I think the issue is definitional. These people think that anyone who comes from the XF should automatically be a top selling artist, despite the fact that there is no evidence to date of that happening for anyone other than Leona Lewis and groups aimed at 14 year old children. :cry:

 

I'd be bloody delighted if he shipped 80K in the first week so long as sales thereafter were healthy. It's bloody mad.

 

Those who say touring is where the money is are right - but overall there is just not that much money in music anymore (unless you can sell out arena tours). That's why the record companies are focussing on artists who they can market in other ways, dolls, tv ads etc. Why do you think even the most successful artists are sponsoring perfume and the like.

 

 

There is no point comparing Matt's sales with Leona or any other winner because album sales have fallen a whole lot in the past few years.

good morning WKD :)

 

afternoon JaMaK :D

Regarding album sales, I think PurpleNurple's point about the current economic climate and album sales is very relevant, people feel stretched to shell out nearly a tenner when they can get just the tracks they want @ 99p each. Though actually 60,000 (album sales) x £8.99 is the equivalent of 539,400 singles sales at £1!

 

I hope they release Starlight soon, waiting till 5th Dec would be risky with all the press still on RFYL as the lead single.

There is no point comparing Matt's sales with Leona or any other winner because album sales have fallen a whole lot in the past few years.

 

Hi Regina, Wkd and all,

 

I had no idea album sales had fallen so much. Amazing that labels like Columbia have the time and money to invest in new artists. No wonder it's so hard to get signed up esp. if you are not in a boy band etc where label is more likely to get a return in single sales. Matt is so lucky to get signed to a label when you think about it and given the chance to write his own music pretty much the way he wanted to. No wonder he looks so happy. When you remove the xfactor male singer curse from the equation you can see that Matt really got the break he needed.

 

Interesting to see how Rebecca's debut album does as a comparison. 80,000 looks like a great return if true. I'm sure Columbia and Matt will be delighted with this. Coming out of DS you really start to get a sense of perspective again. It's like living under a black cloud of despair there, where you are constantly hit with figures that are no longer relevant to the current climate.

 

Talking of climate Buzz jacks has a weather discussion forum. How desperately British.

Edited October 14, 201113 yr by 1lennonlove

Hi Regina, Wkd and all,

 

I had no idea album sales had fallen so much. Amazing that labels like Columbia have the time and money to invest in new artists. No wonder it's so hard to get signed up esp. if you are not in a boy band etc where label is more likely to get a return in single sales. Matt is so lucky to get signed to a label when you think about it and given the chance to write his own music pretty much the way he wanted to. No wonder he looks so happy. When you remove the xfactor male singer curse from the equation you can see that Matt really got the break he needed.

 

Interesting to see how Rebecca's debut album does as a comparison. 80,000 looks like a great return if true. I'm sure Columbia and Matt will be delighted with this. Coming out of DS you really start to get a sense of perspective again. It's like living under a black cloud of despair there, where you are constantly hit with figures that are no longer relevant to the current climate.

Talking of climate Buzz jacks has a weather discussion forum. How desperately British.

 

oo, must go and look for that, I quite fancy a moan about the weather whilst waiting for my 2cd Letters to arrive!

 

I think Rebecca's album will sell really well, and she doesn't have the XF winner millstone to carry round her neck either so it's unlikely she'll suffer the jibes and wilfull mis-interpretation of every comment that Matt is currently getting. I see the promo for her album is starting already.

oo, must go and look for that, I quite fancy a moan about the weather whilst waiting for my 2cd Letters to arrive!

 

I think Rebecca's album will sell really well, and she doesn't have the XF winner millstone to carry round her neck either so it's unlikely she'll suffer the jibes and wilfull mis-interpretation of every comment that Matt is currently getting. I see the promo for her album is starting already.

 

I know JaMak- she can just come in a be that happy underdog people in the UK adore. it is a very British thing to hate a winner. This would not happen in the US.

 

Part of me never wanted Matt to win X Factor because I knew he would have to fight so hard just to keep the wolves at bay. It is true about X Factor - people will pay money to support an artist by voting every week but never think about them again outside of the X Factor arena. It's not really a route I would recommend for a musical artist unless like Matt you feel it is your only option left. However the British public are fickle and maybe after a year of being outcast for winning and crushed soundly by music critics, trolls and gutter press Matt will be allowed his renaissance as a musician and develop a solid career as a singer/songwriter. B-)

Hi Regina, Wkd and all,

 

I had no idea album sales had fallen so much. Amazing that labels like Columbia have the time and money to invest in new artists. No wonder it's so hard to get signed up esp. if you are not in a boy band etc where label is more likely to get a return in single sales. Matt is so lucky to get signed to a label when you think about it and given the chance to write his own music pretty much the way he wanted to. No wonder he looks so happy. When you remove the xfactor male singer curse from the equation you can see that Matt really got the break he needed.

 

Interesting to see how Rebecca's debut album does as a comparison. 80,000 looks like a great return if true. I'm sure Columbia and Matt will be delighted with this. Coming out of DS you really start to get a sense of perspective again. It's like living under a black cloud of despair there, where you are constantly hit with figures that are no longer relevant to the current climate.

 

Talking of climate Buzz jacks has a weather discussion forum. How desperately British.

 

They make even less money from singles - even if a single sells 300K copies which is a huge seller, that's only £300K and you need to produce a video for each one which will take out a big chunk of that, not to mention promotion of them too. That's why merchandising is so important for single artists because the single itself is virtually a loss leader. The holy grail is an arena tour where, if they do 10 dates, of c10,000 per date at £30 a ticket the gross is £3m which totally dwarfs the record receipts. The fixed costs are enormous though so you need to know you are going to sell more than half of the tickets or you lose money - but if you can sell them all!! Springsteen's The Rising Tour grossed more than $200m dollars, and was relatively cheap to put on cos he doesn't have a "show" as such. But that's the big leagues

Edited October 14, 201113 yr by wkdstepmother

I know JaMak- she can just come in a be that happy underdog people in the UK adore. it is a very British thing to hate a winner. This would not happen in the US.

 

Part of me never wanted Matt to win X Factor because I knew he would have to fight so hard just to keep the wolves at bay. It is true about X Factor - people will pay money to support an artist by voting every week but never think about them again outside of the X Factor arena. It's not really a route I would recommend for a musical artist unless like Matt you feel it is your only option left. However the British public are fickle and maybe after a year of being outcast for winning and crushed soundly by music critics, trolls and gutter press Matt will be allowed his renaissance as a musician and develop a solid career as a singer/songwriter. B-)

 

It really annoys me how they all voted for him to win but when it comes around to him releasing music, they just moan and dig the knife in. He can't win, poor soul :(

 

Also, anyone else want a duet with Alanis Morissette? :kink: Neither of them have anything to lose by it and they both have voices that would work well, his cover of

Uninvited proved that.

Edited October 14, 201113 yr by Regina

They make even less money from singles - even if a single sells 300K copies which is a huge seller, that's only £300K and you need to produce a video for each one which will take out a big chunk of that, not to mention promotion of them too. That's why merchandising is so important for single artists because the single itself is virtually a loss leader. The holy grail is an arena tour where, if they do 10 dates, of c10,000 per date at £30 a ticket the gross is £3m which totally dwarfs the record receipts. The fixed costs are enormous though so you need to know you are going to sell more than half of the tickets or you lose money - but if you can sell them all!! Springsteen's The Rising Tour grossed more than $200m dollars, and was relatively cheap to put on cos he doesn't have a "show" as such. But that's the big leagues

 

 

Wow multi quoting :lol: I remember how much Queen earned on some of their big South American tours, but their stage package was enormous. Can't see how Matt can make Columbia any money? He is only likely to tour theatres for at least a while. I wonder if his financial appeal is his song writing? He can write for others as well as himself. Sony probably own his publishing rights as well. Catalogues can be a real long term investment. Then again studio time costs a lot of money and he's currently making another girl related video for Starlight. They obviously see something in him. I am surprised they allowed a second single out from the album. Is the video costing him or the label? Is he further in debt with Syco because of it? I'd be happy with just a band shoot if truth be told. One of my favourite Queen videos ever is "I want it all", which is just a video of the band singing.

 

It really annoys me how they all voted for him to win but when it comes around to him releasing music, they just moan and dig the knife in. He can't win, poor soul :(

 

 

 

Also, anyone else want a duet with Alanis Morissette? :kink: Neither of them have anything to lose by it and they both have voices that would work well, his cover of

Uninvited proved that.

 

 

I love Jagged Little Pill. It sold over 16 million copies in the US along. Alanis also had a lot to prove with that album coming from a very cute pop background. I watched a very serious programme once that discussed in great detail her misuse of the term "ironic"

Edited October 14, 201113 yr by 1lennonlove

It really annoys me how they all voted for him to win but when it comes around to him releasing music, they just moan and dig the knife in. He can't win, poor soul :(

 

Also, anyone else want a duet with Alanis Morissette? :kink: Neither of them have anything to lose by it and they both have voices that would work well, his cover of

Uninvited proved that.

 

It could be a bit of magic moment but not sure how they'd harmonise it - the beauty of that song is the starkness of the notes. Also it's not a song that's a dialogue so duetting it might be a bit odd. Also, I really want Matt to get the recognition he deserves for his own material first, and then do stuff like that. There's no doubt his cover of Uninvited is incredible but that was my one 'criticism' of him doing it in his gigs, that it was a cover at a time when he was launching his own material. btw, do you know if Alanis is tiny or tall?

 

Have you seen this yet Regina - if not, get your hanky at the ready

oh, it won't let me post the link as I've not made enough posts :(

 

go to Channel4 t4 music matt cardle exclusive

 

Doing a cover was a good idea, it shows some vairety, plus Uninvited isn't really a huge song in this country so its not the same as if he did something like

Chasing Cars.

I was meaning a new song, that could feature of her album (whenever she releases it) :D Or just an album track on a future album, or even a non-album single.

I think Alanis is kinda small, not as small as Kylie though :P Why?

 

Is that his performance of Walking on Water? Or something else?

Doing a cover was a good idea, it shows some vairety, plus Uninvited isn't really a huge song in this country so its not the same as if he did something like

Chasing Cars.

I was meaning a new song, that could feature of her album (whenever she releases it) :D Or just an album track on a future album, or even a non-album single.

I think Alanis is kinda small, not as small as Kylie though :P Why?

 

Is that his performance of Walking on Water? Or something else?

 

oh it was certainly a great showcase for his 'rocking out' skills - it absolutely blew me away watching it live.

lol at idea of him doing 'Chasing Cars'

 

mmm, possibility of them doing a new song together - release as a single; could be cool!

 

Re: tiny or tall, just that Rihanna sort of towered over him with her high heels (not that it really mattered) but would like his future duetting partners to be slightly shorter than him (sorry if that's a bit shallow of me)

 

And yes, Walking on Water, so you've seen it then?

 

 

Of all the versions of Uninvited I have seen, his is the best (aside from Alanis's original of course)

 

Its never likely to happen, but ya never know :lol:

 

In that case, he should duet with Kylie :P

 

I knew about it but didn't watch it, avoiding all album performances, sticking only to the single, b-sides and Sparks :D

Of all the versions of Uninvited I have seen, his is the best (aside from Alanis's original of course)

 

Its never likely to happen, but ya never know :lol:

 

In that case, he should duet with Kylie :P

 

I knew about it but didn't watch it, avoiding all album performances, sticking only to the single, b-sides and Sparks :D

 

 

I've done the same. Had very little to do with album because I want to hear the whole thing. I have heard the one he did on X Factor. Can't remember what it's called. Brains gone.

 

I love Sparks -

 

Matt is a little person but he totally held his own against the amazonian Rhianna. I liked the way their voices fitted together where she sang the low notes and he did the high. Worked really well.