I find all this nostalgia about the days of physical singles ironic, since they are presumably the same people who, in deserting the format in favour of downloads, effectively killed it. ;)

 

I dont have nostalgia for the format - I have nostalgia for the time when availability came to an end and crowd pleasing shite didn't clog up the charts with 9 month chart runs.

I dont have nostalgia for the format - I have nostalgia for the time when availability came to an end and crowd pleasing shite didn't clog up the charts with 9 month chart runs.

 

To be fair, I agree a bit. The download era favours generic songs which the MOR radio stations play for years and years constantly which allows them to get insanely high sales (I Gotta Feeling, for example).

What they should do is put a song up for a limited time for example 3 months then take it away for 2 months until everyones forgotten about it, maybe this way people would feel the need to download which could result in big sales at the start and the end of the 3 month period.

 

That's if you actually care about songs being in the chart for ages. :P I think if a song is popular enough to be T40 3 months after release it should stay there tbh :D even if it's really overplayed shite that would still be overplayed by radio if it wasn't available for download one day. Having said that I still moan when the charts are stale and people are climbing on their 22nd week in the chart because their price dropped by 40p for a limited time :angry:

Edited November 18, 201113 yr by danielXF

Yes but popular with who? Popular with people who dont really give a shit about music and only hear songs on X Factor or music tv or rubbish radio stations.

Yes but popular with who? Popular with people who dont really give a shit about music and only hear songs on X Factor or music tv or rubbish radio stations.

 

Well, the should count towards the chart in all fairness. But I agree, they've made the chart sooooooooo boring in the past few years. I Gotta Feeling has probably spent around 2 years in the iTunes top 100. It's just ridiculous. And it seems to be all the least interesting songs that hang around for ages aswell.

 

I'm loving all the movement and new entries we're having in the chart this week. But the thing is, it was like this every week in the past, now it's a rarity.

Could I get the sales of:

Kelly Clarkson ~ MKIA

RHCP ~ The Adventures Of Raindance Maggie

Foster The People ~ PUK

If you've any indication of where MKIA and PUK are in the ytd,I'd like to know their placings too!

 

Thanks in advance!

 

MKIA 116.5k ~115-120th

AORM 28.5k to 21/10

PUK 191.5k ~103rd

 

I dont have nostalgia for the format - I have nostalgia for the time when availability came to an end and crowd pleasing shite didn't clog up the charts with 9 month chart runs.

 

In other words, when the charts didn't reflect the true popularity of music, but only that of what record companies deigned to let them buy? :rolleyes:

Edited November 19, 201113 yr by vidcapper

In other words, when the charts didn't reflect the true popularity of music, but only that of what record companies deigned to let them buy? :rolleyes:

 

I dont see the problem with that. What is so important about measuring true popularity when people, in general, are vegetables when it comes to music as an art form and not as a product?

Edited November 19, 201113 yr by tonyttt31

I dont see the problem with that. What is so important about measuring true popularity when people, in general, are vegetables when it comes to music as an art form and not as a product?

 

Well, the chart becomes a farce when many songs that've sold enough to qualify, are artificially excluded. Have you forgotten what happened at the start of 2007 when downloads were unconditionally included for the first time?

 

To summarise : no less than 36 previously excluded songs re-entered the top 200 : 11 of those in top 75, and 4 in the top 40!

 

I dont see the problem with that. What is so important about measuring true popularity when people, in general, are vegetables when it comes to music as an art form and not as a product?

 

The charts should be a dispassionate account of what is selling the most, nothing more, nothing less. That is 'true popularity'. It's nothing to do with your own personal opinion as to what makes good music, or what people 'should' be buying. I don't like the annual rubbish The X-Factor serves up, to which the drones obediently trot out to buy in their hundreds of thousands, but it is 'popular' so does well in the charts.

 

Is there a little bit of musical snobbery going on here Iwonder. Most people just listen to the radio etc and buy tracks they like. I don't see how that's any less important than those who are *seriously* into music and consider every note an 'art form'.

The charts should be a dispassionate account of what is selling the most, nothing more, nothing less. That is 'true popularity'. It's nothing to do with your own personal opinion as to what makes good music, or what people 'should' be buying. I don't like the annual rubbish The X-Factor serves up, to which the drones obediently trot out to buy in their hundreds of thousands, but it is 'popular' so does well in the charts.

 

Is there a little bit of musical snobbery going on here Iwonder. Most people just listen to the radio etc and buy tracks they like. I don't see how that's any less important than those who are *seriously* into music and consider every note an 'art form'.

 

Well, I see musical snobbery in the bold bit in your post tbh. :lol: You make it seem like the people that buy X Factor songs are robots or brainwashed or something. :lol:

I'm not saying the charts should be rigged or that anything should be excluded. I just mourn the days when the general public couldn't buy a Googoo Dolls or a Calling song en masse just because it got huge exposure. The charts are simply not the same - be it for better or worse. Worse for me, and I have accepted it.

Well, the chart becomes a farce when many songs that've sold enough to qualify, are artificially excluded. Have you forgotten what happened at the start of 2007 when downloads were unconditionally included for the first time?

 

To summarise : no less than 36 previously excluded songs re-entered the top 200 : 11 of those in top 75, and 4 in the top 40!

 

 

and they were all populist tripe no doubt.

Well, I see musical snobbery in the bold bit in your post tbh. :lol: You make it seem like the people that buy X Factor songs are robots or brainwashed or something. :lol:

 

They are :)

It's nothing to do with 'musical snobbery' X-Factor is popular because people just buy into all that stuff, and are willing to buy the winner's single *whatever* it is, apparently. Personanally I think the X-Factor is crap but my own opinion is of no real importance. The fact that all these people just download the bloody thing after the winner is announced is the disturbing thing.

Edited November 19, 201113 yr by Col1967

Although I do think that the system we have now is the fairest way of calculating the charts (barring weird exceptions like "Paradise"), I agree with Tony in that it's far easier now for certain individuals/companies/movements to manipulate the charts by getting songs back in via mass exposure. Before downloads, certain aspects of the charts (like deleting singles after a certain number of weeks) were essentially unfair but they were a least upheld by convention rather than what we have now whereby a TV show can effectively rig the charts.

 

I know the counter-argument to this is that you can't rig the charts because it's a democracy and people buy what they want to buy, but advertising works in funny ways.

They are :)

It's nothing to do with 'musical snobbery' X-Factor is popular because people just buy into all that stuff, and are willing to buy the winner's single *whatever* it is, apparently. Personanally I think the X-Factor is crap but my own opinion is of no real importance. The fact that all these people just download the bloody thing after the winner is announced is the disturbing thing.

 

To be honest, I thought you'd just mid-worded your post, but if you do genuinely think people who buy X Factor songs are brainwashed robots, then :blink:!

 

I think the reason X Factor songs sell so well is simply that they're just advertised VERY well.

and they were all populist tripe no doubt.

 

'Populist' : derived from the word popular.

 

You might not like such songs, but clearly lots of other people do, so we all have to grin & bear certain songs we don't like being in the charts. ;)

'Populist' : derived from the word popular.

 

You might not like such songs, but clearly lots of other people do, so we all have to grin & bear certain songs we don't like being in the charts. ;)

 

The fact that it's derived from 'popular' is entirely the point. Tony's saying that the majority of the music-buying public has shit taste, hence the high amount of stuff he doesn't like in the charts. I'm more of the opinion that said public has the capacity to have very good taste but they're always spoonfed their music so you have to take the rough with the smooth. The charts will never be truly representational because not every song gets the same promotion.

The Saturdays TD Sales for..

'Higher'

'Notorious'

'All Fired Up'

Please? :)

The Saturdays TD Sales for..

'Higher'

'Notorious'

'All Fired Up'

Please? :)

 

I'll answer these this time, but I'll refer to 'note 5' the next time someone asks me about Higher & Notorious.

 

H 294k to 17/9 (no longer tracked)

N 172k

AFU 178.5k

Surprised Jar of Hearts isnt higher as it seems to have been in the top 10 for ages. Great song though.