January 17, 201213 yr I wanted a way of making myself feel better, so I had a look at which 'rock' acts are due to release this year and have a chance (however small) of either making #1 or figuring in either year-end top 20: Biffy Clyro Bullet For My Valentine Green Day The Killers Linkin Park Lostprophets Noel Gallagher & Amorphous Androgynous Metallica Muse Paramore Queens of the Stone Age Rage Against the Machine Bruce Spirngsteen U2 Vampire Weekend Big year actually. Obviously not all of them will do brilliantly, but all have at least a solid chance of a #1 in a very quiet sales week.
January 17, 201213 yr Jonas Brothers? Busted? McFly? Coldplay are a rock band in the broadest sense of the word in that they are centred around the electric guitar, bass guitar and drums. They make songs which are fawned over by mainstream radio and aren't particularly heavy or extreme, therefore they are a rock band who write pop songs. Indie doesn't come into it, they haven't been on an independent label since 1999 and their music is influenced by the alternative rock scene, not the indie scene. The word 'indie' on this forum is used as if it means a less heavy brand of rock music, which is completely wrong. Have you seen what the indies are putting out now? The indie chart is filled with crap no mainstream label would sign. Indie, in the old fashioned sense, means that its music that is more daring, artistic or specialist and the mainstream thought it wasn't commercial. Of course when the mainstream saw money in it they signed similar acts but the idea of the 'indie' performer remained. It no longer matters if you are on an independant label, its a sound that grew from the independant labels and that Coldplay uses and that publications like NME and Q perpetuate as 'real'. Coldplay in particular started with music that wasn't commercial. They started in an era of S Club/Steps and they were bringing out stuff like Yellow which was the complete opposite. Their music has electric guitar elements but most often the main part is the piano for the melody. Alt. Rock and Indie has a massive overlap though, you could probably consider Alt. Rock to make up 90% of the indie sound and Folk Rock the other 10% people who have a wider knowledge of music than the average Chasing Cars fan. The difference between the people who bought Eyes Open and those who bought A Hundred Million Suns I should think. Chasing Cars has a radio effect that often just grows randomly. There is also a reason Leona's Run sold more than the original and its not the song. It's pretty similar to the list I posted the other week that was from MTV Rocks, which included 2 Ed Sheeran songs in the top 6, including You Don't Need Me... Although they did exclude James Morrison. I don't really see why people are so caught up on what is rock or not, all genres are ridiculously loose these days, it's painfully obvious that the majority of these songs are broadly speaking, reasonably similar and played/promoted in the same places. A better title would be 'Top 20 selling songs you'll probably hear on Absolute Radio" MTV Rocks played Michael Kiwanuka the other day! How the mighty have fallen. :cry: You have to feel for MTV Rocks, they have very little new and genuinely popular to play Edited January 17, 201213 yr by Paramore
January 17, 201213 yr Jonas Brothers? Busted? McFly? Well, I guess you lose the "rock" label if your target audience are tweens. It doesn't seem complicated to you because you are happy with your definition of rock. Others are not. By me? You'll see all of those songs being playlisted at rock radio stations (KROQ, US' biggest rock station, playlisted everything by Coldplay and Foster the People), will see them playing rock festivals, will see them being covered in websites targeted at rock enthusiasts, etc. (with the exception of James Morrison probably).
January 17, 201213 yr Echoing the 'what?' at some of the inclusions on the singles list - Birdy I can very vaguely understand as it's a Bon Iver cover (but there's no Little Mix who should theoretically be included as well on that logic) but James Morrison?! Quite depressing that only half of the list are 2011 releases, although at least the older songs are pretty decent on the whole (with 2 very obvious exceptions). Fix You and Viva La Vida both shifting another 100k-ish each in 2011 is great :D But it's upsetting to think Goo Goo Dolls would almost certainly have topped this list if it weren't for Paradise's enormous promo push in the last weeks of the year. Pumped Up Kicks' success is really a one-of-a-kind, the only debut single for an indie/rock act the whole year which did anything really. I hope it can sell 400k+ in the long run, it's still yet to leave the top 100 after 30 weeks, could be back in the top 20 this week and is about to pass the 250k mark :D I wanted a way of making myself feel better, so I had a look at which 'rock' acts are due to release this year and have a chance (however small) of either making #1 or figuring in either year-end top 20: Biffy Clyro Bullet For My Valentine Green Day The Killers Linkin Park Lostprophets Noel Gallagher & Amorphous Androgynous Metallica Muse Paramore Queens of the Stone Age Rage Against the Machine Bruce Springsteen U2 Vampire Weekend Big year actually. Obviously not all of them will do brilliantly, but all have at least a solid chance of a #1 in a very quiet sales week. Rage are doing a new album? :o Biffy, Green Day, The Killers, Muse and U2 from that list are practically guaranteed to hit #1 unless there's another '21' size album or their releases clash, I agree most of the others could hit #1 as well although I don't think Bullet For My Valentine have much of a chance unless it's an EXTREMELY dead week. I think I read somewhere that U2 are releasing more than one album in 2012 as well? Although that may well be bollocks that I just made up on a Google search :lol: Edited January 17, 201213 yr by Bré
January 17, 201213 yr Well, I guess you lose the "rock" label if your target audience are tweens. By me? You'll see all of those songs being playlisted at rock radio stations (KROQ, US' biggest rock station, playlisted everything by Coldplay and Foster the People), will see them playing rock festivals, will see them being covered in websites targeted at rock enthusiasts, etc. (with the exception of James Morrison probably). In the words of The Killers 'Its indie Rock and Roll for me!' :D
January 17, 201213 yr I have a vague feeling that Muse wont hit number 1 with their next album. They'll do 100,000 but be beaten by a bigger album whatever week they release. Edited January 17, 201213 yr by Sinner
January 17, 201213 yr There is also a reason Leona's Run sold more than the original and its not the song. If it wasn't the song then doesn't that make your point irrelevent to the discussion? Edited January 17, 201213 yr by Sinner
January 17, 201213 yr I have a vague feeling that Muse wont hit number 1 with their next album. They'll do 100,000 but be beaten by a bigger album whatever week they release. Unless they release right at the end of Q4 I'd say 100k would be more than enough in pretty much any week unless another '21'-sized phenomenon happens. Muse are just an act that are guaranteed to get to #1 whenever they release a new studio album IMO.
January 17, 201213 yr If it wasn't the song then doesn't that make your point irrelevent to the discussion? How so? I'm saying that radio and TV factors in massively to the popularity of songs as if people trust the station to determine the quality. The song Run is practically irrelevant here. Its a stunning song but it wasn't until Leona sang it that the mainstream took any notice. So yes, their better songs don't sell as much because their better songs don't get the same amount of attention. Magic plays Chasing Cars on TV, they don't air the band's current material for example.
January 17, 201213 yr But like I said, we need the OCC's definition of DANCE singles. That'd be interesting. Out of interest, why do you think that would that be interesting? It's easier to tell a dance song than it is a rock song I think, so it would be just what we expect. The OCC consider Beautiful People by Chris Brown, Sweat by Snoop Dogg, We Found Love/Where Have You Been by Rihanna, Down For Whatever by Kelly Rowland, The Time by the Black Eyed Peas, etc. as dance songs. As well as the usual suspects like David Guetta, LMFAO, Skrillex, Nero, DJ Fresh, etc.
January 17, 201213 yr Biffy, Green Day, The Killers, Muse and U2 from that list are practically guaranteed to hit #1 unless there's another '21' size album or their releases clash, I agree most of the others could hit #1 as well although I don't think Bullet For My Valentine have much of a chance unless it's an EXTREMELY dead week. I think I read somewhere that U2 are releasing more than one album in 2012 as well? Although that may well be bollocks that I just made up on a Google search :lol: I think that's true, they said at one point that they have four albums ready to release of which only one is their "proper" next album. Bullet I would imagine will be similar to You Me At Six, perhaps closer to 30k. "Scream Aim Fire" did 23k opening week in 2008 and "Fever" 22k in 2010, but I get the feeling that they'll make a bigger splash this time. Kerrang will be backing them to the hilt unless their release is within a couple of weeks of Green Day, Biffy or Paramore and if January is anything to go by we could be having a few weeks where 30k is all you need for #1.
January 17, 201213 yr Out of interest, why do you think that would that be interesting? It's easier to tell a dance song than it is a rock song I think, so it would be just what we expect. The OCC consider Beautiful People by Chris Brown, Sweat by Snoop Dogg, We Found Love/Where Have You Been by Rihanna, Down For Whatever by Kelly Rowland, The Time by the Black Eyed Peas, etc. as dance songs. As well as the usual suspects like David Guetta, LMFAO, Skrillex, Nero, DJ Fresh, etc. But let's say Britney Spears' I Wanna Go wouldn't be ranked as a dance song? Or Katy Perry's Firework? Or Gaga's Marry the Night? My point is that regarding charts ALL genre boundaries are just built up and thus pretty pointless. Edited January 17, 201213 yr by SKOB
January 17, 201213 yr But let's say Britney Spears' I Wanna Go wouldn't be ranked as a dance song? Or Katy Perry's Firework? Or Gaga's Marry the Night? My point is that regarding charts ALL genre boundaries are just built up and thus pretty pointless. This is what the OCC have on their dance chart this week: http://www.theofficialcharts.com/dance-charts/ I'd call all the ones you mentioned as dance-pop (and most of the songs on the OCC's dance chart I'd also classify as dance-pop tbh).
January 17, 201213 yr Unless they release right at the end of Q4 I'd say 100k would be more than enough in pretty much any week unless another '21'-sized phenomenon happens. Muse are just an act that are guaranteed to get to #1 whenever they release a new studio album IMO. There are several artists that could eclipse their 100,000 sales at any time of the year - for example if the ended up releasing the same week as Madonna then they could lose out, and many others like her. The chances are that they will get their number but it's far from a certainty.
January 17, 201213 yr There are several artists that could eclipse their 100,000 sales at any time of the year - for example if the ended up releasing the same week as Madonna then they could lose out, and many others like her. The chances are that they will get their number but it's far from a certainty. Madonna if anything would be the underdog there, "Hard Candy" débuted with 90k whereas "The Resistance" did 140k in its first week. It'd depend on the singles.
January 17, 201213 yr Madonna if anything would be the underdog there, "Hard Candy" débuted with 90k whereas "The Resistance" did 140k in its first week. It'd depend on the singles. indeed. Singles, reviews and general buzz.
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