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Excuse you?!

You can have an opinion on their vocal abilities by all means, but don't be disrespectful.

I know she doesn't read this forum, but there's no need for that.

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I don't even get the Tranessa reference :(
I don't even get the Tranessa reference :(

 

Callum's avatar says it all. It's just a reference to the strained facial expression she made during the last bridge of What About Us during their performance on Jay Leno. Apparently she looks like a drag queen. ;)

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You can't just release a "hit", though. You need airplay, TV rotation, tons of promotion and a bit of buzz around you. If they release in Q4 again like On Your Radar they'll get completely overshadowed and flop AGAIN.

 

It seems clear now that the reason the album is being pushed back is so they can do the Justin Bieber tour, which I don't think there's much point in doing now since the US campaign is dead.

 

I completely disagree with all of this post. I doubt they'll get "completely overshadowed and flop again". Their going to have their biggest selling single from this album, 3 singles and no doubt airplay will be much better. Promotion was a major problem with On Your Radar due to the incident with Frankie.

 

I think going on tour with Bieber would be the best thing for them, it would be nice to see them focusing on America, I assume it's when E! will commision a second series as they will be in America for 2months I assume. The us campaign seems dead, but if you look at Ellie Goudling, she managed to make Lights a hit when she bothered to go back to America and started to promote.

I completely disagree with all of this post. I doubt they'll get "completely overshadowed and flop again". Their going to have their biggest selling single from this album, 3 singles and no doubt airplay will be much better. Promotion was a major problem with On Your Radar due to the incident with Frankie.

 

I think going on tour with Bieber would be the best thing for them, it would be nice to see them focusing on America, I assume it's when E! will commision a second series as they will be in America for 2months I assume. The us campaign seems dead, but if you look at Ellie Goudling, she managed to make Lights a hit when she bothered to go back to America and started to promote.

 

They're about to have their biggest selling single, yes, but What About Us has not exactly been massive has it? Before anyone attacks me, I've always said What About Us has been a hit and that it's definitely saved their airplay/reputation but it might *only* sell about 400K, which is still amazing, but will NOT sell an album by itself. Look at Cheryl releasing 'Call My Name', for example. That was a big #1 and had tons of airplay yet her album pretty much sold nothing. Look at the likes of Gotye and Carly Rae Jepsen who had the biggest selling songs of last year yet failed to even go Gold with their albums. Rita Ora had two massive #1's last year and her album only just went platinum, and at the same time Little Mix have had four singles and tons of promotion and haven't went platinum. Just because you're popular with singles doesn't mean you'll sell albums. Yes they're releasing 3 singles but when has an artist releasing 3 singles (4 including 30 Days) ever been a good idea? Unless you're Calvin Harris, it's a terrible move. Who's to say the next two singles won't kill the momentum that What About Us has achieved? Amelia Lily has went for the "3 singles before an album" approach and each single has performed worse than the one before it and her airplay has plummeted since the first single. The public are extremely fickle and it's important the album is out while there is a buzz around the girls. It's going to be extremely difficult to keep the public interested in the girls from March until September/October, especially when they're dissapearing to America in the summer. Promotion was a problem with On Your Radar but even if they done more TV shows, it'd still have been a poor selling release. They were launching their album off the back of 3 singles (Notorious killed their airplay and was a screwed up release, All Fired Up was extremely frontloaded and My Heart Takes Over didn't even go top 50 on airplay) which was a mistake, and they were also releasing in November against the likes of Olly Murs, Rihanna, One Direction, Coldplay, JLS, Ed Sheeran, Katy Perry, The Wanted, Kelly Clarkson, Cher Lloyd, Rebecca Ferguson, Jessie J, Justin Bieber etc who were all either new releases or were being boosted by X-Factor. Throw in the fact Una was pregnant, Frankie was missing gigs and the fact they had to rehease for a tour during the albums release and the album was always going to flop, but we've talked about this about 50 times now. Things might look better now because What About Us has been a bigger hit than Notorious, but it's a silly, silly move for their management to think just because they have a #1 single they're suddenly capable of releasing in Q4 again. It'd have been much smarter to release the album after Gentleman, but it appears the US is more important (again).

 

Speaking of America, I really can't see Chasing The Saturdays getting renewed. It done absolutely DIRE in the US ratings and was a complete waste of time. America has been a complete joke because aside from the gigs that E! arranged, there's been absolutely no promotion nor radio tours. 'Lights' was a massive hit, but it's nothing like 'What About Us'. Lights was quite original/quirky sounding (which the US love) and Ellie was prepared to do months of radio shows and gigs to promote the song. The Sats can't release a generic dance song, do a few TV shows and expect it to blow up.

To be fair, those albums you listed had underperforming singles released after all of them which doesn't keep an album selling consistently. Plus in this market, it's hard to get seriously huge sales anyway.
To be fair, those albums you listed had underperforming singles released after all of them which doesn't keep an album selling consistently. Plus in this market, it's hard to get seriously huge sales anyway.

That's not Shadow's point, I think. Cheryl's example is perfect. She obviously has a bigger profile than the five Saturdays put together, had amazing airplay and promo for Call My Name, yet her album sold like 34 in its first week and ended up about 100k I think? A hit =/= an album that sells. Plus, Ego (being a hit for The Saturdays and not a underperforming single) didn't really sell Wordshaker either. And technically, Wordshaker was released on the back of a #2 single which peaked at #6 on the airplay charts (that's one of their best peak there) and had a promo schedule looking like this one :

 

26/09/09 - T4 - interview and video clip (In addition T4 'Greatest Pop Star in the world – Britney Spears')

27/09/09 - T4 - Repeat of 'Greatest Pop Star in the world – Britney Spears'

28/09/09 - Channel 4 - Paul O'Grady – Performance and chat

03/10/09 - TMF - The Sats Saturday Night Party - Take-over – The Saturdays host the show

Oct - Virgin Media - The Saturdays take over the music section for the month of October

06/10/09 - ITV1 - This Morning – Performance and chat

08/10/09 - FIVE - Live From Studio 5 – Chat

10/10/09 - BBC2 - TMi - VT with Sam and Mark, the girls will also feature on the show on the 17th so make sure you tune in twice!

10/10/09 - BBC2 - 5:19 SHOW – Chat

10/10/09 - MTV Hits – The Sats Saturday Night Party - Take-over - The Saturdays host the show

12/10/09 - ITV1 - Alan Titchmarsh Show chat and performance

17/10/09 - Channel 4 - Hollyoaks Music Festival – Performance of 'Forever Is Over' and exclusive album track 'Wordshaker'

22/10/09 - BBC2 – Buzzcocks featuring Rochelle!

Yet Wordshaker still underperformed.

 

I agree with some of what Shadow said (just not the whole What About Us will *only* sell 400k/is not massive). They should not release in the Q4, not even in the Q3 (or only the first few weeks).

I don't think you get this industry. It's not just Oooh lets go on a ton of tv shows and never have a break in a desperate attempt to sell 1m singles and then well be exhausted, fight then split up!

 

To say America was a waste of time is probably the most stupid thing you've ever posted aka moaned. America/E/CTS paid for the whole WAU video etc. and gave the girls the lush they needed to break the top of the charts.. 46,000 more sales in one week than they had ever had and gave them an international boost!

 

The girls are still standing six years in and it's because they do t push themselves! If this album sells 200k I will be delighted, and I'm sure facination and the girls will be too

The girls are still standing six years in and it's because they do t push themselves! If this album sells 200k I will be delighted, and I'm sure facination and the girls will be too

 

To be honest, I'm not asking for more (well maybe 230k, but like, you know 2-3 years after, when it has sold outside of the top 100), but yeah, I would be delighted with that too.

I don't think you get this industry. It's not just Oooh lets go on a ton of tv shows and never have a break in a desperate attempt to sell 1m singles and then well be exhausted, fight then split up!

 

To say America was a waste of time is probably the most stupid thing you've ever posted aka moaned. America/E/CTS paid for the whole WAU video etc. and gave the girls the lush they needed to break the top of the charts.. 46,000 more sales in one week than they had ever had and gave them an international boost!

 

The girls are still standing six years in and it's because they do t push themselves! If this album sells 200k I will be delighted, and I'm sure facination and the girls will be too

 

I think I "get" the industry alot more than you. You and some other posters seem to think that the girls have always done "enough" promotion and think that their profile alone will sell their material. When you're releasing an ALBUM (the biggest part of being an artist) you HAVE to be everywhere. You DO need to go on a ton of TV shows and be exhausted because if you're not, then you/your management don't care about the product. There's artists in this industry who live for their music and everything they do is to benefit their career. They are constantly in "career mode". Obviously it doesn't apply to The Saturdays because they're "only" a UK girlgroup but their attitude is awful at times. Constant holidays and complaining about their hard work and failing to do any promotion except for release week. It's just idiotic. They just don't do as much work as they could be doing, and the US situation/Europe is an example of that.

 

I didn't say America was a waste of time, either. I said Chasing The Saturdays was, and would I be wrong in saying that? They spent months in the US filming the show (that could have been used to actually promote a song over there) and then they do a few TV shows to promote it and it flops badly. So not only was it a waste of time but it also gave them a label of flopped reality TV show stars to the Americans before they'd even released a song. If they'd spent the time they had filming Chasing The Saturdays on actually going on radio tours and promoting on TV then What About Us would probably have been a hit, but clearly a reality show was more important. Don't get me wrong, it's been a huge success in the UK and was a great treat for the fans, but music should be the top priority and not a staged reality show.

 

And no, they don't push themselves. Headlines was a success and they could have released a third single from it but they didn't bother. They abandoned On Your Radar when it flopped. Their dance routines are very poor and half the time they don't even attempt them properly. They do a week of promotion and have to go on holiday after it because they're exhausted. They seem happy to plod along with a single out every three months, doing a couple of TV shows and then going on a tour. Obviously that's fine and they can do what they want, but there's just so much potential with them and it's sad they don't put the effort in.

I understand what you're saying, but being everywhere isn't always the case.

Look at this weeks album top 10:

 

1 N 1 Michael Bublé To Be Loved

2 N 1 Fall Out Boy Save Rock And Roll

3 4 62 Emeli Sandé Our Version Of Events

4 3 31 P!nk The Truth About Love

5 2 5 Justin Timberlake The 20/20 Experience

6 1 2 Paramore Paramore

7 6 19 Bruno Mars Unorthodox Jukebox

8 7 7 Bastille Bad Blood

9 N 1 Yeah Yeah Yeahs Mosquito

10 5 3 Imagine Dragons Night Visions

 

None of these artists have been 'everywhere', bar Emeli Sande and that was last year.

The majority have, at most, done one or two performances on UK TV which is what The Saturdays would do.

 

The Saturdays are a bRand as well as a band.

They make just as much or even more by getting magazine deals, product sponsorship deals, TV shows etc..

It's 100% not just about the music for them. Girl bands in general are singles artists and I don't mean that they sell more singles.

But they are more concerned with how many top 10's and a singles actual peak than how much it sells, because it sounds better.

They would rather have '10 top 10 singles' rather than '3 platinum selling top 20 singles'..

 

I do hope that they do take the right path with this album, finally they are the UK's biggest girl and and it's on merit this time.

Also, now they have the coveted #1 single, I do think they'll find it easier to get slots on prime time shows.

It's all well and good wanting to be on TV, it's whether the show will have you on. We don't know they haven't tried to do stuff previously?

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That's not Shadow's point, I think. Cheryl's example is perfect. She obviously has a bigger profile than the five Saturdays put together, had amazing airplay and promo for Call My Name, yet her album sold like 34 in its first week and ended up about 100k I think? A hit =/= an album that sells. Plus, Ego (being a hit for The Saturdays and not a underperforming single) didn't really sell Wordshaker either. And technically, Wordshaker was released on the back of a #2 single which peaked at #6 on the airplay charts (that's one of their best peak there) and had a promo schedule looking like this one :

Yet Wordshaker still underperformed.

 

I agree with some of what Shadow said (just not the whole What About Us will *only* sell 400k/is not massive). They should not release in the Q4, not even in the Q3 (or only the first few weeks).

 

Workshaker bombed so bad that Ego wasn't quite massive enough to save it. Cheryl's album peaked well enough but the sales climate is terrible, the second single did pretty much nothing so of course the album wouldn't sell after that...

I didn't say America was a waste of time, either. I said Chasing The Saturdays was, and would I be wrong in saying that? They spent months in the US filming the show (that could have been used to actually promote a song over there) and then they do a few TV shows to promote it and it flops badly. So not only was it a waste of time but it also gave them a label of flopped reality TV show stars to the Americans before they'd even released a song. If they'd spent the time they had filming Chasing The Saturdays on actually going on radio tours and promoting on TV then What About Us would probably have been a hit, but clearly a reality show was more important.

 

So true. But I guess the question is now, when is the best time to release the album? Considering the fact that I don't want them to give up here in the U.S.

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Yeah but all those bands that are everywhere burn fast! Look at the Spice Girls they were so overworked they needed two years off. 1D are complaining they need a break'

 

I fail to see what it is you like about the Saturdays when it appears you criticise everything they do, have you considered the tv shows they did are the only ones they could get on to? Have you considered OYR flopped as did MHTO - and the label were refusing to carry on in case another flop single followed? Have you considered Frankie was suffering from severe depression and needed a break? Have you considered that the girls may be happy with the way they do thin/content with selling 200k off of a mini album? Why release a third when Higher only got to #10? Why risk another #22 with Karma when the best two singles had already been released and the album was leaving the charts, the investment in headlines paid off!

 

The album market is not what it was in 2008... Other than the odd exception like Emeli albums by pop artists struggle to hit 300k as per little mix and Cheryl.

 

Honestly, I'm not trying to be nasty but if you don't come to terms with the way this group is (their work ethic, sales targets and schedule) then you are only ever going to be very disappointed by them and that's not going to be very nice for you. And I do think there are a few members on here who have lost the opportunity to be excited by the success of WAU because they have moaned the fun away. Please don't take that as a direct to you because it really isn't. I'm just trying to say that their attitude to work is unlikely to change so to save yourself from being frustrated or sad you may be better off accepting and embracing it.

They've probably made more money for their record label through touring rather than record sales.
Excuse you?!

You can have an opinion on their vocal abilities by all means, but don't be disrespectful.

I know she doesn't read this forum, but there's no need for that.

 

Excuse me!?

 

What!? It is called a JOKE. Lighten up, I love Vanessa otherwise why woul I be on a Saturdays forum on buzzjack hmm? Do you think If I thought in anyway shape or form it would offend the REAL Vanessa that I would post it!? Answer- No.

 

Vanessa is one of the most beautiful, talented, hard-working, funniest, loveable, likeable, smartest and down right kindest people I've ever seen in my life. I'd NEVER intentionally say something to hurt her or anyone.

 

How dare you even act like the way I was posting was in anyway vicious or disrespectful, I'm quite frankly shocked.

If they'd spent the time they had filming Chasing The Saturdays on actually going on radio tours and promoting on TV then What About Us would probably have been a hit, but clearly a reality show was more important. Don't get me wrong, it's been a huge success in the UK and was a great treat for the fans, but music should be the top priority and not a staged reality show.

 

 

I'm sorry but this makes 0 sense to me

 

The reality show gave them alot of hype and promoted the single too, how is it a waste of time?

Excuse me!?

 

What!? It is called a JOKE. Lighten up, I love Vanessa otherwise why woul I be on a Saturdays forum on buzzjack hmm? Do you think If I thought in anyway shape or form it would offend the REAL Vanessa that I would post it!? Answer- No.

 

Vanessa is one of the most beautiful, talented, hard-working, funniest, loveable, likeable, smartest and down right kindest people I've ever seen in my life. I'd NEVER intentionally say something to hurt her or anyone.

 

How dare you even act like the way I was posting was in anyway vicious or disrespectful, I'm quite frankly shocked.

I see you've been slagging us off on Popjustice. No need to keep posting here if you feel so superior.

 

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