Gosh, the FEELS when that orchestra and opening crawl came on :cry:

!! can't wait!

 

 

Aside: I have rewatched the prequels over the past 2 days and they're not as bad as I remember, and I actually enjoyed them for the most part. Only really the overly confusing plot of I, Jar Jar Binks' entire involvement and the awfully done love story of II that I rolled my eyes at. The original trilogy was as utterly engrossing as always though and are pretty incomparable to I-III.

Watched it yesterday (Wednesday) afternoon and OH MY GOD *.* amazing! The characters old and new played their parts very well and there was action all through the film. Super effects as always and I feel it did a good job at the level of questions answered and the remaining ones. Loved the new characters too. BB-8 was a worthy R2-D2 "replacement" for this trilogy, with its rolling around and R2 like beeping and the scene with

him electrifying Finn was quite funny :lol:

 

 

I also feel it has similarities to ANH. Well, it's also the start of a new trilogy where it's the good guys against the bad guys, and of course the start of the prequel trilogy didn't have the bad guys start off so victorious.

 

 

Ren was a decent bad guy (good to see that the handle bar things on the new lightsaber model actually did something!) I felt like he had more of a reason to turn than the film suggests so far. When Ham died (:cry:) I knew it was far too easy to bring him back to the light side so it wasn't that surprising to see him kill Han.

 

Agree that the Empire are MASSIVE FLOPS when it comes to learning from their past mistakes with their Death Stars :lol: how easy was it to take it down? PRETTY EASY. Good that we saw Ackbar (I think?) in it as well.

 

Intrigued to know the full story behind Stook! Some fan theories say that he was the Sith legend that the emperor was telling Anakin about in III that could "stop people from dying" (along with the similar music playing) :thinking:

 

Luke isn't really my favourite character in the series :o idk why he just always seems like a weak actor and character. Like he doesn't serve as powerful as the other Jedi main characters. Would still have liked to see more of him but I guess we're of course going to in the next/2 films :cheer: (but oh my god he looks so much like Ben from the original trilogy now! :o )

 

 

 

So yeah, BIG HYPE for VIII in 1.5 years :cheer: this one now ranks my second favourite ever SW film behind the incredible RotS :wub:

 

Oh and if/when I DO watch it a second time I'll probably have more to say/questions but I'm not the best at remembering names/events most of the time :lol: 10/10.

Edited December 31, 20159 yr by Mace Spindu

DONE. I am in awe and shock as to how well they managed to recreate the franchise and kick start a new trilogy so well.

 

Firstly on the criticism that it's too much like VI, a) that is no bad thing! b) I thought it perfectly married a balance between nostalgia/homage/paying tribute to the new innovations to the franchise. The story was too similar and predictable, but this was a momentous occasion for cinema - in short they didn't have to reinvent the wheel, that wasn't the point of the film so I wasn't looking for that.

 

It was incredibly well acted, the best acting in the entire series to date (i'm aware the series isn't notable for its acting :lol:), the musical score was once again legendary and the action/CGI was used WELL. Onto specifics, Fin was a fantastic addition to the series and Rei was strong too, the female Luke of IV and she pulled it off well. BB-8 was amazing too, a worthy follower to R2-D2 as Spadz said above <333

Han/Chewwy's return OMG goosebumps like never before... Now his death was spoiled to me earlier but I must say (trying to salvage positives from that horrible experience) knowing what was to come, as soon as he separated from Chewwy, I KNEW what was coming and it made that entire scene so much more tense than if I didn't know that. The death was incredibly well done, i'd find it hard to find someone in the room that wasn't moved or affected by his death :/ BUT the previous films aren't really as damning as they could be, so the fact this is already one of the darkest of the entire series is testament to its progression from them.

 

LUKE AT THE END :mellow: did not see that coming, I thought they'd hold him off as a myth and unreachable legend so that ending completely blew me away. I don't think his involvement in the next film will be too big, more the Jedi training will occur off screen and have us pumped and raring to go when VIII starts but I might be wrong and it might actually show and develop that a lot, who knows. I thought it was going to return to Ren at the end but it didn't, so i'm even more excited to see his fallout in the next film - I really enjoyed him as a villain. I'd hoped we saw and got to know the man behind the mask and i'm glad the film did that. The homage to Vader was done expertly too.

 

 

SO IN ALL, it will go down as one of my favourite cinema experiences to date. The incredible throwbacks, the nostalgia, the homages, it was all TOO MUCH to handle. The film itself was relentlessly enjoyable and it's reignited the franchise in almighty style.

 

Final word to C-3PO :wub: My favourite.

Does anyone else hear 'Amerae' when Rey introduces herself at first? Obviously she's saying 'I'm Rey' but it really didn't sound like it to me on either viewing.

My mum kept saying well evidently her name as Amrey so maybe Rey is a nickname and she refers to herself only as that because she must be someone's son! And I was like no mum, she said I'm Rey so not only you Joe :lol:

My mum kept saying well evidently her name as Amrey so maybe Rey is a nickname and she refers to herself only as that because she must be someone's son! And I was like no mum, she said I'm Rey so not only you Joe :lol:

 

I know Spadz mentioned he thought the same, I'm glad I'm not alone. I think I didn't pay any attention to marketing, so didn't know who Daisy was playing. If you'd known her character was called Rey it'd be heard differently.

Yeah, hopefully all will be revealed watching it again with the subtitles on :lol:

 

EDIT: Looked on IMDb for some answers, only things they say is Rey with the alternate name Young Rey. Wookiepeedia only mentions Rey as well.

 

Oh and this article is interesting: http://www.newsarama.com/27296-rey-s-origi...oncept-art.html

Edited January 2, 20169 yr by ᔕᑭIᑎᑎIᑎG ᗩᗪᗩᗰ

What is everyone thinking about Rey and her ancestry?

Is it the obvious Luke father storyline the film has sort of led us to believe or something other? My cousin believes (and gave a convincing arguement for) her being a child/grandchild of Obi-Wan which explains Kylo Ren's intense hatred and angst for her because it's recreating the Anakin/Obi-Wan rivalry with Kylo Ren being Anakin re-awakened and Rey being a descendant of Obi-Wan. I'm thinking she could be a Kenobi...

What is everyone thinking about Rey and her ancestry?

Is it the obvious Luke father storyline the film has sort of led us to believe or something other? My cousin believes (and gave a convincing arguement for) her being a child/grandchild of Obi-Wan which explains Kylo Ren's intense hatred and angst for her because it's recreating the Anakin/Obi-Wan rivalry with Kylo Ren being Anakin re-awakened and Rey being a descendant of Obi-Wan. I'm thinking she could be a Kenobi...

I think it is the obvious one of

Her being Skywalker's daughter

but I wouldn't be too surprised if that argument happened though, never thought of that but

does sound like it could happen and would definitely explain Kylo Ren's intense hatred!

 

I'd prefer personally that she was part of a new Jedi family. I don't see why she has to be related to any of the main characters.

To be honest, Star Wars has never steered away from the obvious, so it probably is the most obvious option of the two, which I find a little annoying. But also refreshing in this era of increasingly convoluted and ridiculous plot twists.

To be honest, Star Wars has never steered away from the obvious, so it probably is the most obvious option of the two, which I find a little annoying. But also refreshing in this era of increasingly convoluted and ridiculous plot twists.

 

If it's anything BUT the obvious I think I will be disappointed. It has to be. While I think the

descendant of Obi-Wan would be cool

it would make a much better story if she is

a Skywalker

. The former is too complicated a plot twist and for a lesser pay-off imo.

Spoilers ahead.

 

 

 

 

 

 

My favourite theory posits that she is a Skywalker: the daughter of Han and Leia, who both believe her dead.

Bear with me.

Kylo Ren whisked Rey away into hiding from Snoke in the immediate aftermath of his slaughter of Luke’s other pupils. The very last vision Rey has before it melts into her abandonment on Jakku is of Kylo Ren stalking towards her in the rain. But what if instead of menace, it was with a moment of brotherly affection? Even in the present, Leia is convinced there is good in her son. In this scenario, Ren truly does know that Snoke will destroy him once he has outlived his usefulness. Hoping to spare his sister the same fate, he fakes her death and takes her to a remote planet where Snoke will never know she still lives. That would explain Kylo Ren’s extreme agitation upon finding out a girl helped Finn and BB-8 escape the planet and maybe even give an explanation for his weird “Don’t be afraid, I feel it too,” line as he tries to extract the map from Rey’s mind. This may also be the only scenario in which Kylo Ren could actually get a redemption arc in the wake of killing Han Solo.

Read more at http://www.hitfix.com/harpy/star-wars-the-...PjXsXkPFRBLZ.99

 

Thematically this totally fits with all previous 6 films. By the time they finally meet again at the end of the film Kylo has killed his father and just succumbed fully to the dark side and thus he no longer feels compassion for her, for the moment at least. Maybe he will be redeemed like his grandfather eventually

Edited January 3, 20169 yr by Severin

I think it's possible that if

Rey IS related to Kylo, and Rey gets caught up with Stoke, the fact that Rey's life is in danger could make Kylo turn good again just like when The Emperor nearly killed Luke which made Vader good again? I seem to get the impression that Kylo is easier to turn away from the Dark Side than Vader/Dooku for some reason, but that might be because we don't know the story of his turning to the dark side as well as Anakin of course! I know TFA has had quite a few similarities with the original trilogy. Perhaps this is another one?

:thinking:

I think it's possible that if

Rey IS related to Kylo, and Rey gets caught up with Stoke, the fact that Rey's life is in danger could make Kylo turn good again just like when The Emperor nearly killed Luke which made Vader good again? I seem to get the impression that Kylo is easier to turn away from the Dark Side than Vader/Dooku for some reason, but that might be because we don't know the story of his turning to the dark side as well as Anakin of course! I know TFA has had quite a few similarities with the original trilogy. Perhaps this is another one?

:thinking:

 

I think Ren will turn good eventually. He's trying to be something he's not and one thing I really liked from the film was

his admittance that the light side was calling him. Throughout the franchise it was Anakin/Luke trying to combat the dark side, now you have someone from the dark side fighting against the light. I'm sure he will think killing his dad will help that, but I'm not sure if it will.

 

 

TFA was what the fans wanted to see, I think that much was evident from the prequels which were slated. I expect 8 & 9 to venture off quite differently while still contain the core elements. With Rian Johnson directing the next, I'm expecting episode 8 to be very character heavy.

Spoilers ahead.

My favourite theory posits that she is a Skywalker: the daughter of Han and Leia, who both believe her dead.

Bear with me.

Kylo Ren whisked Rey away into hiding from Snoke in the immediate aftermath of his slaughter of Luke’s other pupils. The very last vision Rey has before it melts into her abandonment on Jakku is of Kylo Ren stalking towards her in the rain. But what if instead of menace, it was with a moment of brotherly affection? Even in the present, Leia is convinced there is good in her son. In this scenario, Ren truly does know that Snoke will destroy him once he has outlived his usefulness. Hoping to spare his sister the same fate, he fakes her death and takes her to a remote planet where Snoke will never know she still lives. That would explain Kylo Ren’s extreme agitation upon finding out a girl helped Finn and BB-8 escape the planet and maybe even give an explanation for his weird “Don’t be afraid, I feel it too,” line as he tries to extract the map from Rey’s mind. This may also be the only scenario in which Kylo Ren could actually get a redemption arc in the wake of killing Han Solo.

Read more at http://www.hitfix.com/harpy/star-wars-the-...PjXsXkPFRBLZ.99

 

Thematically this totally fits with all previous 6 films. By the time they finally meet again at the end of the film Kylo has killed his father and just succumbed fully to the dark side and thus he no longer feels compassion for her, for the moment at least. Maybe he will be redeemed like his grandfather eventually

This (and the link you provided too) is one of the most convincing arguements i've seen for Rey and her ancestry. I agree the film was leading us along the Luke path a bit too obviously for it to actually materialise into that, but as the site says.. we'll find out in 2 years ;o (:nocheer:)

I'm sorry, but there is no way Rey is Han & Leia's daughter. If she is, well then it's the worst writing I have ever seen in film, ever.

 

I don't buy in to that theory for one minute. It's ridiculous to think that Leia & Han would not have thought 'this is our daughter that we left on Jakku'. That's just part parenting, that's more of a crime than the incest moment.

Leia and Han surely would have alluded to a loss other than that of their son if Rey was their daughter, even if they didn't realise there was a connection with 'the girl'.

 

Money is on Daddy Luke. Makes more sense than anything else.

I'm sorry, but there is no way Rey is Han & Leia's daughter. If she is, well then it's the worst writing I have ever seen in film, ever.

 

I don't buy in to that theory for one minute. It's ridiculous to think that Leia & Han would not have thought 'this is our daughter that we left on Jakku'. That's just part parenting, that's more of a crime than the incest moment.

You must have misread it. The theory is that Han And Leia both think their daughter is long dead at the hands of their son. Ben sends Rey to Jakku because at that point he wasn't 'evil' enough to kill her.

Leia and Han surely would have alluded to a loss other than that of their son if Rey was their daughter, even if they didn't realise there was a connection with 'the girl'.

 

Money is on Daddy Luke. Makes more sense than anything else.

Quite possibly but JJ Abrams is known for deliberately misleading the audience and has often been guilty of omitting or not showing important information to the viewer.

 

But Luke being the father would be the most tediously obvious reveal in cinema history.