This week we had an example of a minor feature artist getting a recognition for a song he rapped for 20 seconds in, chart references are now considering 'Troublemaker' to be Olly Murs' 4th number 1 and Flo Rida's 5th :wacko: and that including 'Bad Boys' where he was featured on Alexandra Burke's number 1 hit!!!

I mean come on, is 'Bad Boys'a Flo Rida song?? NO then why should it be considered among his number 1s ?? or is Umbrella a Jay-Z number 1 ?? I don't think so....It's a Rihanna number 1 where Jay-Z happened to sing the opening verse , which in both cases would've been number 1 whether it was him, Snoop Dogg, Eminem or some unknown rapper featured....

same goes for Ludacris' part in Taio Cruz's 'Break your heart' US edition where it was counted as a Ludacris' number one!!!

Recently in the US, Lil Wayne was crowned king of the US Billboard Chart breaking Elvis Presley's record for most Billboard Hot 100 entries :o , it was deemed as outrageous by Elvis fans since most of Lil Wayne's entries are as featured guest sometimes with 3 other rappers, while Elvis' entries are solo songs.

In my opinion, only the leading artist should be given full credit for his songs and the hit should not be added to the featured artist discography or chart records since it's unfair to the lead artist , however, in duet songs credit should be given to both artists such as Beyonce & Shakira's 2006 number 1 hit 'Beautiful liar' or Gary Barlow & Robbie Williams 'Shame'.

Edited November 26, 201212 yr by Big Mistake

I get your point and I would kind of agree but then again, it's gonna be such a subjective thing and I'm not sure the OCC would want to get into it.

Sometimes featurings add nothing to a song, but sometimes they literraly MAKE the song.

Sometimes featurings add nothing to a song, but sometimes they literraly MAKE the song.

 

give me some examples plz....

I get your point and I would kind of agree but then again, it's gonna be such a subjective thing and I'm not sure the OCC would want to get into it.

Sometimes featurings add nothing to a song, but sometimes they literraly MAKE the song.

 

Yeah it's definitely a subjective thing. On a similar note though, I definitely don't think producers should be given a featuring credit on a song. I still don't get why We Found Love was credited as 'Rihanna feat. Calvin Harris'. He's produced tons of other songs but he never got a featuring credit on those. Likewise, none of the producers of her other singles get a featuring credit.

 

But getting back to the topic, most featuring artists (if they have a rapping or singing part) are fine to be featured, but I don't think a song should be included in their hits tally if they are only featured rather than the lead artist.

It annoyed me that I was watching the repeat of the UKs favourite #1 singles, and Emimem and Didos Stan was on there, but they only credited Eminem. I don't agree with that as it was Didos song which inspired Emimem to write the rest of the song. I voted yes if the input was good enough. For example, with Dead Ringer For Love, Cher comes in on the second verse, sings on the choruses and then does another solo part, but she never really gets given credit for that song. It says in the guiness book of singles and albums, it features Cher as an uncredited co-vocalist which I think is ridiculous, she should have credit for that song. She helped Meatloaf get his first top 10 hit here in the UK.

give me some examples plz....

 

A good example is Beneath Your Beautiful - I'm sure most people would agree that Emeli Sande makes the song by featuring on it. Although in this case I think it would have made more sense for it to be credited as a duet (Labrinth & Emeli Sande rather than Labrinth feat. Emeli Sande).

Also see any somg by a DJ featuring a vocalist.

 

I wouldn't call 'Troublemaker' a Flo Rida song but I would still count it as a #1 for him. Same with 'Bad Boys' and same with every other feature ever.

There is also the case of Florence + The Machine hit Spectrum, it features Calvin Harris, but he doesn't sing a note on the track, its just a remix.

 

On my database I have this as Florence + The Machine - Spectrum

 

Without the 'Say My Name' in brackets.

It annoyed me that I was watching the repeat of the UKs favourite #1 singles, and Emimem and Didos Stan was on there, but they only credited Eminem. I don't agree with that as it was Didos song which inspired Emimem to write the rest of the song. I voted yes if the input was good enough. For example, with Dead Ringer For Love, Cher comes in on the second verse, sings on the choruses and then does another solo part, but she never really gets given credit for that song. It says in the guiness book of singles and albums, it features Cher as an uncredited co-vocalist which I think is ridiculous, she should have credit for that song. She helped Meatloaf get his first top 10 hit here in the UK.

 

 

yeah but these are peculiar cases... Dido scored a hit of her own with 'Thank You' from which 'Stan' was taken.. and it was a much bigger hit especially in th US where it reached the top 3 while Eminem's 'Stan' didn't make the top 40....

There is also the case of Florence + The Machine hit Spectrum, it features Calvin Harris, but he doesn't sing a note on the track, its just a remix.

 

On my database I have this as Florence + The Machine - Spectrum

 

Without the 'Say My Name' in brackets.

 

Calvin isn't featured on it, he's only a remixer and the remix is combined to the original version for chart purposes (the OCC don't list the '(Say My Name)' either).

 

Re: 'not singing a note on the track', does that mean instrumentals shouldn't be credited to anyone? :P

Calvin isn't featured on it, he's only a remixer and the remix is combined to the original version for chart purposes (the OCC don't list the '(Say My Name)' either).

 

Re: 'not singing a note on the track', does that mean instrumentals shouldn't be credited to anyone? :P

 

right, then David Guetta doesn't have any hit yet to his name.... :lol:

 

it's not about singing o not or rapping or not, it's about the featured artist getting full credit for a song he had minimal input in... such as Nicki Minaj & M.I.A in 'Gimme all your luvin' by Madonna on which they only rapped for 10 seconds each...

 

i mean should Lil Wayne be considered on the same level as Elvis Presley???

Edited November 26, 201212 yr by Big Mistake

i mean should Lil Wayne be considered on the same level as Elvis Presley???

 

Well, based on sheer quantity of Hot 100 entries, yes - but whenever this has been mentioned by Billboard they always mention how Elvis' achievement is a lot more 'valid' than Lil Wayne's (and also Glee Cast's) due to them having loads of features / releasing about six songs per week respectively. I would say 'Lil Wayne has more Hot 100 hits than Elvis Presley' - because he does - but not 'Lil Wayne is more successful than Elvis Presley'.

 

This can all be solved with the phrase 'as a lead artist' :P

Edited November 26, 201212 yr by Bré

If they featured on it, they deserve credit, no matter how minimal their part is. That said, Flo Rida' s feature on Troublemaker seems incredibly half arsed and I don't believe they've even met? so sometimes, I can see how some would think the other way.

 

I definitely agree about producers getting a featuring credit though, that really IS pointless. Vice versa, I understand as they produced the track and just needed vocals on it, but I don't get the other way round. 'Commander' was tagged as Kelly Rowland feat. David Guetta, I get that he produced it, but if thats the case then you may as well say 'feat. the writers, music video directors, coffee makers etc. Same thing with Rihanna & Calvin Harris, suffice to say, Calvin's production is probably the best part of it, but the point still stands.

Edited November 26, 201212 yr by C.W

yeah but these are peculiar cases... Dido scored a hit of her own with 'Thank You' from which 'Stan' was taken.. and it was a much bigger hit especially in th US where it reached the top 3 while Eminem's 'Stan' didn't make the top 40....

Yeah, i'm giving cases where I think the other artist should be given more credit for the song. It doesn't matter if she had success with Thank You, it's just like Emile Sande with Professor Green, she only sings the chorus but she's given credit as well as Professor Green.

Well, based on sheer quantity of Hot 100 entries, yes - but whenever this has been mentioned by Billboard they always mention how Elvis' achievement is a lot more 'valid' than Lil Wayne's (and also Glee Cast's) due to them having loads of features / releasing about six songs per week respectively. I would say 'Lil Wayne has more Hot 100 hits than Elvis Presley' - because he does - but not 'Lil Wayne is more successful than Elvis Presley'.

 

This can all be solved with the phrase 'as a lead artist' :P

 

I get your point but this featured artist thing which has increased the past 10 years has created many chart anomalies such as Lil Wayne becoming more successful 'chartwise' than Elvis and Nicki Minaj having more hits in 2 years than late Whitney Houston in her entire career....

I get your point but this featured artist thing which has increased the past 10 years has created many chart anomalies such as Lil Wayne becoming more successful 'chartwise' than Elvis and Nicki Minaj having more hits in 2 years than late Whitney Houston in her entire career....

 

Oh I see your point as well. It's definitely a lot easier to rack up a lot of 'hits' these days, it's not really comparable to the days of Elvis and Whitney.

Not "as important", but nevertheless their name is listed on the record, so it's a credit. I consider 'Bad Boys' & 'Troublemaker' as #1s for Flo Rida, for instance.

give me some examples plz....

 

As it's been mentionned, "Beneath your beautiful" is a great example. They both equally sing on the song, so it would be quite unfair not to count it as a hit for Emeli Sande as well.

 

Rihanna delivers a few example of defining featurings too :

Live Your Life (T.I. Feat. Rihanna)

Love The Way You Lie (Eminem Feat. Rihanna)

Who's That Chick? (David Guetta Feat. Rihanna)

In everyone's mind, those songs are by Rihanna.

 

Oh and that one springs to my mind of course :

Cheryl Cole feat. will.i.am - 3 words

Not "as important", but nevertheless their name is listed on the record, so it's a credit. I consider 'Bad Boys' & 'Troublemaker' as #1s for Flo Rida, for instance.

 

yeah but would it have made any difference whether it was another rapper on these tracks??? i don't think so, therefore while i only regard 'Right Round', 'Club can't handle me' and 'Good feeling' as Flo rida number 1's but i can't count 'Right round' as a Kesha number 1 or 'Club can't handle me' as a David Guetta number 1....

In my opinion, only the leading artist should be given full credit for his songs and the hit should not be added to the featured artist discography or chart records since it's unfair to the lead artist , however, in duet songs credit should be given to both artists such as Beyonce & Shakira's 2006 number 1 hit 'Beautiful liar' or Gary Barlow & Robbie Williams 'Shame'.

 

THIS !!!! 100 % Agree with you.

 

"Featuring" is really annoying thing. I use & for duets [simple: Beyonce & Lady Gaga - Telephone], but "Just Dance" is only Lady Gaga song in my notebook.