I'm going to have to see what the situation is tomorrow if other songs are veto'd. I'd ideally like to keep to my deadlines but I could move it to 8pm tomorrow night. Anything after that would be a massive no-no from me.

I'm searching now! Sorry, I just didn't even consider there would be a chance, unless every song that's appeared on Scandipop is vetoed, so I didn't bother looking! :lol:

I'm going to have to go through a bundle of information to justify as to why Girl's Day shouldn't be vetoed.

 

Last week, it was at #93 on the multi and only myself, Jonjo and Umi charted it. Both of them were only aware of the track via me so this puts myself easily into the Silas situation with Tone Damli in that I was basically the only person trying to gather some attention for it.

 

Blogging wise, the song wasn't hyped or blogged much. Girl's Day isn't a popular girl group in Korea or anywhere near the extent of 2NE1 or Girls' Generation who are considered to be the top tier groups. They're a low-middle tier group who have no international fandom hype whatsoever. Plus they've never even won a #1 award on any of the weekly award shows before and their physical album sales were POOR.

 

If we're going to talk about this song being a 'comeback' for them, there was absolutely no international or domestic hype from anywhere because they were being overshadowed by much more popular groups in Korea such as Infinite, Lee Hi, Davichi.

 

I'm still rather curious to see the reasons as to why the mods decided to vote against it..

 

--x

 

Backup wise, I'm totally lost as I was extremely confident in this getting through to the veto and thus planned this song around a month ago. Considering I have to also work tomorrow, I'll have to come up with something quick..

There are a plethora of tracks that have been discussed this month (including plenty of others that have featured on Scandipop and have been let through so it's definitely not a blanket Scandipop ban!) but there were a number of factors behind each individual veto. It was just felt that overall these songs were likely to be known by too many people already, or just ticked too many other boxes. To be honest I'd only ever heard of two of the seven tracks that were vetoed last month before but obviously the mods saw fit not to let them in for whatever reason.

 

Obviously not everyone will already know the vetoed songs but ideally BJSC entries should be known already by as few people as possible, so that the competition is a level playing field. If a song comes into the contest already having 10 big supporters and 60-100 points in the bag then the songs that absolutely nobody knows already are at a major disadvantage, esepcially with songs that are growers. The likes of Feathers, Expectation and Karma have been out for a few weeks and not without publicity and a number of people will have been getting to know and like them. The completely unknown entries won't have such an advantage. That's just my take on it, obviously we knew that the decisions wouldn't be popular but it was a majority verdict for those three, and a whitewash for Alyssa.

There are a plethora of tracks that have been discussed this month (including plenty of others that have featured on Scandipop and have been let through so it's definitely not a blanket Scandipop ban!) but there were a number of factors behind each individual veto. It was just felt that overall these songs were likely to be known by too many people already, or just ticked too many other boxes. To be honest I'd only ever heard of two of the seven tracks that were vetoed last month before but obviously the mods saw fit not to let them in for whatever reason.

 

Obviously not everyone will already know the vetoed songs but ideally BJSC entries should be known already by as few people as possible, so that the competition is a level playing field. If a song comes into the contest already having 10 big supporters and 60-100 points in the bag then the songs that absolutely nobody knows already are at a major disadvantage, esepcially with songs that are growers. The likes of Feathers, Expectation and Karma have been out for a few weeks and a number of people will have been getting to know and like them. The completely unknown entries won't have such an advantage. That's just my take on it, obviously we knew that the decisions wouldn't be popular but it was a majority verdict for those three, and a whitewash for Alyssa.

 

That bolded part there doesn't really justify as to why the mods put a X on Girl's Day though. If Girl's Day is vetoed, the K-Pop genre might as well be forbidded from this contest because I show people the tracks on the Appreciation thread in the Pop forum and only a few (when I say a few, it's 1-2 people max) who respond if any. Judging for that reasoning, any sort of interest for any BJSC entry known by more than one individual might also as well be banned then.

Obviously not everyone will already know the vetoed songs but ideally BJSC entries should be known already by as few people as possible, so that the competition is a level playing field. If a song comes into the contest already having 10 big supporters and 60-100 points in the bag then the songs that absolutely nobody knows already are at a major disadvantage, esepcially with songs that are growers. The likes of Feathers, Expectation and Karma have been out for a few weeks and a number of people will have been getting to know and like them. The completely unknown entries won't have such an advantage.

Then show me the supporters! There's Oricon, who knows it because I asked for his opinion on it. And, AdamAloud - and you, who put it at NUMBER SEVENTY ONE. I understand some songs being vetoed, and when it's explained, the penny actually drops - but your explanation is why I'm so confused. I haven't seen a number of people getting into it AT ALL. I don't like feeling like a complete moaning bast*rd walking into here, and I appreciate you're never going to please everyone, and you have your reasons etc etc, but I literally see no justification for this, aside from the fact they're on Scandipop.

As Rich has said being on Scandipop is not the only reason, it was ONE reason, however other songs on there in the past few weeks have not been vetoed.

I learned the other day that my song was on Scandipop (although I didn't discover it through there, I've never even looked on there) :drama: Do they just post about every remotely pop song by Scandinavian artists?

This is ridiculous... :angry: every pop song from Scandinavia is posted on that stupid blog... harsh guys... harsh

I learned the other day that my song was on Scandipop (although I didn't discover it through there, I've never even looked on there) :drama: Do they just post about every remotely pop song by Scandinavian artists?

 

Pretty much

I think the banning of Girl's Day is a sad state of affairs for a contest that over the last year has been thriving on diversity. Is the rule on K-Pop now "not entirely unknown = gone"? Because that's well... incredibly annoying. I love the veto guys and stuff but I've really, really been finding it hard to stand by the vetoes recently. I refuse to believe that thinking Tone Damli is fair and Girl's Day are not isn't the result of bias.

That bolded part there doesn't really justify as to why the mods put a X on Girl's Day though. If Girl's Day is vetoed, the K-Pop genre might as well be forbidded from this contest because I show people the tracks on the Appreciation thread in the Pop forum and only a few (when I say a few, it's 1-2 people max) who respond if any. Judging for that reasoning, any sort of interest for any BJSC entry known by more than one individual might also as well be banned then.

 

Girl's Day was one that caused a lot of discussion but after various research was done on the track and the group, it was decided to veto it by a majority. There certainly will never be a blanket ban on everything from a certain genre or featured on a certain blog, each song is reviewed on a track by track basis.

 

As an aside (and this point isn't related to Girl's Day) if it's deemed that a good number of participants have heard the song pre-contest and that it removes the aspect of a level playing field, then the song will be at risk of being vetoed. Which is why I now personally keep my entries to myself (even though they all flop on their arse these days anyway :lol:). I'd be mortified if I asked 10 people for their opinion on my entry, it popped up in all of their personal charts the following week and then got vetoed for being too well known by participants already!

 

Then show me the supporters! There's Oricon, who knows it because I asked for his opinion on it. And, AdamAloud - and you, who put it at NUMBER SEVENTY ONE. I understand some songs being vetoed, and when it's explained, the penny actually drops - but your explanation is why I'm so confused. I haven't seen a number of people getting into it AT ALL. I don't like feeling like a complete moaning bast*rd walking into here, and I appreciate you're never going to please everyone, and you have your reasons etc etc, but I literally see no justification for this, aside from the fact they're on Scandipop.

 

With Stockholm Syndrome, the main factor is that they are the reincarnation of the hugely popular on Buzzjack, Love Generation. So even without Scandipop support I feel that this one would have been vetoed. Each song is not looked at only on the song, but also the artist behind the song, what they've done previously, how popular have they been on Buzzjack etc...

Okay, well that's still pretty much bullshit. Even I come round to the terms of my own with Love Generation link, which I think is still scraping the barrel for reasons to veto - the Alida & Girls Day ones are even more ridiculous.

 

Like Umi said, it's getting pretty hard to believe there's no bias going on and get behind the mods decisions, when Tone gets through, but Girls Day and Alida get vetoed - just completely bizarre.

Girl's Day was one that caused a lot of discussion but after various research was done on the track and the group, it was decided to veto it by a majority. There certainly will never be a blanket ban on everything from a certain genre or featured on a certain blog, each song is reviewed on a track by track basis.

 

As an aside (and this point isn't related to Girl's Day) if it's deemed that a good number of participants have heard the song pre-contest and that it removes the aspect of a level playing field, then the song will be at risk of being vetoed. Which is why I now personally keep my entries to myself (even though they all flop on their arse these days anyway :lol:). I'd be mortified if I asked 10 people for their opinion on my entry, it popped up in all of their personal charts the following week and then got vetoed for being too well known by participants already!

 

I'm going to be a pest but I would like to kindly see these various research because I can come up with my own additional ones to refute it easily. When it comes to blog, the hype are all from K/J-Pop blogs which shouldn't be the source to ANY veto decision at all because the blogs are there purely for the music genre itself. The decision still remains unjustified to my eyes and as for vetoing goes, I'm not one to make a big hassle for it as I have had my previous entries vetoed before but I still don't see why it was vetoed, thus I'll push on further.

 

For those who chart it, it's still only 3/50 participants (1 including myself) but it's already worthy for veto?

 

The only reasoning that I can see from my view is that the BJSC mods heard the entry, saw it could be a potential qualifier and top half finisher thus decided it was too "safe" for the contest thus eliminating it from the beginning. Bar that, all the other reasons explained above is pretty much bullshit.

Don't worry about the extension by the way, I've found something - but they'll probably be either taken / be vetoed for breathing.

Rest assured that there's no mod bias going on. I can't say anything about decisions made in previous contests about letting certain songs in or keeping them out because I wasn't a part of those. We have no idea which countries are behind which entries so there's no favouritism going on.

Okay, well that's still pretty much bullshit. Even I come round to the terms of my own with Love Generation link, which I think is still scraping the barrel for reasons to veto - the Alida & Girls Day ones are even more ridiculous.

 

Like Umi said, it's getting pretty hard to believe there's no bias going on and get behind the mods decisions, when Tone gets through, but Girls Day and Alida get vetoed - just completely bizarre.

 

The decision to allow Tone through was NOT unanimous, nor was the decision to veto Alia/Girls Days/Stockholm Syndrome. At the end of the day it comes down to a decision based on the facts at hand regarding many factors. I was personally against letting Tone through last month and I would hope that that is the last we see of her now that her track record of doing very well is firmly established. However when that decision was made the hype for the track on here was virtually nil, the blog hype virtually nil and it hard little personal chart support. Therefore it made it through. On the other hand Alida has decent blog and general online hype and is pretty well known personal chart wise (I'd say more than 2/3 BJSC participants including the person trying to send it is the cut off point). It was a tough decision, but at the end of the day it was quite clear from the off it was a potential veto.

but they'll probably be either taken / be vetoed for breathing.

 

:lol:

Right, right.

 

Stockholm Syndrome - vetoed for being Love Generation and appearing on Scandipop. I don't agree with it, but I do understand, even though I think you're being way too strict.

Alida - has appeared on Scandipop, and appeared in John's and Rich's chart. Not a cause for veto in the slightest, but I guess it seemed apparent to 2 mods making decisions, so I 1% understand that.

 

Girls' Day though... like, I can't get my head around that one at all. No big blogs, 2 charts (probably the same amount that someone like Ghost Beach / Antonia / Zara was appearing in last contest), no hype, that one has me completely stumped, unless you're just going to ban all K-Pop females from now on.

I'm rather surprised

Florrie - Live A Little

wasn't vetoed unless no one else entered it?!

Confirmed.....