getting to No 19 on the Billboard Hot 100 is hardly a flop :lol:

 

Where did I say it flopped in America? I said that they weren't going to give it a full release there. It's at #19 because of urban radio playing it and it being a popular album track. But it's not getting a music video or a push on pop radio (afaik)

 

To be honest, there aren't any more songs on this album that scream massive hit in the same way that Diamonds and Stay did. Very different to the Talk That Talk situation when Where Have You Been was obviously going to be a smash hit.

Where did I say it flopped in America? I said that they weren't going to give it a full release there. It's at #19 because of urban radio playing it and it being a popular album track. But it's not getting a music video or a push on pop radio (afaik)

 

To be honest, there aren't any more songs on this album that scream massive hit in the same way that Diamonds and Stay did. Very different to the Talk That Talk situation when Where Have You Been was obviously going to be a smash hit.

 

Stay didn't really scream "smash hit" to me. I always liked the song, and I knew it'd do well in the UK because we have loads of piano ballads being hits here, but I didn't think it would do as well as it did in the US and other countries.

 

You're correct about Pour It Up. It doesn't really count as a US single, because it didn't get sent to pop radio there (it was going to, but they cancelled it now).

 

It wasn't just urban radio that played it though, it also got to #1 on rhythmic radio too (like most Rihanna songs do, Stay might be next :lol:).

It reached no 19 in the US so didn't really smash hugely.

 

And Capital also have it playlisted now so it's getting a fair amount of exposure, so no reason for it to flop, other than the fact that people may not like it.

Yes it did smash hugely - on urban radio - that's the format it was released on, and it was #1 for multiple weeks. Comprehension is key.

 

The reason it will flop is because of the genre. We don't have a huge urban music culture here and UK listeners won't buy it massively. That doesn't mean the song is bad.

 

I'd be surprised if this made the top 40, but maybe it could. Combined it's about #60 on itunes now.

Yes it did smash hugely - on urban radio - that's the format it was released on, and it was #1 for multiple weeks. Comprehension is key.

 

The reason it will flop is because of the genre. We don't have a huge urban music culture here and UK listeners won't buy it massively. That doesn't mean the song is bad.

 

I'd be surprised if this made the top 40, but maybe it could. Combined it's about #60 on itunes now.

 

Then how come the biggest songs of the year are R&B/urban? :lol:

 

Rihanna has had urban songs do well here before. The difference is this is a bad urban song.

Then how come the biggest songs of the year are R&B/urban? :lol:

 

Rihanna has had urban songs do well here before. The difference is this is a bad urban song.

You might classify Thrift Shop as 'urban' but it's not exactly comparable to Pour It Up. In my opinion anyway. :teresa: I would say TS verges on pop-rap. And while I agree other songs with urban elements can be succesful (will.i.am, Bingo players, baauer), they are generally cross genre and more dance songs.

I can only really remember ..In Paris making the top 10 recently. And even that is basically cross genre.

 

You don't see ASAP Rocky, Future, Kendrick Lamar or Miguel charting well in the UK. I know they aren't huge names here, but that's almost the point.

 

If you think it's bad then I won't argue. :P Your opinion. I'm only discussing it's success as a single.

 

Right Now is being used in an advert now I think, so if the advert boosts it high up US iTunes they might use it as a single.

 

The UK actually had more urban music in its charts in 2012 than they did in the US.

 

And I think hip hop is popular here. People you mention like A$AP Rocky and Kendrick Lamar are two of the artists I hear people playing at uni the most. And I hear their songs (especially f***in Problems and Swimming Pools) most time I go clubbing. Just the people that like them don't legally download really, and they don't have broad appeal. They have a specific target audience, which is really a minority of the general population. It's the same in the US, the only reason their songs did well in the Hot 100 was because they started including streaming (for example, f***in Problems got to #2 in the streaming chart, but it spent hardly any time in the top 20 on iTunes, but its streaming was what got it top 10).

 

The reason Thrift Shop and Mirrors have done so well is because Capital has been playing them, but Capital won't play Pour It Up for some reason (even though it's on the playlist). And also, because Macklemore and Justin Timberlake are releasing urban songs everywhere. If they were releasing dance songs alongside these, then Thrift Shop and Mirrors would've just got completely ignored. It sometimes pays off to take a risk.

Pour it up is doing badly but i think its because its a poor effort by her. Surely there is something else on the album better? Its like this albums You da One.

 

Radio 1 have kept it on the blist which is good as it doesnt deserve alisting just because its rihanna. Is there a video?

Pour it up is doing badly but i think its because its a poor effort by her. Surely there is something else on the album better? Its like this albums You da One.

 

Radio 1 have kept it on the blist which is good as it doesnt deserve alisting just because its rihanna. Is there a video?

 

I think it kinda shows they're stuck for single choices because it is such a poor rushed album of songs which sound like rejects. There is no video, at least not yet.