It was also used to describe in the media

 

Gerry Cooney

Gerry Coetzee

Vitali Klitchsko

Allan Wells

Tommy Morrison

 

Also in America Chris Christie the presidential candidate was described as 'the great white hope' to beat Obama

 

Also Wayne Rooney. http://www.tribalfootball.com/articles/fer...te-hope-3987049

Ok lets analyse those claims

 

First off though Jack Johnson's win ended in riots in over 20 US cities.

Gerry Coonie - attempted to become first whute champion in 22 years. White supremacists threatened to murder Holmes (his rival) if he won. Police Snipers were required for the fight

Gerry Coetzee - again fought against another black man - Michael Dokes. To his credit he publicly decried the tag claiming he wasn't racist.

Vitali Klitschsko - Don't know who first referred to him thus but a quick google search reveals the top result to be Stormfront.org Russia's notorious white supremacist website so that says a little about the mentality of those that do.

Allan Wells - The possibility of seeing a white man win the 100m

Tommy Morrison - and we're back in the 1st white HW champion realm again.

 

And as for Chris Christie your post says it all.

 

The Rooney one cites no real source of Fergie's comments and he may or may not have actually said that. If he did he probably didn't realise the history and connotations either

 

Each example you've come up with (bar Fegueson's) is very definately charged as white man vs black man so to say that there are no racial implications however unintended is naive. I'm not suggesting you are rascist but the expression has a deeper meening for many people especially in the modern day.

 

Have a read of these and open your eyes a bit.

 

http://www.letsrun.com/forum/flat_read.php?thread=4604310

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.p...oryId=128245468

http://sites.psu.edu/davideapencivicissues...eat-white-hope/

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/bob-burnett/..._b_1846167.html

 

I could post a load more but I really don't want to be spammy

 

 

I think it was a very poor choice of words used, and to try and make the situation better has obviously just dug an even deeper hole.

 

Both can have negative connotations but I don't think they were used viciously by Craig, or intended for that matter. I understand the original point he was trying to make about Townsend. It is good PR to play him currently, especially for a club like Spurs. He's also the type of player that is MOTD player, looks great in a highlight reel, but if you watch them over 90 minutes they can be ineffectual more often than not.

I think it was a very poor choice of words used, and to try and make the situation better has obviously just dug an even deeper hole.

 

Both can have negative connotations but I don't think they were used viciously by Craig, or intended for that matter. I understand the original point he was trying to make about Townsend. It is good PR to play him currently, especially for a club like Spurs. He's also the type of player that is MOTD player, looks great in a highlight reel, but if you watch them over 90 minutes they can be ineffectual more often than not.

 

Nail on head deffo

 

Was in hindsight an insensitive remark, especially in the light of what Severin posted above, although goes without saying that it was a careless remark as opposed to having any malice or intended racism behind it, a throwaway figure of speech rather than any bad intentions

 

Happy to apologise without hesitation to anyone offended by it and will be more careful with wording in the future

Unexpected draw for Carlisle, I was expecting a big rout when Wolves came last night.

Premier League

 

Goalscorers

=01 Sergio Aguero MAN CITY 8

=01 Daniel Sturridge LIVERPOOL 8

=03 Aaron Ramsey ARSENAL 6

=03 Loic Remy NEWCASTLE 6

=03 Luis Suarez LIVERPOOL 6

=03 Robin van Persie MAN UNITED 6

=07 Olivier Giroud ARSENAL 5

=07 Romelu Lukaku EVERTON 5

=07 Wayne Rooney MAN UNITED 5

=07 Yaya Toure MAN CITY 5

 

 

I've been waiting for a game like this. It was coming sooner or later.

Mark was so right a few pages back, the top six looks like it will still be so close. Chelsea are pretty average if you take away their attacking midfielders, and Man City keep chopping and changing with their CBs. Soldado looks an absolute turkey.. Valencia played a blinder!

We were so unlucky today

 

Krul gave a once in a lifetime performance against us, but for him we would have got 7 or 8 on a normal day at the office

 

In all the time i have been following Spurs i have only seen 3 other goalkeeping displays like that

 

From Neville Southall for Everton, from Jaaskelainen for Bolton and from Begovic for Stoke

We were so unlucky today

 

Krul gave a once in a lifetime performance against us, but for him we would have got 7 or 8 on a normal day at the office

 

In all the time i have been following Spurs i have only seen 3 other goalkeeping displays like that

 

From Neville Southall for Everton, from Jaaskelainen for Bolton and from Begovic for Stoke

I'm a bit behind with MOTD2 so I've just seen the Tottenham highlights. That was certainly a terrific performance from Krul. The three outstanding performances that spring to mind are Jim Montgomery for Sunderland against Leeds in the 1973 FA Cup final, Jan Tomaszewski for Poland against England the same year and Peter Scmeichel for Denmark agains Germany in the 1992 European Championship final.

 

Also just heard the extraordinary stat that Tottenham have had 73 shots on target this season but scored just nine.

We were so unlucky today

 

Krul gave a once in a lifetime performance against us, but for him we would have got 7 or 8 on a normal day at the office

 

In all the time i have been following Spurs i have only seen 3 other goalkeeping displays like that

 

From Neville Southall for Everton, from Jaaskelainen for Bolton and from Begovic for Stoke

 

That was your luck evening out. Some excellent goalkeeping, but I do think the Siggurdsson shot was the only one that was quite lucky. The others were all top saves. AVB just doesn't know his best team. Bigger problem is that you have a lot of excellent athletes on your squad, but that's it. Surely time to bring Adebayour back in to the fold, regardless of whether he suits the formation. Got to be worrying that you have an inability to score goals, and I don't think it will just click one day. Still think you'll do well, but just seriously lacking the Gareth Bale factor, which happened so often last season.

I'm a bit behind with MOTD2 so I've just seen the Tottenham highlights. That was certainly a terrific performance from Krul. The three outstanding performances that spring to mind are Jim Montgomery for Sunderland against Leeds in the 1973 FA Cup final, Jan Tomaszewski for Poland against England the same year and Peter Scmeichel for Denmark agains Germany in the 1992 European Championship final.

 

Also just heard the extraordinary stat that Tottenham have had 73 shots on target this season but scored just nine.

 

Never really been a big international football fan really so even though i was alive i didn't see the international ones but my dad raved about Tomaszweski performance denying us world cup qualifying

That was your luck evening out. Some excellent goalkeeping, but I do think the Siggurdsson shot was the only one that was quite lucky. The others were all top saves. AVB just doesn't know his best team. Bigger problem is that you have a lot of excellent athletes on your squad, but that's it. Surely time to bring Adebayour back in to the fold, regardless of whether he suits the formation. Got to be worrying that you have an inability to score goals, and I don't think it will just click one day. Still think you'll do well, but just seriously lacking the Gareth Bale factor, which happened so often last season.

 

I think its a confidence thing really

 

As Suedehead said, we have had 70 odd shots on goal this season and scored 9

 

That is pathetic by any stretch of the imagination

 

So i think sooner or later we are going to win a game 5 or 6 nil and the goals will start flowing

 

I don't know the shots on goal of our rivals but would be surprised if we are not high up the list

I think its a confidence thing really

 

As Suedehead said, we have had 70 odd shots on goal this season and scored 9

 

That is pathetic by any stretch of the imagination

 

So i think sooner or later we are going to win a game 5 or 6 nil and the goals will start flowing

 

I don't know the shots on goal of our rivals but would be surprised if we are not high up the list

 

It's like Liverpool under Kenny. We'd dominate games, but were so wasteful with chances. I thought all season a thrashing would come, but it never did. It comes from having a not very clinical strike force. Eriksen squandered a brilliant chance yesterday, and Soldado should have done MUCH better with his header.

It's like Liverpool under Kenny. We'd dominate games, but were so wasteful with chances. I thought all season a thrashing would come, but it never did. It comes from having a not very clinical strike force. Eriksen squandered a brilliant chance yesterday, and Soldado should have done MUCH better with his header.

 

Who were the strikers under Kenny? am guessing Carroll although if Kenny bought Carroll then presumably Torres was a Kenny striker until Jan, wasn't it Kenny who bought Suarez too?

 

All of those are better than what we have atm

 

But i still think Soldado will come good, the system doesn't suit him, he is basically a 'fox in the box' getting a toe on good crosses from wingers, atm we have Townsend hitting and hoping from 30 yards instead of cutting into the byline to cross into the box for Soldado

 

We need to change our system imho to a way that gives Soldado more service

Accomodating Soldado would either mean a proper 4-3-3 and leaving Eriksen out or going back to 4-4-2, which would be suicide against the top teams.

 

You could have done with buying Negredo instead, really.

Accomodating Soldado would either mean a proper 4-3-3 and leaving Eriksen out or going back to 4-4-2, which would be suicide against the top teams.

 

You could have done with buying Negredo instead, really.

 

We tried for Negredo, in Jan and in the summer but he wasn't interested unfortunately on either occasion, would have been a great purchase yes

It's like Liverpool under Kenny. We'd dominate games, but were so wasteful with chances. I thought all season a thrashing would come, but it never did. It comes from having a not very clinical strike force. Eriksen squandered a brilliant chance yesterday, and Soldado should have done MUCH better with his header.

Yes Spurs now do sound very familiar to Liverpool two seasons ago

 

I remember going away from every game thinking we'd played well, but weren't able to score due to another goalkeeper having a great game at Anfield. In reality, it was just poor finishing

 

Who were the strikers under Kenny? am guessing Carroll although if Kenny bought Carroll then presumably Torres was a Kenny striker until Jan, wasn't it Kenny who bought Suarez too?

 

All of those are better than what we have atm

 

Suarez and Carroll. Torres was sold very shortly after Kenny arrived

 

Suarez may seem clinical now, but he'd regularly miss chance after chance in his first full season

 

League:

2010/2011: 4 in 13

2011/2012: 11 in 31

2012/2013: 23 in 33

2013/2014: 8 in 6

Yes Spurs now do sound very familiar to Liverpool two seasons ago

 

I remember going away from every game thinking we'd played well, but weren't able to score due to another goalkeeper having a great game at Anfield. In reality, it was just poor finishing

Suarez and Carroll. Torres was sold very shortly after Kenny arrived

 

Suarez may seem clinical now, but he'd regularly miss chance after chance in his first full season

 

League:

2010/2011: 4 in 13

2011/2012: 11 in 31

2012/2013: 23 in 33

2013/2014: 8 in 6

 

Interesting stats re Suarez, shows a player should not be written off just because he has had a slow start, hopefully in 3 years time Soldado will be showing similar form

 

Soldado is a very good player but i think we bought him without having much thought how he would actually fit in, we need to change our system

Interesting stats re Suarez, shows a player should not be written off just because he has had a slow start, hopefully in 3 years time Soldado will be showing similar form

 

Soldado is a very good player but i think we bought him without having much thought how he would actually fit in, we need to change our system

 

Suarez didn't have a slow start though, you could see his talent from the very first game, and everybody was raving about him soon after. It's just for whatever reason his finishing was lackluster under Kenny (and even still can be). Soldado just looks like a complete dud, he's no stand out quality where you watch him and think 'yeah he will be excellent'. Infact he reminds me of Andy Carroll at Liverpool. His movement is never completely with it. Against Newcastle you should have won, they gave you the space to attack them with their tactics to stop Townsend. None of your players picked up on that extra space. Like I said I really rate Holtby but AVB just chops and changes all the time, must be hard to find some sort of consistency.

Suarez didn't have a slow start though, you could see his talent from the very first game, and everybody was raving about him soon after. It's just for whatever reason his finishing was lackluster under Kenny (and even still can be). Soldado just looks like a complete dud, he's no stand out quality where you watch him and think 'yeah he will be excellent'. Infact he reminds me of Andy Carroll at Liverpool. His movement is never completely with it. Against Newcastle you should have won, they gave you the space to attack them with their tactics to stop Townsend. None of your players picked up on that extra space. Like I said I really rate Holtby but AVB just chops and changes all the time, must be hard to find some sort of consistency.

 

If we were 12th or whatever i would be very concerned but we are only 3 points away from 2nd place

 

We are creating chances but just not putting them away for various reasons, the fact chances are being created is a positive, if chances were not being created i would be bricking it

 

Plus we have a tidy fund for Jan transfer market too, heavily linked with Hernandez, Llorente and Pato

 

Whether any would come or in the case of Hernandez whether Utd would sell is a different matter