i thought nelly furtado's orginal roots were hip hop??

That is exactly right. ^_^ Every artist always needs a change whether it be a major or a minor one. Your always going to get fans who don't agree but then your always going to get fans that wouldn't agree if they didn't change their sound, so the artist can never win at the end of the day. -_-

 

Personally I really like the new Nelly sound. Its sounds a lot more fresher and its a good change. Not everyone is going to agree but then thats what opinions are for.

Yes I remember I talked to you the other week about that :lol: As it has been said in this thread in order for an artist to 'survive' they are going to have to change their sound at some point if they are going to retain their current fanbase and to stand out and win new fans. There are some bands like Oasis who could just churn out the same stuff all the time and STILL do really well because of a loyal fanbase. As for Madonna she USED to be a leader but Confessions as much as it was a great album it screamed of her running out of her OWN ideas and just jumping onto whatever is 'popular' at the time, what is unique and innovative about it exactly? She's just the the ten millionth artist to current electro bandwagon which Rachel Stevens and Girls Aloud copied from Goldfrapp really. :unsure: It's much better however when an artist goes in a new direction or does a new album because it's the music that they want to make rather than 'oh this is popular this what I'll do' as I find it easier to relate to that way and I hate it when people talk about music like it's all about '#1s' and 'selling as many records as possible' as you have sell records, yes but aren't these artists in the business to do what they want to do? I remember when Busted split and James Bourne said 'we could have milked it for at least another two years' what a lovely way to treat music :rolleyes: and I respect Charlie for leaving and making the music that he loves instead and so he's in a band now where he just concentrates on the music and he's not expected to have #1s etc... When an artist makes a new album it's always going to be a risk when they change their sound but it's much better when it at least sounds a little different rather than exactly the same as the last one which is why I'm a fan of Nelly Furtado as it's different from her other two and also one of the few albums American R&Bish type albums that is listenable imo.

 

Would you want your favourite artist to release exactly the same material every two years?

Well naturally. That's what the business is all about to the record companies - making as much money as possible hence why many Pop Idol stars or manufactured bands don't get much say in their music at all as the managers, record companies want them to do what sells and not what they want. Look at Charlie leaving Busted, Paul leaving S Club 7 - both partly down to the fact that they were unhappy with the type of music they had to do.

 

IMO Music should be about uniqueness - being who you are, expressing that through lyrics, through your songs, making someone relate to your music and touching their lives. Any artist that can do that has my respect even if I don't like them.

 

Nelly Furtardo? Yeah she's successful now and I like the 'Loose' album but the traces of her old style on there still win out for me against the new RNB direction.

 

 

Well naturally. That's what the business is all about to the record companies - making as much money as possible hence why many Pop Idol stars or manufactured bands don't get much say in their music at all as the managers, record companies want them to do what sells and not what they want. Look at Charlie leaving Busted, Paul leaving S Club 7 - both partly down to the fact that they were unhappy with the type of music they had to do.

 

IMO Music should be about uniqueness - being who you are, expressing that through lyrics, through your songs, making someone relate to your music and touching their lives. Any artist that can do that has my respect even if I don't like them.

 

Nelly Furtardo? Yeah she's successful now and I like the 'Loose' album but the traces of her old style on there still win out for me against the new RNB direction.

Well manufactured groups are put together by the record company with the SOLE INTENTION of making money, they have no control over their music whatsoever so it's just about selling the product really by getting people to write catchy songs and have them perform on kids TV etc. but Pop Idol has killed them as the public have now seen how it's done and music doesn't seem very important in that process. -_-

 

Busted however weren't manufactured, they wrote the songs and everything but saying that I have NO IDEA why Charlie was in Busted in the first place. :blink: They were marketed towards that market though and turned it so now even children that age care about 'credibility' and writing your own songs and everything which is quite impressive but there are a few manufactured bands left for example Girls Aloud have survived because the songs they bring out are very good. ^_^

 

 

Erm incase you've forgotten Madonna's last album was known as Madonna's RAP album, and the new album is a DANCE album. Now dance and rap, similar? No. So no that's not a re-invention because she feels like it, she's going to what sells. There's nothing wrong with that of course, but don't try to paint Madonna out to be some kind of revolution all on her own.

But when Madonna made her dance album, dance was having the lowest sales and chart positions it's had for about a decade. That clearly isn't going with what sells as she'd have done the dance album instead of Music or American Life when dance was bigger!

I know about Busted :kink:

I dunno you know... maybe they would've done better if they'd been marketed like Blink 182 and the like and not been as hated by anyone that isn't 14 and has breasts (or me and you of course ^_^ )

I think Busted changed pop - out with the boybands that sing ballads all day (I notice how since Busted, Westlife have appealed more and more to the Granny market).

 

I definately think Green Day's last album wouldn't have done as well and also I think they are one of the factors that contribute to the Indie dominated market we see today.

 

Oh I do love a bit of Girls Aloud - but they need to step up their game a bit if they want to survive any longer - their last album campaign goes to show they are losing face with what I thought were some of their best songs to date.

 

Rachel is another example as we continuously discuss - reviews the lot praised 'Come & Get It' and the singles yet they scrape c**p chart positions?

 

Pop today lies in the Clarkson/Pink territory if you ask me.

I have to admit that as **** as I think Busted are they have changed the way teeny-boppers look at music. Unfortunately the likes of Fall Out Boy aren't really that much of an improvement... :(

Rachel is another example as we continuously discuss - reviews the lot praised 'Come & Get It' and the singles yet they scrape c**p chart positions?

 

Pop today lies in the Clarkson/Pink territory if you ask me.

Well her album is the perfect example of the right songs released at the wrong time I think.. an artist like her who mimes all the time and doesn't have much involvment in her material (though a song she did write herself 'Waiting Game' was possibly one of best songs but was only a b-side :( ) I bet she'll probably be more R&Bish when she does make a comeback though :lol:

 

And yes I agree that Kelly and P!nk are examples of what teeny-bop is right now.

 

I have to admit that as **** as I think Busted are they have changed the way teeny-boppers look at music. Unfortunately the likes of Fall Out Boy aren't really that much of an improvement...

 

Well the likes of them and P!ATD sound a bit the same to me.. though P!ATD's album was very good imo ^_^ however they're c**p live :( Those bands are just a fad anyway and they'll be gone in a couple of years apart from maybe one or two and then LostProphets will have to jump on the next bandwagon :lol: (their new album is very good though :wub: )

I'd rather listen to Busted or McFly rather than the insepid emo bands FOB & P!ATD.

 

 

I love LostProphets :lol: And I love how each of their albums has differences to it.

 

You know all the trends wear out sooner or later - look how many have jumped on the Avril bandwagon :rolleyes:

She marketed herself as modern day Alanis Morrisette now Clarkson, Hilary, Lindsay Lohan and Ashlee Simpsons amongst others are riding the wave and pretty soon so many artists will be using the style people will just get sick of them and they'll all go bye bye :)

 

Only the ones that can adapt and evolve like Madonna will stand the test of time.

I love LostProphets :lol: And I love how each of their albums has differences to it.

 

You know all the trends wear out sooner or later - look how many have jumped on the Avril bandwagon :rolleyes:

She marketed herself as modern day Alanis Morrisette now Clarkson, Hilary, Lindsay Lohan and Ashlee Simpsons amongst others are riding the wave and pretty soon so many artists will be using the style people will just get sick of them and they'll all go bye bye :)

 

Only the ones that can adapt and evolve like Madonna will stand the test of time.

But Avril jumped on the Michelle Branch bandwagon after Michelle tried to be Alanis first :P

But Michelle flopped.

Here anyway ^_^

Well she shouldn't have as she had some great songs on both her albums :( However 'Everywhere' did quite well to be top 20 considering the lack of promo. ^_^

I think with Nelly Furtado it was a sell-out kind of thing. When Folklore was released, she always said that it was the album that she wanted to make, and that she would always stick to her roots and make the music she wanted to wether it sells or not. However, now she gives an excuse that the 'loose' Nelly is the real her, and although it may be a solid album she has lost of respect from people for seeling out to the extent that she did. Sure, she has always had hip hop influences, but not to the extent that Loose portrays her as.

Look at the videos; Try has an amazing video full of feeling, Promiscuous is just a club video

 

Shakira has done kind of the same. In Latin America she was a rock artist, singing songs with her band and guitar, but she was made into a latin stereotype by the people around ehr to breakthrough into the mainstream US. When she finally made some english music which was almost a throwback to her DELL days, it didn't sell very well, so she stuck on a hip hop tune which blew up sales for her, and helped her to become the biggest female this year with the third biggest album of the year

 

it's a shame, but even the greatest artists have to sell out sometimes

pop stars have always changed their musical style if they thought they would sell more by doing so.. its nothing new..

 

 

Excuse me dear. Whoa! Nelly was a pop album (according to Nelly), Folklore was a folk album (according to Nelly) folk music and pop music are nowhere near similar. She went from a pop beat to a banjo, hardly similar.

 

Erm incase you've forgotten Madonna's last album was known as Madonna's RAP album, and the new album is a DANCE album. Now dance and rap, similar? No. So no that's not a re-invention because she feels like it, she's going to what sells. There's nothing wrong with that of course, but don't try to paint Madonna out to be some kind of revolution all on her own.

 

What's this RAP album? I think I missed that one. Wasn't "american life" before "Confessions on a dance floor"? I Don't remember that being a rapp album. Madonna's musical changes never alienate her fanbase. She changes with the times but is always true with her pop/dance style. Nelly has completly changed. For example: If Avril Lavigne came back wearing a pink rarar skirt singing "all I want is your love and kisses!" her fans from her first 2 albums would be so miffed. Nelly has done this, she has completly changed.

 

There is no need to write with an attitude by the way. These "dears" and "excuse me's" we're just discussing music after all. chill

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What's this RAP album? I think I missed that one. Wasn't "american life" before "Confessions on a dance floor"? I Don't remember that being a rapp album. Madonna's musical changes never alienate her fanbase. She changes with the times but is always true with her pop/dance style. Nelly has completly changed. For example: If Avril Lavigne came back wearing a pink rarar skirt singing "all I want is your love and kisses!" her fans from her first 2 albums would be so miffed. Nelly has done this, she has completly changed.

 

There is no need to write with an attitude by the way. These "dears" and "excuse me's" we're just discussing music after all. chill

Yeah I do mean American Life, the lead track was Madonna rapping was it not? :unsure: It was one of Madonna's lowest selling studio albums to date, so, surprisingly, she ditches the look that flopped for her and changed to dance. As I say there's no shame in changing your musical style as many people have said it's just natural progression, but I guarantee if American Life had of been Madonna's most successful album she wouldn't have changed her style at all. ;) I agree with your example Avril would be selling out. In my opinion I still don't think Nelly has sold out, so she's gone a little more comercial, what's the harm in it?

 

Oh i'm sorry if you aren't too familiar with my posting style, when I say 'DEAR' it's a term of endearment, I call a lot of my friends around here 'dear', and then since you decided to call me dear back I took it as sarcasm which is why "excuse me" came out.

But Madonna didn't 'change' her musical style she always is consistent just changes her image after all she's the queen of re-invention.

But Madonna didn't 'change' her musical style she always is consistent just changes her image after all she's the queen of re-invention.

But that's what I mean, this whole thread is referring to artists re-inventing themselves which I don't see anything wrong with.

 

But Madonna DID change her musical style unless you can see American Life and Hung Up being fairly similar? :huh:

Yeah I do mean American Life, the lead track was Madonna rapping was it not? :unsure: It was one of Madonna's lowest selling studio albums to date, so, surprisingly, she ditches the look that flopped for her and changed to dance. As I say there's no shame in changing your musical style as many people have said it's just natural progression, but I guarantee if American Life had of been Madonna's most successful album she wouldn't have changed her style at all. ;) I agree with your example Avril would be selling out. In my opinion I still don't think Nelly has sold out, so she's gone a little more comercial, what's the harm in it?

 

Oh i'm sorry if you aren't too familiar with my posting style, when I say 'DEAR' it's a term of endearment, I call a lot of my friends around here 'dear', and then since you decided to call me dear back I took it as sarcasm which is why "excuse me" came out.

 

lol, I see. :) I honestly don't remember madonna rapping though :huh: I guess I will have to give the album another listen sometime.