June 23, 201411 yr Oh if this is the case I'll be very sad :( I know right. :( As it's been mentionned in the Streaming chart thread, labels often release songs to streaming websites when the song is available to buy anwyway... :(
June 23, 201411 yr If 100 streams = 1 sales, streaming shouldn't give more than a +10,000 sale boost in a week (since they say only a very few songs have reached the 1 million mark on streaming in a single week). And that's considering most songs will benefit from it anyway, so relatively, the boost won't even be that important. Maybe something like +5,000 at best. It won't dramatically change the charts. As for cheating, I'm sure they will have some restrictions toward repetive listens. Not YET, but give it a few years when streaming is x times more popular and sales have halved, it definitely will.
June 23, 201411 yr You don't think mad One Direction fan wouldn't just plug in an old phone and have it streaming their latest single constantly so they could give them 25 sales a week? If enough of them did it it would have an effect. That's why they need the cap. If mum/dad are paying the phone bill though, they won't do it very often... :rofl: I'm just curious to see if we get any new entries inside the top 40 every week, that will really slow the chart. It won't stop more popular songs from entering high.
June 23, 201411 yr Author I'm just curious to see if we get any new entries inside the top 40 every week, that will really slow the chart. I think it will make it harder for new entries to sneak in the Top 40 which we've seen a lot of eg the Kooks this year with both hits.
June 23, 201411 yr iTunes Radio is not yet available in the UK, right? I'm not sure if it's US only or has it been expanded already.
June 23, 201411 yr ^ isn't that what elyar fox and 5 seconds of summer are doing? or every record label that is in collusion with one and other to allow each of their acts to shine? It's very reminiscent of the early 00s really isn't it? These things are cyclical, technology evolves, record labels struggle, labels learn how to manipulate the chart based on an old model. Music will forever evolve and you can't stay stuck in the past, look at how 'hideaway' was judged based on front loaded sales but many streams and a song definitely in the public consciousness. I know posters here love the chart but in many ways Buzzjack has acted as a vessel for finding new music and as a site the chart doesn't represent how we gain, interpret or listen to music. In conclusion: accept the chart for what it is and going to become and expect no more. Also radio 1 will always be awful apart from occasionally.
June 23, 201411 yr Not YET, but give it a few years when streaming is x times more popular and sales have halved, it definitely will. But then it will make even more sense to include streaming, if as you say sales have halved and don't represent anything anymore.
June 23, 201411 yr I just had a terrible thought, Happy is going to go back top 10 :( when the new system kicks in
June 23, 201411 yr But then it will make even more sense to include streaming, if as you say sales have halved and don't represent anything anymore. Not disputing that, just don't think it's right to say that it won't affect the chart much.
June 23, 201411 yr Not disputing that, just don't think it's right to say that it won't affect the chart much. I agree. Even now with the current weighting I think it'll effect the chart a fair amount. Maybe not so much in the top 10 where sales are high and there can be big gaps in-between positions, but lower down the chart, an extra 5,000 "sales" can cause a song to jump quite a lot of positions.
June 23, 201411 yr I very much look forward to seeing the effect this'll have; the chart will be what it is. Also pretty much everything Jake said. Streaming might be helping old hits now but I've no doubt new songs will find new ways to get streaming advantages if they can, this is a new era for the chart and it's quite exciting actually to see where we go from here.
June 23, 201411 yr Wait, so will the certifications for already released tracks also be updated according to their streaming history? Does this mean Iggy's "Work" per example has a chance to already be Silver since its close in sales but with all the UK streams its gotten so far it may be enough? Thx Edited June 23, 201411 yr by jmmc
June 23, 201411 yr I've no doubt new songs will find new ways to get streaming advantages if they can Maybe some indie songs or some Arctic Monkeys album tracks can get early streaming, but I don't think I've ever seen a pop/dance/R&B song do well on streaming early. They always do well in sales first, then streaming afterwards. Only examples I can think of are songs like Hideaway, but that's because it was released for streaming earlier (and had an advert on Spotify telling everybody to listen to the song). Wait, so will the certifications for already released tracks also be updated according to their streaming history? Does this mean Iggy's "Work" per example has a chance to already be Silver since its close in sales but with all the UK streams its gotten so far it may be enough? Thx Not sure, but when they added streaming to certifications in the US all the old songs got adjusted, so it could happen like that in the UK too. Edited June 23, 201411 yr by Eric_Blob
June 23, 201411 yr Maybe some indie songs or some Arctic Monkeys album tracks can get early streaming, but I don't think I've ever seen a pop/dance/R&B song do well on streaming early. They always do well in sales first, then streaming afterwards. Only examples I can think of are songs like Hideaway, but that's because it was released for streaming earlier (and had an advert on Spotify telling everybody to listen to the song). I am indeed thinking more of ad space on Spotify and the likes becoming very valuable property for bands/singers with a lot of money-making potential behind them. More so than before.
June 23, 201411 yr Wait, so will the certifications for already released tracks also be updated according to their streaming history? Does this mean Iggy's "Work" per example has a chance to already be Silver since its close in sales but with all the UK streams its gotten so far it may be enough? Thx I'd assume that they'll only count the streaming from after the streaming is taken into the chart. There will be 100s of ceritifcations all at once otherwise. There are plenty of songs sitting at 180 - 199k or 390 - 399k, etc.
June 23, 201411 yr The UK Spotify Top 50: 1. Waves - Robin Schulz Radio... Mr. Probz 1,162,843 plays 2. Stay With Me Sam Smith 930,406 plays 3. Summer Calvin Harris 919,773 plays 4. Fancy Iggy Azalea 826,487 plays 5. Rather Be feat. Jess Glynne Clean Bandit 746,428 plays 6. All of Me John Legend 700,052 plays 7. Hideaway Kiesza 679,815 plays 8. A Sky Full Of Stars Coldplay 623,957 plays 9. I Will Never Let You Down RITA ORA 604,546 plays 10. Magic Coldplay 560,900 plays 11. Nobody To Love - Extended M... Sigma 522,817 plays 12. Wiggle (feat. Snoop Dogg) Jason Derulo 517,552 plays 13. Dark Horse Katy Perry 516,793 plays 14. Money On My Mind Sam Smith 509,412 plays 15. My Love Route 94 495,077 plays 16. Stay High - Habits Remix Tove Lo 491,225 plays 17. The Man Aloe Blacc 482,529 plays 18. Happy (From "Despicable Me... Pharrell Williams 471,039 plays 19. I Got U Duke Dumont 450,941 plays 20. Bad (feat. Vassy) - Radio E... David Guetta 421,480 plays 21. Timber Pitbull 404,572 plays 22. Turn Down for What DJ Snake & Lil Jon 394,330 plays 23. Birthday Katy Perry 372,054 plays 24. Pompeii Bastille 363,299 plays 25. Riptide Vance Joy 356,152 plays 26. Do I Wanna Know? Arctic Monkeys 354,891 plays 27. Demons Imagine Dragons 353,659 plays 28. Wild Wild Love Pitbull 353,274 plays 29. Loyal Chris Brown 335,758 plays 30. Counting Stars OneRepublic 335,358 plays 31. All of Me - Tiësto's Birthd... John Legend 334,218 plays 32. She Looks So Perfect 5 Seconds Of Summe... 325,721 plays 33. Love Never Felt So Good Michael Jackson 313,069 plays 34. Radioactive Imagine Dragons 302,792 plays 35. Touch Shift K3Y 299,142 plays 36. Let It Go Various Artists 297,840 plays 37. Let Her Go Passenger 294,180 plays 38. Can't Hold Us - feat. Ray D... Macklemore & Ryan... 289,075 plays 39. Best Day Of My Life American Authors 283,751 plays 40. Take Me Home [feat. Bebe Re... Cash Cash 279,334 plays 41. Addicted To You Avicii 278,138 plays 42. Drunk in Love Beyoncé 276,935 plays 43. Not a Bad Thing Justin Timberlake 274,427 plays 44. Let It Go - English Version Various Artists 273,815 plays 45. Hey Brother Avicii 273,410 plays 46. Team Lorde 271,389 plays 47. Dangerous Love Fuse ODG 268,435 plays 48. #SELFIE The Chainsmokers 258,616 plays 49. Extraordinary feat. Sharna... Clean Bandit 254,177 plays 50. Wake Me Up Avicii 251,810 plays How many streams will equal to 1 sale then? so maybe 15000 sales for #1 and maybe 3000 sales for #50
June 23, 201411 yr Few interesting things about this, how will this affect ministry of sound. Seeing as they're counting all streaming websites, I hope this means streaming sites don't get exclusives anymore, like right now Spotify is the only streaming site that has Broken Bells new album in the Uk. Also there are chart rules that meant all those Ed Sheeran songs couldn't chart last week, all those songs were streaming as well, would they count the streams but not count the instant grats
June 23, 201411 yr iTunes Radio is not yet available in the UK, right? I'm not sure if it's US only or has it been expanded already. Internet radio won't count. Billboard doesn't count Pandora for example. And Pandora is HUGE in the USA. 70,000,000+ active users.
June 23, 201411 yr Example on what the UK Charts could report/look like: Song X by singer Y is #1 this week with 84,321 sales equivalent units. 70,120 downloads, 2,404 physical sales and 1,179,000 streams (equivalent of 11,790 sales). The ratio will be: 70,120 / 84,321 = 83.1% download 2,404 / 84,321 = 2.9% physical 11,790 / 84,321 = 14% streaming Edited June 23, 201411 yr by Dust2
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