And literally, again, you wouldn't be able to do a successful tubthumping soapbox tour of the country which riles up your enemies if you were funereal. You'd just get mocked and ignored.

And literally, again, you wouldn't be able to do a successful tubthumping soapbox tour of the country which riles up your enemies if you were funereal. You'd just get mocked and ignored.

 

:lol: Even Ed Miliband has done "soapbox tours".

 

(Out of interest, who do you think is a more engaging speaker, Murphy or EdM? I honestly think it would be a very close call.)

Edited November 2, 201410 yr by Danny

Yeah, and you'll notice that Ed got ripped the piss out of for his and has never been seen as a threat by his opponents when he's done them.

 

It depends on the setting really, because Ed's far more engaging in person than he's given credit for but he's woeful at set pieces. Jim's the better all rounder by far - in a small meeting he can come off a bit boring, but he comes off really well if he's talking to a crowd.

In the short term (ie. up to the election) I can't see how having a leader who's an MP rather than an MSP AND former Shadow Cabinet member is going to give a poll bounce. I'm sure there would be issues with Neil Findlay beyond May but this leadership election is as much about saving Scottish Labour's skin as it is about anything else.

Unite in Scotland suggests that 54% of those who voted Labour in 2010 won't be doing so again. Will link to site when I get home but I can't wait to see Tyron loon glasses this one away

I'm not especially surprised a lot of Unite members are hostile to Labour after the Falkirk thing. In any case, there's a significant difference between '54 percent of those who voted Labour in the last general election say that they do not expect to do so again in 2015' and '54% of those who voted Labour in 2010 won't be doing so again'. The latter implies they've made up their minds and won't be persuaded back, not now, not ever.

In any case, these loon glasses seemed to work pretty well during the independence campaign *.*

Unite in Scotland suggests that 54% of those who voted Labour in 2010 won't be doing so again. Will link to site when I get home but I can't wait to see Tyron loon glasses this one away

 

Do you now think North East Fife is a surefire SNP gain? I put a bet on Labour winning it last year, but am now bitterly regretting it :drama:

Do you now think North East Fife is a surefire SNP gain? I put a bet on Labour winning it last year, but am now bitterly regretting it :drama:

What the hell did you do that for?!?

 

NE-Fife is a definite SNP gain. Even Labour in Fife must know that their cash is better served defending Dunfermline than wasted up here trying to avoid slipping back to 4th behind the free falling LibDems.

What the hell did you do that for?!?

 

NE-Fife is a definite SNP gain. Even Labour in Fife must know that their cash is better served defending Dunfermline than wasted up here trying to avoid slipping back to 4th behind the free falling LibDems.

 

In my defense, I made that bet when I thought Labour might get an overall majority and when I thought they'd have a decent-sized lead over the SNP in Scotland. Needless to say, I don't think either of those things anymore!

 

My main reasoning was that constituency has a very high rate of public-sector employment, which is usually a sign of a seat that's trending towards Labour (even really wealthy public-sector workers often vote Labour these days since the Tories have such an irrational hatred for them), but even so it would probably need to be a very good election for Labour for them to actually have a shot of taking it from so far behind.

Edited November 4, 201410 yr by Danny

Labour has never really been in the picture around here.

 

Public Sector employment is high because it includes the Uni (1,200 people) as well as a large RAF base (until very recently). Cupar was the county seat from the 1300's until Glenrothes was built and some things are still based in Cupar so Fife Council is a big employer.

 

Farming is massive here as well. Basically NE Fife is rural and affluent, not typically Labour at all.

 

 

 

New IpsosMori poll for Holyrood puts the SNP on 57% vs Labour's 23% on Constituency and 50% vs 23% on Regional list. 2016 looks to be another landslide. http://www.snp.org/media-centre/news/2014/...ort-record-high [/YesIAmNowASNPMember]

North East Fife wasn't even on the 106 seat target list for Labour! Literally, that one's a fight for third with the Tories.

New IpsosMori poll for Holyrood puts the SNP on 57% vs Labour's 23% on Constituency and 50% vs 23% on Regional list. 2016 looks to be another landslide. http://www.snp.org/media-centre/news/2014/...ort-record-high [/YesIAmNowASNPMember]

If you're projecting results in two years from polls when the SNP are in the middle of a handover between two popular leaders and while Scottish Labour don't even have a leader and have just had one resign with the most SNP-favourable reason given for that resignation, then I don't really know what I can say.

If you're projecting results in two years from polls when the SNP are in the middle of a handover between two popular leaders and while Scottish Labour don't even have a leader and have just had one resign with the most SNP-favourable reason given for that resignation, then I don't really know what I can say.

They're a second term government with increasing poll lead over second place and a record high level of support. They would literally have to cease to exist to lose the 2016 election, or enter a coalition with the Tories.

North East Fife wasn't even on the 106 seat target list for Labour! Literally, that one's a fight for third with the Tories.

If Labour were to list all non-Labour seats and rank them in order of winnability for them, I would be surprised if NE-Fife was outside of the bottom 15-25%. Until 2010 it was about a safe a LibDem seat as you could get.

They're a second term government with increasing poll lead over second place and a record high level of support. They would literally have to cease to exist to lose the 2016 election, or enter a coalition with the Tories.

I'm not saying they'll lose the 2016 election, but it's pretty odd to project a landslide from polling at a time when things could literally not get any better for the SNP or any worse for Labour.

Also, just to say - it's a bit fucking rich of the SNP to be doing the 'Labour will NEVER BE FORGIVEN for standing side-by-side with the Tories in the referendum!' line when the SNP minority government between 2007 and 2011 was literally propped up by Tory votes.

I'm not saying they'll lose the 2016 election, but it's pretty odd to project a landslide from polling at a time when things could literally not get any better for the SNP or any worse for Labour.

I'd have predicted this landslide before the referendum. SNP have a great record at Holyrood and have done a bang up job running the country.

Poll this week had support for Indie at 52%

 

First poll I've seen since the referendum, or at least the first that puts Yes in the lead. This question isn't going away any time soon.

 

Also, just to say - it's a bit fucking rich of the SNP to be doing the 'Labour will NEVER BE FORGIVEN for standing side-by-side with the Tories in the referendum!' line when the SNP minority government between 2007 and 2011 was literally propped up by Tory votes.

http://www.scotsman.com/news/opinion/lette...ories-1-3592639

 

Even our press is already on it.

Well it's not exactly difficult to keep a reputation when domestic politics has for all intents and purposes gone out of the window for three years for the sake of a process argument.