her fans compare her to the likes of Whitney Houston and Mariah Carey back when they were at their peak...

 

Well, speaking as someone totally unbiased (not being a fan of Mariah or Whitney and all...), that seems to be a totally ludicrous thing to claim.. Kelly Clarkson is totally interchangeable with literally DOZENS of purveyors of light, soft, girlie "Rock" over the years - Allanah Myles, Bonnie Tyler, Carol Decker, that bird who sang the "Top Gun" theme.... and literally LOADS of others. Frankly you could change Clarkson for any one of these and I seriously doubt anyone would notice the difference..... I may loathe them, but Whitney and Mariah are very clearly defined in terms of their singing style...

Well, speaking as someone totally unbiased (not being a fan of Mariah or Whitney and all...), that seems to be a totally ludicrous thing to claim.. Kelly Clarkson is totally interchangeable with literally DOZENS of purveyors of light, soft, girlie "Rock" over the years - Allanah Myles, Bonnie Tyler, Carol Decker, that bird who sang the "Top Gun" theme.... and literally LOADS of others. Frankly you could change Clarkson for any one of these and I seriously doubt anyone would notice the difference..... I may loathe them, but Whitney and Mariah are very clearly defined in terms of their singing style...

A Mariah COMPLIMENT coming from SCOTT? *DIES* :lol:

A Mariah COMPLIMENT coming from SCOTT? *DIES* :lol:

 

I prefer to call it "damning with faint praise" myself..... :lol: :lol:

 

I kinda DID point out that I loathe her as an artist, I'm talking about her technical ability as a singer only.... ;)

 

I prefer to call it "damning with faint praise" myself..... :lol: :lol:

 

I kinda DID point out that I loathe her as an artist, I'm talking about her technical ability as a singer only.... ;)

Well yes I know you loathe her, but still a half arsed compliment is better than none at all. :lol: I think Cyndi Lauper is underrated. But i'm in the wrong thread. :(

I think Cyndi Lauper is underrated. But i'm in the wrong thread. :(

 

Hmm, yeah, Cyndi Lauper. Someone else that I would say is a fore-bear of Kelly Clarkson, but again, a hell of a lot better in terms of her individual style and actual material. "Girls Just Wanna Have Fun" will still be playing in Discos long after Kelly Clarkson is forgotten.... :lol:

 

Put her in the other thread, I'll back you.....

'Overrated' generally means "I didn't like it even though a lot of people did".

 

Nontheless, there are quite a few acts I don't really get the appeal of. I've personally always thought Elvis was overrated. Yes, he could sing well and looked the part, and yes he was so popular it would have been impossible for him not to have an effect on the entire music industry, but he was just as much a manufactured puppet as anyone else who's come after him.

 

If we're just speaking about today's acts- Lily Allen is one example. She doesn't get much criticism for her, frankly, awful voice, and while her songs aren't bad as cheesy pop songs go, they're not amazing works of a genius like some people are making out. Plus her whole "I'm a chav from da streets" image is stupid. Doesn't everyone know she's a spoilt little Veruca Salt by now?

 

Justin Timberlake- weak voice, has Timbaland and the Neptunes having more input in his music than he does, and yet he and certain sections of the media make out he's some sort of saviour of music. His 'tough/street' image is even more laughable than Lilly Allen's.

 

The Feeling- they're just this year's Toploader. Irritating, naff pop music for dull middle aged men.

 

The Kooks- I am so sick of hearing Luke Pritchard's smug, whiney voice on the radio singing yet another boring song about how the latest gold digger has dumped him because she's realised that despite him being in a band and having a rich family he's still a weedy inbred mop-haired little runt.

 

You could go on forever.

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Dido is not overrated. In fact, she is UNDERrated, since she is one of the most criticized artists by reviewers and magazines. I think she is better then 95% of the artists we have today, and if everyone in the UK seems to dislike her, it´s just because she is not a "cool" indie artist on the cover of NME, even tought it has become totally pointless, indie bands today come and go quicker then boybands did in the 90´s.

Dido is really overrated. She'd probably still be cluttering up bargain bins if Eminem hadn't sampled Thank You. Her music is boring and her voice is just terrible. It just goes right through me. I really can't see what is supposed to be so special about her.

 

I think Robbie Williams is vastly overrated too. His voice is weak and he seems to be able to release any old rubbish and he gets a hit.. If he released a single consisting of him armpit farting his fans would say it was subversive/post modern/not taking himself too seriously etc. I reckon his popularity is mainly people buying into his joker/class clown personality more than his actual songs, which for the most part are fairly standard pub singer stuff. That said I prefer him doing that than when he was a wannabe Ratpack singer or when he's doing a messy novelty record like Rudebox. Luckily he seems to be a lot less popular nowadays than he once was.

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Dido is really overrated. She'd probably still be cluttering up bargain bins if Eminem hadn't sampled Thank You. Her music is boring and her voice is just terrible. It just goes right through me. I really can't see what is supposed to be so special about her.

Eminem and other rappers like him have sampled / featured tons of artists in their careers and not necessarily they become million selling acts. If Dido was sucessful just because of Eminem, then D12 (a band where Eminem himself is featured) would be 2x more sucessful then her, and it´s not. Not to mention her album was already Gold in the USA before the famous sample was released, something that most british artists struggle to reach. But of course that would be too much to expect from someone whose opinions are basically cliches. Dido sells her music because of her voice, which is incredibly beautiful. She isn´t too famous, she isn´t a glamurous celebrity, she never receives good reviews in cult magazines and she isn´t a sex symbol, but her albums sell millions because she has a beautiful voice and she writes beautiful songs, and that´s it... I would say she is overrated only if the entire media was saying she is the saviour of music and stuff like that, which clearly isn´t the case... Stupid magazines and UK moron journalists prefer giving these merits to artists who are here today, gone tomorrow. Dido herself only started to be "bland" and "incredibly boring" on the public´s eye after she sold millions... Same with James Blunt, who was a cool new singer who promissed to be the new Elton John, and after his album sold millions, he suddenly became a piece of $h!t. While people like KT Tunstall are considered the fresh of coolness in UK music, just because her songs have a few more guitars and are a bit (just a bit) more upbeat, that she can pretend she is "rock". The real reason Dido is hated is of course she had 2 consecutive albums that sold nearly 3 million in UK, which no other artist in history has achieved. It hurts the media that no matter how much they hype up and throw at our ears their darling artists, they will take 30 years to achieve the sucess that Dido had with 2 albums.

Dido is not overrated. In fact, she is UNDERrated, since she is one of the most criticized artists by reviewers and magazines. I think she is better then 95% of the artists we have today, and if everyone in the UK seems to dislike her, it´s just because she is not a "cool" indie artist on the cover of NME, even tought it has become totally pointless, indie bands today come and go quicker then boybands did in the 90´s.

If everyone in the UK 'disliked her' then she wouldn't have two of the best selling albums here this century :huh: but I don't see what's so special about her personally and I think you'll find that most indie bands have lasted a hell of a long time, they're the forefront of music right now because they create the best music and they last because they have control of what they do as they write the songs and everything so we have a hell of a lot of bands who've lasted a long time ^_^

 

Anyway in terms of artists that'll still be played and / or talked about in 50 years it's all about the originals of the bands that defined different generations so that's The Beatles, Rolling Stones, The Who, Elvis, Queen ( -_- ) , Sex Pistols, The Clash, The Jam, Michael Jackson, The Smiths, U2, REM, Madonna, Nirvana, Oasis, Radiohead, Spice Girls and Robbie. I think also it's not necessarily the 'big' acts that'll be talked about, Velvet Underground weren't a big act but they've been VERY influencial indeed.. You can't say any bands or artists from the 2000s yet but right now I'm pretty Kelly Clarkson won't be among them :lol: If you want a manufactured act from the 21st century then it'd probably be Britney if anyone as her impact led to many pop princess clones. :P I think POSSIBLY maybe The Libertines, White Stripes or The Strokes would be bands that would be discussed as they were the bands that started the whole Indie thing right now (or second wave of brit pop as not all the bands are on Indie labels) Coldplay would be a good one too but mostly for their popularity.. Will Young could also be one as he was part of the Reality TV programmes that was part of what made the british public turn their back on manufactured groups and Leave Right Now was a great track too. Arctic Monkeys is also a possibility as they were the started the use of the internet to build a fanbase in which a certain other artist lied about for extra publicity. ^_^ *coughsandithomcough* Goldfrapp been a big influence on keeping Pop's head above water for the moment with a lot of people basically ripping her off so maybe her.. Kylie as well as she's seen as an 'icon' by so many people and going from Waterman's product to then doing things her own way and being one of the best live singers in the world! and then you have the potential 'huge' acts in which AM could be and also The Killers and Razorlight I think. :D

 

That's what I'd say right now anyway..

Who on earth said Dido was underatted? :rofl:

I do think Dido gets far more stick than she deserves. I rather like her.

I do think Dido gets far more stick than she deserves. I rather like her.

I do like her and own both her albums but I understand why people say she's boring. She's the musical equivalent to Chris Martin vocally.

I do like her and own both her albums but I understand why people say she's boring. She's the musical equivalent to Chris Martin vocally.

 

I find Dido's voice really soothing, but Chris Martin's goes straight through me *shudder*.

Dido, Coldplay... Both as boring, over-rated and dull as each other as far as I'm concerned..

Dido, Coldplay... Both as boring, over-rated and dull as each other as far as I'm concerned..

One of my points exact ^

Bloody Coldplay, extremely overrated if you ask me. <_<

If everyone in the UK 'disliked her' then she wouldn't have two of the best selling albums here this century :huh: but I don't see what's so special about her personally and I think you'll find that most indie bands have lasted a hell of a long time, they're the forefront of music right now because they create the best music and they last because they have control of what they do as they write the songs and everything so we have a hell of a lot of bands who've lasted a long time ^_^

 

Anyway in terms of artists that'll still be played and / or talked about in 50 years it's all about the originals of the bands that defined different generations so that's The Beatles, Rolling Stones, The Who, Elvis, Queen ( -_- ) , Sex Pistols, The Clash, The Jam, Michael Jackson, The Smiths, U2, REM, Madonna, Nirvana, Oasis, Radiohead, Spice Girls and Robbie. I think also it's not necessarily the 'big' acts that'll be talked about, Velvet Underground weren't a big act but they've been VERY influencial indeed.. You can't say any bands or artists from the 2000s yet but right now I'm pretty Kelly Clarkson won't be among them :lol: If you want a manufactured act from the 21st century then it'd probably be Britney if anyone as her impact led to many pop princess clones. :P I think POSSIBLY maybe The Libertines, White Stripes or The Strokes would be bands that would be discussed as they were the bands that started the whole Indie thing right now (or second wave of brit pop as not all the bands are on Indie labels) Coldplay would be a good one too but mostly for their popularity.. Will Young could also be one as he was part of the Reality TV programmes that was part of what made the british public turn their back on manufactured groups and Leave Right Now was a great track too. Arctic Monkeys is also a possibility as they were the started the use of the internet to build a fanbase in which a certain other artist lied about for extra publicity. ^_^ *coughsandithomcough* Goldfrapp been a big influence on keeping Pop's head above water for the moment with a lot of people basically ripping her off so maybe her.. Kylie as well as she's seen as an 'icon' by so many people and going from Waterman's product to then doing things her own way and being one of the best live singers in the world! and then you have the potential 'huge' acts in which AM could be and also The Killers and Razorlight I think. :D

 

That's what I'd say right now anyway..

 

Yep, I'd go along with most of what you say, particularly when you talk about the Velvet Underground (who are namechecked by just about every Indie and Alternative band worthy of the name...), Joy Division, The Cure and The Smiths will ALWAYS be respected as well....

 

I can see Nine Inch Nails being a name that will be remembered for those who are into all things dark and brooding, maybe Marilyn Manson as well. Rob Zombie I can see being remembered for his films rather than his music to be honest :lol: I would say that Interpol and Muse are pretty good prospects as well...

 

I don't think Goldfrapp will be remembered. Sure they are a great band, but everyone from Rachel Stevens to Kylie copies them, and for that reason I always think they'll be left in the shadows.

 

Dido is a great artist as well, and critically, she is under-rated. She gets a lot of stick from the press, which is rather idiotic as the sales she has from 2 albums alone prove she makes a good connection with the public

Goldfrapp will never get remembered, just another slightly-big electronica band, they haven't had any huge hits. Though they are very under-rated still imo, 'Supernature' was a fab example of synthy-electro-pop. T'was a great album :wub: