March 2, 201510 yr Most of those 1999 Scottish #1's are amazing! Ha at Hermes House Band going to the top there, I remember it being a heavily tipped Xmas #1 here but ended up stuck at #7 and then #10 for an eternity iirc.
March 2, 201510 yr Most of those 1999 Scottish #1's are amazing! Ha at Hermes House Band going to the top there, I remember it being a heavily tipped Xmas #1 here but ended up stuck at #7 and then #10 for an eternity iirc. Scotland really are all about the fun :lol:
March 2, 201510 yr Hermes House Band actually had two stints at number one, taking all of Daniel Bedingfield's UK weeks! On to 2003 to 2005 where the Fast Food Song tops for two weeks in a nation famed for a fondness for fast food, the Cheeky Girls have a second number one, and Scotland completely ignores Usher (who to this point has not had a number one in Scotland at all!) UK toppers that didn't top in Scotland 2003 - Busted - You Said No - Daniel Bedingfield - Never Gonna Leave Your Side 2004 - Sam & Mark - With A Little Help From My Friends - Busted - Who's David - Usher ft Lil' Jon and Ludacris - Yeah! - Usher - Burn - The Shapeshifters - Lola's Theme - 3 Of A Kind - Baby Cakes - Nelly - My Place/Flap Your Wings - Ja Rule ft R Kelly & Ashanti - Wonderful 2005 - Ciara ft Petey Pablo - Goodies Scotland-only toppers 2003 - Electric Six - Danger High Voltage - Oasis - Songbird - Sinead Quinn - I Can't Break Down - DJ Sammy - The Boys Of Summer - David Sneddon - Don't Let Go - The Cheeky Girls - Take Your Shoes Off - S Club - Say Goodbye/Love Ain't Gonna Wait For You - The Fast Food Rockers - The Fast Food Song - Robbie Williams - Something Beautiful - Ultrabeat - Pretty Green Eyes 2004 - Anastacia - Left Outside Alone - Special D - Come With Me - Girls Aloud - The Show - Rachel Stevens - Some Girls - Jojo - Leave (Get Out) 2005 - Elvis Presley - A Fool Such As I I have got to the week ending 30th April 2005, from which point there seemingly is no Scottish chart until Sept 2005.
March 2, 201510 yr Dan, do you have all the Scottish #1s? Could you post them in this thread to save me doing a bit of work? :P http://www.buzzjack.com/forums/index.php?s...p;#entry4988182
March 2, 201510 yr Loving that iconic UK number 2s in the 1990s Bittersweet Symphony, Song 2, Lovefool, Children etc. were number 1s after all in Scotland. Although, that Mike Flower Pops version officially having a higher peak than Oasis', ugh. Kinda not that surprising that Three Lions didn't make it in any form! Edited March 2, 201510 yr by Chez Wombat
March 2, 201510 yr Dan, do you have all the Scottish #1s? Could you post them in this thread to save me doing a bit of work? :P http://www.buzzjack.com/forums/index.php?s...p;#entry4988182 I haven't kept a note of them in that form unfortunately, I have just been making a note of the differences as I come to them. But I will go back through and do that kind of list afterwards, as I was going to for my own benefit anyway, so that may happen tomorrow or Tuesday, and I will add to your thread at that stage. I notice you have a complete list for 1994, although the Official Charts website has lot of them missing in April-July of that year, so did you have another source for those weeks?
March 2, 201510 yr I haven't kept a note of them in that form unfortunately, I have just been making a note of the differences as I come to them. But I will go back through and do that kind of list afterwards, as I was going to for my own benefit anyway, so that may happen tomorrow or Tuesday, and I will add to your thread at that stage. I notice you have a complete list for 1994, although the Official Charts website has lot of them missing in April-July of that year, so did you have another source for those weeks? No. I just assumed Wet Wet Wet were #1 for all those weeks.
March 2, 201510 yr Here is the period from September 2005 to December 2007 (there is a gap from May to September as the archive is missing them on the OCC site. It is evident that downloads had yet to be included in the Scottish charts in this period, as many high profile acts lose their first (and sometimes only) week because of it. The hits that missed the top in Scotland 2005 (Sept+) - Gorillaz - Dare - The Pussycat Dolls - Stickwitu 2006 - Notorious BIG et al - Nasty Girl - Orson - No Tomorrow - Ne-Yo - So Sick - Nelly Furtado - Maneater - Lily Allen - Smile - Beyonce - Deja Vu - Akon and Eminem - Smack That 2007 - Timbaland, Nelly Furtado and Justin Timberlake - Give It To Me - Kanye West - Stronger Scotland only toppers 2005 (Sept+) - - Daniel Powter - Bad Day - Oasis - Let There Be Love 2006 - Dead Or Alive - You Spin Me Round - Embrace - Nature's Law - Various Artists - Tribute To Jinky - Trinidad & Tobago Tartan Army - Scotland Scotland Jason Scotland - Paolo Nutini - Last Request - Paris - Stars Are Blind - The View - Wasted Little DJs - The Arctic Monkeys - Leave Before The Lights Come On 2007 - The View - Same Jeans - Biffy Clyro - Saturday Superhouse - The Arctic Monkeys - Brianstorm - Travis - Closer - The Manic Street Preachers - Your Love Alone Is Not Enough - Biffy Clyro - Living Is A Problem Because Everything - The White Stripes - Icky Thump - Lee Mead - Any Dream Will Do - The Dykeenies - Clean Up Your Eyes - Amy McDonald - Mr Rock & Roll - Shayne Ward - No U Hang Up/If That's OK With You - Runrig ft Tartan Army - Loch Lomond
March 2, 201510 yr No. I just assumed Wet Wet Wet were #1 for all those weeks. Not possible as Wet Wet Wet wasn't even released in April 1994. The 'week' in their database that appears to cover 24th April to 28th May is presumably the chart for w/e 28th May, and the previous 4 weeks are presumably not in the OCC database. Those four weeks in the UK were topped by Prince (his 2nd topping week), Toni Di Bart, Stiltskin and Man U. We know that Toni di Bart had already taken Prince's first week so I would predict he also took his second one. We also know that Wet Wet Wet had taken Man U's second week, and I don't suppose Man U have such a big following in Scotland, so I would predict that Man U also didn't get their first week in the Scottish chart, but as Wet Wet Wet had only just entered the UK chart during Man U's first topping week, and only at 4, I would guess that Stiltskin was probably still at number one for a second week in Scotland. On the off chance Stiltskin weren't so popular in Scotland then Toni di Bart may have even taken all 4 weeks. But all that would be guessing, so I would probably just indicate on the list that those weeks are as yet unknown.
March 3, 201510 yr I'm not sure if this has been mentioned, but the seemingly correct singles chart for week ending 10th July 1999 is included in the OCC archive! More background on this: And then the was the chart of 10 July 1999 which was missing sales data from Virgin and Our Price stores http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/393073.stm Eventually the OCC gave in to pressure and re-ran the chart but the re-run chart was never made public and all sides agreed in advance that the re-run chart should never be made public and that that it should remain confidential. Source The chart which was published in 1999 is on this page on UKMIX: http://www.ukmix.org/forums/viewtopic.php?p=387136#p387136 Here's the chart on Official Charts Company: http://www.officialcharts.com/charts/singles-chart/19990704/ A few differences with the new entries of that week: Red: Singles which were given a lower entry/peak position back in 1999 | Green: Singles which were given a higher entry/peak position Lolly 'Viva La Radio' [Revealed to be #6 in 1999, but should have been #7] Blur 'Coffee + TV' [No change in position - #11] Semisonic 'Secret Smile' [#13, #12] Melanie G 'Word Up' [#14, #13] Sporty Thievz 'No Pigeons' [#22, #16] Savage Garden 'The Animal Song' [#16, #18] Lauryn Hill 'Everything Is Everything' [#19, #20] Mase 'Get Ready' [#32, #25] Jungle Brothers 'VIP' [#33, #28] Celine Dion 'Treat Her Like A Lady' [#29, #31] Space Brothers 'Legacy (Show Me Love)' [#31, #32] Dwight Yoakam 'Crazy Little Thing Called Love' [#43, #35] Tina Cousins 'Forever' [#45, #38] Hole 'Awful' [#42, #39] Beautiful South 'The Table' [#47, #46] Hybrid 'Finished Symphony' [#58, #55] Friends of Matthew 'Out There' [#61, #63] Bachelor Girl 'Buses and Trains' [Not Top 75, #65] Roy Budd 'Get Carter' [#68, #66] Casino 'Only You' [#72, #74] Hurricane 1 'Remote Control' [Not Top 75, #75] Justice for Melanie G tbh! Anyway, should we take these OCC positions as their "new" peaks? Re: The BBC article, kind of funny that Blur were up in arms about it, but would have been #11 whatever chart was aired!
March 4, 201510 yr I'm not sure if this has been mentioned, but the seemingly correct singles chart for week ending 10th July 1999 is included in the OCC archive! Justice for Melanie G tbh! Anyway, should we take these OCC positions as their "new" peaks? Re: The BBC article, kind of funny that Blur were up in arms about it, but would have been #11 whatever chart was aired! Cool! This is really interesting. Thanks for posting this. I never realised the rerun chart was on the chart archive site! I remember the furore over this chart in '99 mainly by Blur's record company. Interesting that "Coffee and TV" still ended up at no11 anyway! Very interesting to see the differences between the published incorrect chart and the correct chart which has finally been made public some 16 years on. I remember Secret Smile was supposed to have been denied a Top 10 place by the glitch - as it turns out they missed out the Top 10 anyway! The big loser here is Dwight Yoakim who was denied of the Top 40 placing he should have rightfully had that week. As it turned out, he would never have a Top 40 hit ever again (and never had before), so missed out on his moment of glory of having his song played on the Top 40 by the chart mix-up that week. Also poor Tina Cousins! She should have had another Top 40 hit. And "Buses, Cars and Trains" was a great song and I remember it getting a lot of airplay at the time. I remember being confused when I realised it never made the top 75 when I first used Polyhex and thought it was never actually released in the UK. But now it turns out it made no65! Interesting, on the other hand, to see some of the demotions, like Celine Dion, Lauryn Hill & Savage Garden. Interesting question about whether these should be considered their proper new peaks -in my own opinion, they should but as far as officially, I don't know. Isn't it true that when there were similar mix-ups with the chart in '94 and '95 and the wrong chart was read out on the Sunday, a new chart was compiled some time during the week and this became the "proper chart" replacing the previous Sunday's chart. This never happened with the 1999 chart for whatever reason. Edited March 4, 201510 yr by donnahjaneymack
March 4, 201510 yr ISTR reading at the time that the OCC (or CIN as I think they still were at the time) agreed to rerun the chjart on the condition that it wasn't made public to protect confidentiality. I presume that was because it would've revealed Virgin/Our Price's market share but that seems rather moot now.
March 4, 201510 yr ISTR reading at the time that the OCC (or CIN as I think they still were at the time) agreed to rerun the chjart on the condition that it wasn't made public to protect confidentiality. I presume that was because it would've revealed Virgin/Our Price's market share but that seems rather moot now. Oh now I see why the '99 chart wasn't made public (whereas the 94/95 incorrect charts were). I suppose the incorrect charts for 94/95 hadn't been tracked down to a specific chain hence the charts could be recompiled and made public, but the '99 chart couldn't have been made public as Virgin/Our Price had been identified as the "culprit". And I don't think the 94/95 wrong charts were publicised as much as the '99 chart due to the furore over "Coffee and TV". Thanks for the info Hit Parade. :) Edited March 4, 201510 yr by donnahjaneymack
March 4, 201510 yr Cool! This is really interesting. Thanks for posting this. I never realised the rerun chart was on the chart archive site! I remember the furore over this chart in '99 mainly by Blur's record company. Interesting that "Coffee and TV" still ended up at no11 anyway! Very interesting to see the differences between the published incorrect chart and the correct chart which has finally been made public some 16 years on. I remember Secret Smile was supposed to have been denied a Top 10 place by the glitch - as it turns out they missed out the Top 10 anyway! The big loser here is Dwight Yoakim who was denied of the Top 40 placing he should have rightfully had that week. As it turned out, he would never have a Top 40 hit ever again (and never had before), so missed out on his moment of glory of having his song played on the Top 40 by the chart mix-up that week. Also poor Tina Cousins! She should have had another Top 40 hit. And "Buses, Cars and Trains" was a great song and I remember it getting a lot of airplay at the time. I remember being confused when I realised it never made the top 75 when I first used Polyhex and thought it was never actually released in the UK. But now it turns out it made no65! Interesting, on the other hand, to see some of the demotions, like Celine Dion, Lauryn Hill & Savage Garden. Interesting question about whether these should be considered their proper new peaks -in my own opinion, they should but as far as officially, I don't know. Isn't it true that when there were similar mix-ups with the chart in '94 and '95 and the wrong chart was read out on the Sunday, a new chart was compiled some time during the week and this became the "proper chart" replacing the previous Sunday's chart. This never happened with the 1999 chart for whatever reason. Chart of 10/12/94 is one I remember being wrong, and no mention of it was made by Bruno Brookes the following week!
March 4, 201510 yr Tina Cousins 'Forever' [#45, #38] LIVID :angry: Yeah this is also the biggest injustice for me, they included the song on Now 43 thinking it was going to be a hit (after Killing Time went top 20) but it so deserved top 40 at least. Instead it's a rare top 40 miss for the Now series. qy8bS03H8z8 :heart:
March 5, 201510 yr I'm not sure if this has been mentioned, but the seemingly correct singles chart for week ending 10th July 1999 is included in the OCC archive! More background on this: The chart which was published in 1999 is on this page on UKMIX: http://www.ukmix.org/forums/viewtopic.php?p=387136#p387136 Here's the chart on Official Charts Company: http://www.officialcharts.com/charts/singles-chart/19990704/ A few differences with the new entries of that week: Red: Singles which were given a lower entry/peak position back in 1999 | Green: Singles which were given a higher entry/peak position Lolly 'Viva La Radio' [Revealed to be #6 in 1999, but should have been #7] Blur 'Coffee + TV' [No change in position - #11] Semisonic 'Secret Smile' [#13, #12] Melanie G 'Word Up' [#14, #13] Sporty Thievz 'No Pigeons' [#22, #16] Savage Garden 'The Animal Song' [#16, #18] Lauryn Hill 'Everything Is Everything' [#19, #20] Mase 'Get Ready' [#32, #25] Jungle Brothers 'VIP' [#33, #28] Celine Dion 'Treat Her Like A Lady' [#29, #31] Space Brothers 'Legacy (Show Me Love)' [#31, #32] Dwight Yoakam 'Crazy Little Thing Called Love' [#43, #35] Tina Cousins 'Forever' [#45, #38] Hole 'Awful' [#42, #39] Beautiful South 'The Table' [#47, #46] Hybrid 'Finished Symphony' [#58, #55] Friends of Matthew 'Out There' [#61, #63] Bachelor Girl 'Buses and Trains' [Not Top 75, #65] Roy Budd 'Get Carter' [#68, #66] Casino 'Only You' [#72, #74] Hurricane 1 'Remote Control' [Not Top 75, #75] Justice for Melanie G tbh! Anyway, should we take these OCC positions as their "new" peaks? Re: The BBC article, kind of funny that Blur were up in arms about it, but would have been #11 whatever chart was aired!Thanks for spotting that the OCC have (presumably by mistake) included the revised chart for the 10 July 1999 in their new archive! I've updated the thread at ukmix with what you have posted above. I hope you don't mind me posting the differences with the new entries but I have thanked you for the list in my ukmix post!
March 5, 201510 yr Oh now I see why the '99 chart wasn't made public (whereas the 94/95 incorrect charts were). I suppose the incorrect charts for 94/95 hadn't been tracked down to a specific chain hence the charts could be recompiled and made public, but the '99 chart couldn't have been made public as Virgin/Our Price had been identified as the "culprit". And I don't think the 94/95 wrong charts were publicised as much as the '99 chart due to the furore over "Coffee and TV". Thanks for the info Hit Parade. :)The error that led to the chart for 10 December 1994 being rerun was caused by problems in getting computers at several branches of Woolworths to provide sales data for Saturday 3 December 1994. Although the error was caused solely by problems with Woolworths, CIN decided to make the revised chart official. Perhaps because sales data provided by Woolworths for most of the week was correct publishing a revised chart didn't compromise confidentiality in the same way it would have done in 1999 when sales data for the whole of the week for both Virgin and Our Price was missing. The problems that affected the chart of 4 March 1995 and which led to a revised chart being compiled and published were due to data collection problems involving more than one chain of record shops so there was no problem in publishing a revised chart. Edited March 5, 201510 yr by Robbie
March 5, 201510 yr Chart of 10/12/94 is one I remember being wrong, and no mention of it was made by Bruno Brookes the following week! Maybe he was hoping no-one would notice! The error that led to the chart for 10 December 1994 being rerun was caused by problems in getting computers at several branches of Woolworths to provide sales data for Saturday 3 December 1994. Although the error was caused solely by problems with Woolworths, CIN decided to make the revised chart official. Perhaps because sales data provided by Woolworths for most of the week was correct publishing a revised chart didn't compromise confidentiality in the same way it would have done in 1999 when sales data for the whole of the week for both Virgin and Our Price was missing. The problems that affected the chart of 4 March 1995 and which led to a revised chart being compiled and published were due to data collection problems involving more than one chain of record shops so there was no problem in publishing a revised chart. That's very interesting Robbie about the circumstances re the 1994/95 chart, and why those charts were able to be made public but not the '99 chart, and your theories as to why the 94/95 charts were made public but not the 99 chart sounds spot on. It seems the incorrect '99 chart was due to a much larger volume of missing data. Am I right in thinking there was a similar "wrong chart" some time in early 1993, around February/March time? Maybe I'm imagining it. Edited March 5, 201510 yr by donnahjaneymack
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