Oh god you SERIOUSLY think that children should be smacked and the cane should be brought back? :puke2: My dad used to smack REALLY hard as a child when I did something wrong and did that make me 'learn my lesson'? No, it just hurt like hell and made me see what a complete w*nker he was for doing that to his child who he 'loves' :rolleyes: If a child does something wrong they need to be told it's wrong and depending on how you tell them and how the child reacts they'll eventually realise that, all smacking does is just scare the $h!t out of the them, it DOESN'T make them realise it's wrong. And WHY should teachers get the licence to smack children with a cane? most teachers I had thought they had 'power' over you anyway :rolleyes: You have to behave yourself otherwise you'll get into 'trouble', yes but they DEMAND respect when they don't give YOU any and they wonder why their pupils hate them -_- and giving them a bloody cane and smacking them hard with it because for things as minor as swearing is just stupid let alone the thought that a random 45 year old should be allowed to cane a 10 year old :puke2: Why should they be allowed to cane children when you don't 'know' them, you might as well legalise paedophilia if you think that's acceptable :puke2: All this kind of thing is ABUSE and doesn't tell anyone that what they do is wrong, these people shouldn't be allowed to be parents if they're so bad at bringing their kids up and love them so much that they can't think of any other way to tell their kids off then smacking them. :rolleyes:

I will give you an example of when I think it is acceptable

 

I was in the supermarket last Sunday stocking up for the week and there was this kid who was denied sweets (he must have been about 5) shouting and screaming and stamping his feet and calling his mum a b**ch etc, if that had been my child it would have got a firm smack on the backside from my partner as that kind of behaviour is not something that should be tolerated

I would have told him that no means no and that crying is not going to help him and then when I notice he's being a good boy then I would then get him some as a special treat and then he'll realise that crying will NOT get him what he wants. ^_^ So just because he decides to cry and shout insults that he shouldn't even know at that age (which shows possibly the problem the parent(s) might have) that that would give you the right to smack him? :blink:

Oh god you SERIOUSLY think that children should be smacked and the cane should be brought back? :puke2: My dad used to smack REALLY hard as a child when I did something wrong and did that make me 'learn my lesson'? No, it just hurt like hell and made me see what a complete w*nker he was for doing that to his child who he 'loves' :rolleyes: If a child does something wrong they need to be told it's wrong and depending on how you tell them and how the child reacts they'll eventually realise that, all smacking does is just scare the $h!t out of the them, it DOESN'T make them realise it's wrong. And WHY should teachers get the licence to smack children with a cane? most teachers I had thought they had 'power' over you anyway :rolleyes: You have to behave yourself otherwise you'll get into 'trouble', yes but they DEMAND respect when they don't give YOU any and they wonder why their pupils hate them -_- and giving them a bloody cane and smacking them hard with it because for things as minor as swearing is just stupid let alone the thought that a random 45 year old should be allowed to cane a 10 year old :puke2: Why should they be allowed to cane children when you don't 'know' them, you might as well legalise paedophilia if you think that's acceptable :puke2: All this kind of thing is ABUSE and doesn't tell anyone that what they do is wrong, these people shouldn't be allowed to be parents if they're so bad at bringing their kids up and love them so much that they can't think of any other way to tell their kids off then smacking them. :rolleyes:

 

Like I said in a previous post Nicky the only people who had anything to fear from the cane were those that set about to cause disruption and behave badly, 95% of people in my year never once got the cane and it was the same with other schools I went to, a dilligent, hard working, well behaved pupil has absolutely nothing to fear from the reintroduction of the cane, those that assault people, threaten people and so on have everything to fear and rightly so, schools do not need that type

 

I bet at least half of those with ASBO's would not have them had they been caned at school

 

Comparing the cane with paedophilia is with respect absurd, there was no undressing involved you kept your uniform on you at all times and the headmaster never physically touched anyone it was purely a ccase of a few lashings with a stick

 

Anyone who behaves in school and does not cause disruption has absolutely nothing to fear with regards to the cane because they would not get it

I side with Ozzy on this. I was smacked when I was a child, but only when I did something bad, and it never did me any long lasting harm. Yes, it hurts for a while, but that's very transient. I think parents who aren't able to raise their kids properly will do much more long lasting damage than parents who smack their children.

 

There is a major difference between beating a child to smacking them. Personally I'd draw the line on beating kids with a belt or a stick. If nothing else, I think that's when it becomes less about discipline and more about sadism.

 

I also agree there should be more discipline for chav kids. They literally get away with murder. There was a story in the news not so long about some guy who got shot by some after months of intimidation from them. A friend of mine was beaten up by them once and apart from two getting ASBOs they got off scot free. It isn't fair on decent people that become victims of these scumbags that those things they do go unpunished.

 

While I'm not sure about bringing back the cane, there should be more done to control kids in schools as well. The kids when I was at school got away with everything, and it isn't fair on other kids who want to learn having it disrupted.

 

I can kinda see both points of view on this, on the one hand it is not acceptable to go around whacking seven shades of sh!t out of a kid, but there IS a difference between a swift disciplining smack with the flat of the palm on the side of the head (aka the 'clip round the ear' which never did me any harm) or the discipline of the school cane and an all out assault - a BIG difference; and I cant help thinking that all stuff about the "Rights" of the child has actually achieved is to create a climate of utter disorder where fukkin' 12 year olds are going about selling Crack Cocaine on the streets of our cities which the Police seem totally incapable of actually doing anything about, not to mention teachers being assaulted, stabbed and raped by pupils. It aint right, and no amount of woolie minded, PC thinking can say it is, something has gone FAR wrong in our society over the past 15/20 years or so...

 

When I was a kid, you knew there was a line that you did not cross, simple as, these days kids are quite literally getting away with murder and assault and, sorry, but I cant help thinkng that a lot of it HAS to do with taking Corporal Punishment out of schools, it DID stop us from getting too out of order; the prospect of being sent to see "The Head" was something that actually filled us with a bit of dread and made us think twice before doing something really bad, but now you've got kids taking knives to school, selling drugs, something that my generation whould NEVER even conceive of. Now it's talk of 'random drug tests', 'CCTV' and 'metal detectors' being put into schools, I mean, WHAT THE FUKK????? :o Frankly, I'd rather see the cane or the strap come back than any of this sh!t... Someday we're gonna have our very own "Columbine" massacre then you'll all be screaming for some sort of discipline to come back to the classroom....

 

Bad parenting is a big part of it, that's for sure, but a lot of delinquent kids are coming from apparently 'well to do' families or middle-class families, it aint just the Chavs that are bringing up these Feral little b/astards...

 

It's a tricky call, it really is, but I think the State controls our lives enough, parents HAVE to be able to bring up their children as they see fit (within reason of course...) with minimal interference from the State...

How many of those with strong views have actually raised children?

How many of those with strong views have actually stood in font of a class of rowdy children?

 

I am NOT condoning corporal punishment.

I am NOT condoning hitting children.

 

..but you need to walk a few steps in the shoes of others to understand their views and actions

 

How many of those with strong views have actually raised children?

How many of those with strong views have actually stood in font of a class of rowdy children?

 

I am NOT condoning corporal punishment.

I am NOT condoning hitting children.

 

..but you need to walk a few steps in the shoes of others to understand their views and actions

 

Exactly, well put. As I said, the State needs to stop interfering so much in how parents bring up their kids. I mean, obviously there has to be safeguards to prevent abuse and there needs to be a dramatic overhaul of the Social Work system as well, because they aint getting it right either.

 

A good friend of mine teaches English and she absolutely HATED the idea of Corporal Punishment when she was a student teacher, but now after about six years of teaching in a fairly rough Comprehensive is beginning to see the other side of the argument....

 

I dont think any parent should be there child up, but where appropriate i see nothing wrong with smacking or tapping your child. I even feel it will probably do them more good in the long run. I also think that children who fail to discipline there children properly are doing the wrong think in my opinion! :lol:

I dont think any parent should be there child up, but where appropriate i see nothing wrong with smacking or tapping your child. I even feel it will probably do them more good in the long run. I also think that children who fail to discipline there children properly are doing the wrong think in my opinion! :lol:

 

I don't understand the last line?

I can't see how people who give/gave their child the belt can actually say they love the child, if they can do that. It's so much more worse than a smack.

Well, giving your child a tap/ light smack/ shouting at them/ reinforcing the bounderies of what is acceptable behaviour etc. is an essential part to a child's upbringing, as it was in mine and i feel that parents who let there children run wild without discipline are very much in the wrong! are st

Well, giving your child a tap/ light smack/ shouting at them/ reinforcing the bounderies of what is acceptable behaviour etc. is an essential part to a child's upbringing, as it was in mine and i feel that parents who let there children run wild without discipline are very much in the wrong! are st

 

It's not essential, it's your opinion...

 

I won't let mine run wild but I certainly won't smack them. I'll bring them up properly, telling them right and wrong from a young age.

 

Also, shouting at them is wrong because that confuses them, you should tell them what they are doing is wrong, and why it is wrong.

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Well, that's fair enough!

 

All i'm saying is tho, i hate seeing these teenage yobbos who make peoples lives a misery and there parents dont care as long as they're not cluttering up the house! It's so obvious that lack of discipline has caused this behaviour, and that fact that they have no sense of bounderies and are totally out of control.

 

If i thought a light smack would stop this unacceptable behaviour, i would most certainly do it!

Well, that's fair enough!

 

All i'm saying is tho, i hate seeing these teenage yobbos who make peoples lives a misery and there parents dont care as long as they're not cluttering up the house! It's so obvious that lack of discipline has caused this behaviour, and that fact that they have no sense of bounderies and are totally out of control.

 

If i thought a light smack would stop this unacceptable behaviour, i would most certainly do it!

 

Not always though. What about if they were bought up normally then got into the bad crowd etc...?

At least you're saying light smack, not the cane, lol.

Ooh no me doesn't think canings neccesarry! I'm only 19 but at school a couple of years back we were all being relly naughty in our class! Our teacher was really old school, so to shut us up she ran in the cupboard pulled this huge cane out and whacked it on the table in front of this girls hand! It didn't hit her mind, but it was hilarious, all dust was flying off it and everything!! One of me fave school memories was that...ah...

Ooh no me doesn't think canings neccesarry! I'm only 19 but at school a couple of years back we were all being relly naughty in our class! Our teacher was really old school, so to shut us up she ran in the cupboard pulled this huge cane out and whacked it on the table in front of this girls hand! It didn't hit her mind, but it was hilarious, all dust was flying off it and everything!! One of me fave school memories was that...ah...

 

:o dangerous though, what if it had hit her?

 

My science teacher whacked a snooker stick thing right next to me (I wasn't even talking) and it made me jump so much.

I think he left now anyway, he really stank of poo. Why do 99% of teachers smell really bad??

 

Why did she even have a cane in her cupboard lol?

I think he left now anyway, he really stank of poo. Why do 99% of teachers smell really bad??

 

Ah yes and doggy breath too!

 

Ooh we didn't go to the same school did we? Once i was laughing in the corridor, and this teacher called me over and was shouting at me for not having my jumper on, while he was shouting i turned around and her smacked me on the hand cos i wasn't paying him full attention! ooh it smarted like hell it did! I didn't report him tho, i took my punishment like a man and got my own sweet revenge at a later date! :P

I think it's VILE. There are SO many different methods to bringing up your kids in a decent, respectful way, so why the hell smack? It's disgusting.

See what he did there Anthony was against the law. You're not allowed to touch a student. That was a rediculous reason too, not having your jumper on, and you turn around whilst he shouts and he smacks your hand? God!

 

Sounds like my school though, there were/are terrible teachers. A couple were perverts and got the sack. Others hit kids, my mentor got sacked coz he hit a girl in the face! If teachers can't deal with the stress, they shouldn't be a teacher...

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