Congrats to Bré for another win! And also to Yu for a very well run contest and snatching that elusive 2nd place at last!

Well done to Bré! An utterly fabulous winner and a song that i have been replaying like crazy since you first shared it with me. Whether it would have won without the iconique video is just a matter is semantics :) I am also really happy with 14th, despite not getting a lot of VERY high scores and mainly achieving that through trickle points~

 

As i have said on repeat now, this has become my favourite contest in terms of the MUSIC. Thank you Yu for making it flow so wonderfully too. While i will bash you for having such late results that i missed completely, i am sure they went without any mishaps AND you managed to get your gym session in before it, which is the priority! :D

 

Gotta be honest I'm not really a fan of the 18 point system, there's too much going on and for last place to get 130+ points is a bit ridiculous. I still like the idea of a bigger final though, and this contest's table looks absolutely fine under the 12 point system!

I am afraid i will have to agree with this, having now seen it put in practice. I was a bit dubious about it before (mainly for stats), but the 12 point system results that Bré has posted are still very much in line with what we used to get (a winner getting ~200 points and last place ~50 points) so it'd be nice to actually go back to that :( I realise that probably won't happen but this was hard to follow in terms of point exchanges and it was quite frantic because of that. I hope there is mod discussion happening behind the scenes in light of this contest whether there are plans to change or not~

I think I actually preferred the 18 point system as it did seem much more unpredictable as well as allow us to reward more songs, I think the franticness did come in part from the rapid speed of results so it may be easier to follow next time.

 

That said I can see the argument for the 12 point system producing similar results. I'm torn but I'm swaying towards preferring the 18 point system for now.

I think the 18 point system was a good idea to try out but, after seeing that the 12 point system still creates the normal results, I don't think it is really needed no matter how much I struggled to cut the countries down to 15 never mind 10 again.

There are some issues with the 18 point system (i.e. buggering up the stats beyond recognition (0 )(0 ) and it does feel a little bit OFF that last place scored over 130 points) but I think the benefits outweigh them, it makes sense to vote for more songs when the final itself is much larger - see how many people this month still had several commiserations even with a top 15. In terms of the impact on the results it seems apparent that the 12 point system is more favourable to the more niche entries (e.g. Unovia/Syndare although there are some weird outliers as well like Bignia-Zaragovina), but otherwise it's largely the same results but with smaller numbers. Not sure whether that's good or bad tbh. Was 'Drip Drop' more popular than 'Dynamite'? The 12 point system says so and yet the 18 point system has 'Dynamite' miles ahead as it had much wider appeal but with fewer massive fans. Also re: people saying it makes the results hard to follow / take in, I think that's a problem with the other system as well, you're never going to be able to pay attention to 40 songs simultaneously ~

 

I do get to keep the points record pretty much forever if the system is dropped though so I won't complain.

I prefer the 18 point system purely because it means I get to give more points out, which can only be a good thing when the quality of BJSC is as good as it is now. It would feel very odd to have 10+ songs that I like still missing out on points :drama:

^ you can still enjoy the same amount of songs, just not reflect that in the points which i don't think is too bad a thing.

 

There are some issues with the 18 point system (i.e. buggering up the stats beyond recognition (0 )(0 ) and it does feel a little bit OFF that last place scored over 130 points) but I think the benefits outweigh them, it makes sense to vote for more songs when the final itself is much larger - see how many people this month still had several commiserations even with a top 15. In terms of the impact on the results it seems apparent that the 12 point system is more favourable to the more niche entries (e.g. Unovia/Syndare although there are some weird outliers as well like Bignia-Zaragovina), but otherwise it's largely the same results but with smaller numbers. Not sure whether that's good or bad tbh. Was 'Drip Drop' more popular than 'Dynamite'? The 12 point system says so and yet the 18 point system has 'Dynamite' miles ahead as it had much wider appeal but with fewer massive fans. Also re: people saying it makes the results hard to follow / take in, I think that's a problem with the other system as well, you're never going to be able to pay attention to 40 songs simultaneously ~

 

I do get to keep the points record pretty much forever if the system is dropped though so I won't complain.

'Dynamite' was more popular because it had more people voting for it :magic:

 

Last place in this contest got more than some of the top 10 songs in the last contest. THINK OF THE STATS PEOPLE!!!1 (and this just makes dnq'ing like 100x worse eek)

That's a very true point about DNQ'ing with this system Haus. If you have two consecutive DNQ's under the 18 point system you'd be completely screwed when it comes to clawing back a respectable finish in the YTD's.

I will be posting a sales-only version of the YTD don't worry (as much as I will miss my 149 streaming sales). Might even make it the main version.

That's a very true point about DNQ'ing with this system Haus. If you have two consecutive DNQ's under the 18 point system you'd be completely screwed when it comes to clawing back a respectable finish in the YTD's.

...which could in turn lead to a whole shift in what people send, and people not wanting to be as daring / just play it safe all the time to secure a q because once you make the final you're almost guaranteed big points this way.

I think having either a 12 or 18 point system should really depend on how many people actually participate. It would be hard enough just choosing ten and I feel as though choosing a higher number could enable others to check out the other entries in full.

 

Weird seeing that my song wasn't affected that much with Bre's calculations lol

I vastly prefer the 12 point system because the 18 point system messes up the stats etc. and it's harder to keep track of hosting-wise. I like being able to vote for more songs but when last place nabs 130 points it just feels wrong.

Two separate EOY charts for 18 point system and 12 point system sounds very good tbh. I'd prefer to keep the 1BF anyway, it's more representative of popularity imo and it gives me the chance to vote for songs that would usually just miss out on my votes

I think having either a 12 or 18 point system should really depend on how many people actually participate. It would be hard enough just choosing ten and I feel as though choosing a higher number could enable others to check out the other entries in full.

 

Weird seeing that my song wasn't affected that much with Bre's calculations lol

It's not really "harder" to choose ten in either system, because surely you'd have the same top 10 whether you were giving points to 10, 20 or 40 songs? :P (i get what you're saying, all the 12 point system means is that you don't get to award points to as many countries, but as long as you still listen and enjoy them, surely that's praise enough).

 

(I support the big final most definitely - more entries should equal more countries qualifying, just a little unsure on how we score in the final)

I'd prefer to keep the 1BF anyway, it's more representative of popularity imo and it gives me the chance to vote for songs that would usually just miss out on my votes

Agreed. It seems less intimidating as well.

That's a very true point about DNQ'ing with this system Haus. If you have two consecutive DNQ's under the 18 point system you'd be completely screwed when it comes to clawing back a respectable finish in the YTD's.

...which could in turn lead to a whole shift in what people send, and people not wanting to be as daring / just play it safe all the time to secure a q because once you make the final you're almost guaranteed big points this way.

It bothers me to think anyone would be that affected by a change in the points system. There are valid concerns about the shift to 18, and I don't have a strong opinion one way or the other but surely the stats should be secondary and we shouldn't be placing so much importance on them? I'd like to think people are more interested in sending songs that they love and wouldn't let a change in the points system affect what entries they're sending. Are people really that obsessed with YTD glory? I hope not, but maybe it's true.

I don't think it's gonna make a huge difference to DNQ anyway? It's all just scaled up. If you DNQ, you'll have a larger deficit to catch back up, but equally, the points totals are larger anyway so it's easier *to* catch up.

 

Not sure how well I explained that :lol:

It bothers me to think anyone would be that affected by a change in the points system. There are valid concerns about the shift to 18, and I don't have a strong opinion one way or the other but surely the stats should be secondary and we shouldn't be placing so much importance on them? I'd like to think people are more interested in sending songs that they love and wouldn't let a change in the points system affect what entries they're sending. Are people really that obsessed with YTD glory? I hope not, but maybe it's true.

 

To be fair I also don't actually care that much personally (I was just thinking out loud), but Haus makes a good point that those who are bothered about YTD glory may play it a bit safer to try and avoid a DNQ. I've never really tried to play it safe personally so it won't change what I do whatever system we use. I love seeing riskier stuff entered so hopefully it continues to thrive, especially with the impressive Persephonia/Unovia results this month!

To be fair I also don't actually care that much personally (I was just thinking out loud), but Haus makes a good point that those who are bothered about YTD glory may play it a bit safer to try and avoid a DNQ. I've never really tried to play it safe personally so it won't change what I do whatever system we use. I love seeing riskier stuff entered so hopefully it continues to thrive, especially with the impressive Persephonia/Unovia results this month!

 

Poor H Kamhla :(

 

Those who are that bothered about YTD glory would be the type who generally avoid riskier entries anyway I'd have thought! I kind of get Bal's point here but I don't think that's likely to be an issue in practice, I suppose we'll see if we do keep the system and risky entries stop being sent but I don't see that happening. Personally I'm hoping that the very inspired and different sounding top 3 this month (let's not forget Daehun's song was a Finnish language ballad, not quite as off the wall as A-WA and Courtney Barnett but still something a little different to the standard 'safe' entry!) will ENCOURAGE people to go more inspired for BJSC75 at least. Mainly because I don't want to be stuck with something as shit and generic as 'In Your Arms' winning my contest again (no offence James :kink:)

 

In other news Mazoo And The Zoo have been announced as the official mascots for Perseventyfive to recognise the inspiration they provided us for LXXIV.