Liz Kendall's message is look left, look right and cross? I thought that was Yvette's.

The difference now compared to pretty much any time in the last 30 years is that all wings of the party are set on doing "what works" - the trouble is that no one can agree on what would.

Liz Kendall's message is look left, look right and cross? I thought that was Yvette's.

 

No, but it is that she's too scared to have any positions on anything that are distinctive from the Conservatives, except on the EU. Which like the Lib Dems would mean Labour have nothing interesting to say and just get dismissed as irrelevant.

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She's the only candidate so far who's condemned the Tories' planned changes to trade union laws.

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:lol: Whats this reaction lol?

She's the only candidate so far who's condemned the Tories' planned changes to trade union laws.

It's hardly like any of them DON'T oppose it.

This Cooper character is the first candidate to cross the border. She's coming to Glasgow to ask former Labour voters why they switched to the SNP. If she can handle Glasgow (Ian Gray hid in a sandwich shop infamously in 2011) and actually understand and address what is brought up then she may stand a chance of winning back some voters.

It's hardly like any of them DON'T oppose it.

Obviously, I was more making the point that she isn't the caricature the left of the party are making out. And that she made the point the second the plans were announced, rather than just having it as a requisite answer in a Q&A.

Obviously, I was more making the point that she isn't the caricature the left of the party are making out. And that she made the point the second the plans were announced, rather than just having it as a requisite answer in a Q&A.

 

If supporting the basic right to strike is now a mark of how someone is "left-wing" then that says a lot.

 

Where are the differences between Blair Witch Project and the Tories on welfare, public spending, privatisation of public services, taxes, general help for the poor, business/market regulation, etc.?

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If supporting the basic right to strike is now a mark of how someone is "left-wing" then that says a lot.

 

Where are the differences between Blair Witch Project and the Tories on welfare, public spending, privatisation of public services, taxes, general help for the poor, business regulation, etc.?

Actively arguing in favour of the right wasn't really something Blair et al made a habit of, even if they did support the principle.

 

Still, sexist characterisations aside, I wouldn't really be able to answer most of those questions in the same way I wouldn't be able to answer it for all of the candidates so far - generally they've only said things that would answer one or two of those (Yvette (presumably) on welfare and childcare spending, Andy on private involvement in the NHS, and Liz on early years and defence spending). Which isn't too surprising for a four month campaign.

Still, sexist characterisations aside,

 

Lol, juvenile yes but hardly sexist. Is calling a man a "prat" also sexist? Just because an insult is only used to describe one gender, that doesn't mean the insult is because of their gender.

 

 

I wouldn't really be able to answer most of those questions in the same way I wouldn't be able to answer it for all of the candidates so far - generally they've only said things that would answer one or two of those (Yvette (presumably) on welfare and childcare spending, Andy on private involvement in the NHS, and Liz on early years and defence spending). Which isn't too surprising for a four month campaign.

 

Not sure what's meant by "early years", but I'm not sure being more in favour of wars than the Tories is going to be a particularly good argument to be LABOUR leader.

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Cooper starting to win me over now moreso than Burnham, she seems passionate and I like how she attacked Kendall on ideology.

Cooper starting to win me over now moreso than Burnham, she seems passionate and I like how she attacked Kendall on ideology.

 

Same, ironically the fact she's got a reputation as a "centrist" might mean she actually has some freedom to have some mildly left-leaning policies. Burnham looks like he'd just be another Miliband (so utterly paranoid about being seen as "left-wing" that he moves endlessly to the right on policy in a futile attempt to shut up the critics).

Yeh they are all the same tho - party loyalists so might just go with cooper - she has experience and it would nice to see a woman leader bar Kendall who makes me suspicious of her motives after liking her under miliband!

Comprehensive overview of whos suppoerting who in the leadership contest. Alot of former Balls supporters siding with Cooper this time and David Milliband supporters going with Kendall.

 

http://labourlist.org/2015/06/whos-backing...leader-in-2010/

http://www.newstatesman.com/politics/2015/...separate-tories

 

Another point to Burnham. I should really keep a tally of these things, I'm also becoming torn between him and Cooper.

Lol, juvenile yes but hardly sexist. Is calling a man a "prat" also sexist? Just because an insult is only used to describe one gender, that doesn't mean the insult is because of their gender.

Not sure what's meant by "early years", but I'm not sure being more in favour of wars than the Tories is going to be a particularly good argument to be LABOUR leader.

Defence spending doesn't imply attack spending.

 

Early years - focus on spending on SureStart, preschool and nursery years, where inequalities really get started.

 

And no - even if prat were a totally male-exclusive term, it's hardly as damaging given men being systematically demonised for their gender alone (in and out of politics), uh, isn't really and hasn't ever been a thing.

Jeremy Corbyn is standing as a left candidate. I hope he makes the ballot!

Good to see, sort of feel people like him and Diane are puppets in the labour leadership elections now, I'm sure MI5 will be opening his file again this evening!

I really hope he makes it on. Won't necessarily first preference him, but I'm sick of a minority of the party controlling the argument.