Westminster voting intention:

 

CON: 49% (-)

LAB: 34% (+8)

LDEM: 7% (-6)

GRN: 3% (+2)

UKIP: 2% (-2)

 

(via @IpsosMORI)

 

This must be the highest % the two main parties have had since either 1987 or 1992!?

We really have gone from what was looking to be a multi-party country right back down to a two-party country (plus SNP) in just two years! I think I did see that it was the highest for the Top 2 since the 1980s. The figure for the Tories is ridiculously impressive and its easy to disregard Labour's percentage because of that, when it is very high too.

 

Its all just very embarrassing for the Lib Dems who really should have improved quite a lot from the last election but, to me, their policies are just a desperate grasp at votes.

Told you Corbyn was popular!! His rallies and social media grassroots show it.

 

No wonder the elite were ao scared of him and started this undemocratic and historic media campaign against him from day 1.

Edited May 18, 20178 yr by Yeasty Clutch

I don't think Corbyn is popular at all, he's just now picking up the realistic option as anti-Tory vote.

 

Also I'm so content looking at that and seeing UKIP down to 2% *.*

Imagine if the media barons hadn't attacked him like that and if we had an independent media not controlled by vested interests. He'd be polling up there with Mad May.

We really have gone from what was looking to be a multi-party country right back down to a two-party country (plus SNP) in just two years! I think I did see that it was the highest for the Top 2 since the 1980s. The figure for the Tories is ridiculously impressive and its easy to disregard Labour's percentage because of that, when it is very high too.

 

Its all just very embarrassing for the Lib Dems who really should have improved quite a lot from the last election but, to me, their policies are just a desperate grasp at votes.

The biggest problem for the Lib Dems is getting noticed. The BBC have ignored them a lot of the time and I suspect most of the press has been even worse. It doesn't really matter what their policies are if most people don't know about them.

It would take PR or a true democratic system to have a party plurality again.

 

FPTP lends itself to undemocratic two party/ one party systems.

The biggest problem for the Lib Dems is getting noticed. The BBC have ignored them a lot of the time and I suspect most of the press has been even worse. It doesn't really matter what their policies are if most people don't know about them.

 

They have given them a lot of airtime imo for a party with only 7/8 seats!

They have given them a lot of airtime imo for a party with only 7/8 seats!

I must have missed it. Their coverage on the Today programme, for example, has not been enough to be called minimal. This morning, yet again, the party wasn't mentioned at all in the hour that I listened to.

If current polling bears out, the Lib Dems could even lose seats from 2015. Farron's position would surely be untenable, but who replaced him would obviously depend on which MPs they retained. Greg Mulholland seems more likely than most to keep his seat in Leeds but I don't know a lot about him.

Farron should shut up about Brexit and a second referendum. As Nuttall told him last night, the people voted to leave and it's happening and there isn't going to be a second referendum. Talk about flogging a deadhorse.

The people also voted to stay, or is 48% not included in our definition of 'the people' now? And what about the young people who couldn't vote, who tip 80-20 remain? :)

Farron should shut up about Brexit and a second referendum. As Nuttall told him last night, the people voted to leave and it's happening and there isn't going to be a second referendum. Talk about flogging a deadhorse.

Nutjob has his own idea of exactly what the 52% voted for. Mayhem, in her desperation to rebrand the Tories as UKIP Mark II, now agrees with him although she said the exact opposite a year ago. There is no clear evidence of what sort of deal the 52% expected. Therefore, it is perfectly reasonable to say that there should be a second referendum once the terms are known. Not so long ago, Boris Johnson was saying exactly the same thing.

They have given them a lot of airtime imo for a party with only 7/8 seats!

 

Not nearly as much as UKIP get coverage who are now officially dead forever. Most people have no idea who Tim Farron is because they have been utterly ignored for 2 years. That's deliberate - look at today's fawning lying front pages for the Tories. They only give Labour coverage when they are demonising Corbyn. With the Libdems they dont get mentioned, ever, and dont get the "go-to" quotes like UKIP nutters by journalists looking for a headline.

Farron should shut up about Brexit and a second referendum. As Nuttall told him last night, the people voted to leave and it's happening and there isn't going to be a second referendum. Talk about flogging a deadhorse.

 

It's called democracy - once we see what rubbish deal we have been given (bear in mind May is lying through her teeth) it makes total sense for the population to have the final say over whether they want it or not. What was promised in the referendum is NOT what is being delivered. the polls suggest there would stil be overwhelming support for leaving, so why is the Leave side so frightened of the population being asked again? bear in mind that is EXACTLY what Farage wanted - when he thought he'd lost the vote he was already demanding another vote.

 

Hypocrite that he is.

I must have missed it. Their coverage on the Today programme, for example, has not been enough to be called minimal. This morning, yet again, the party wasn't mentioned at all in the hour that I listened to.

 

We must watch/listen to different shows they generally get coverage on BBC and channel4!

If current polling bears out, the Lib Dems could even lose seats from 2015. Farron's position would surely be untenable, but who replaced him would obviously depend on which MPs they retained. Greg Mulholland seems more likely than most to keep his seat in Leeds but I don't know a lot about him.

 

If Farron is re-elected he should stay on. This is clearly a difficult rebuilding job which won't be fixed for 20 years not 2 years. A bit like Jo Grimonds leadership in the 50s!

The LibDems in this election decided on a daft strategy, and made it worse by picking a frontman totally unsuited to the strategy. All the talk of "the 48%" ever since the referendum completely overlooked that, for a substantial chunk of that 48%, it was only a borderline "head over heart" decision - and that, even for the chunk who really did feel passionate about it, it was going to be overruled by other issues once an actual General Election came into view.

 

I would guess an "Ultra-Remain" election strategy would've had a ceiling of about 15% if they'd picked an appropriate frontman like Clegg, but they're going to fall short even of that, since a lot of that 15% probably didn't think much of Tim's musings about the sinfulness or otherwise of gay sex.

Edited May 19, 20178 yr by Danny

It's called democracy - once we see what rubbish deal we have been given (bear in mind May is lying through her teeth) it makes total sense for the population to have the final say over whether they want it or not. What was promised in the referendum is NOT what is being delivered. the polls suggest there would stil be overwhelming support for leaving, so why is the Leave side so frightened of the population being asked again? bear in mind that is EXACTLY what Farage wanted - when he thought he'd lost the vote he was already demanding another vote.

 

Hypocrite that he is.

 

 

Elections and referendums cost millions that can be used much better. Whatever Brexit we get the majority voted to leave and am sure will be happy once we're out. I trust May and Davis to negotiate the best deal possible but we may have to compromise and can't expect the EU to just roll over and give us exactly what we want. I don't really care what sort of Brexit we get so long as we're out in two years and everyone I speak to who voted out feels the same.

52% is not the be and end all. It is the tiniest of majorities, not enough to force constitutional change, and we should have more say. This time, drop the stupid campaigns and let people make their own minds up without the press shoving its oars in or Nazo Farage using Nazi propaganda and pretending he is not the elite.