It would have been more helpful if you'd provided the URL yourself. I assume this was it?

 

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/jere...d-over-11630864

 

http://survation.com/labour-extends-pollin...-conservatives/

 

Would it surprise you to know that the Mail reported on this poll?

You are as OTT with your rhetoric as ever though - 'landed gentry toff government' - anyone would think you were channeling Marx or Lenin! :lol:

 

how about privately educated from rich families Tory party then? Still largely correct. Number of Cabinet Tories going to Comprehensive Schools? Please feel free to supply a figure. Rounded up or down to the nearest 5 will do :P

how about privately educated from rich families Tory party then? Still largely correct. Number of Cabinet Tories going to Comprehensive Schools? Please feel free to supply a figure. Rounded up or down to the nearest 5 will do :P

 

20 +/- 5 iro the first question.

 

It's not as if every member of the shadow cabinet are free of the 'taint' of private education, though...

 

From Wiki,

 

Corbyn was educated at Castle House School, an independent preparatory school near Newport, Shropshire, before attending Adams' Grammar School as a day student.

20 +/- 5 iro the first question.

 

It's not as if every member of the shadow cabinet are free of the 'taint' of private education, though...

 

From Wiki,

 

Corbyn was educated at Castle House School, an independent preparatory school near Newport, Shropshire, before attending Adams' Grammar School as a day student.

 

51% of MP's went to Comprehensive, 45% of Tories were privately educated (and another 20% or so Grammar Schools, it would seem), 10% of MP's went to Eton.

 

Or in other words the Conservative Party is still the party of wealth and privilege, and continues to attract people determined to not rock that particular boat. Resigning members today of both parties from a social mobility board seems to suggest that T. May's speechifying about helping the less needy is just the usual Tory Bullshit.

 

These are facts, I'm afraid, but feel free to list anything they have done to help the poor since Brexit, or more particularly since the LibDems (the social conscience of the Cameron government) were annihilated.

51% of MP's went to Comprehensive, 45% of Tories were privately educated (and another 20% or so Grammar Schools, it would seem), 10% of MP's went to Eton.

 

Or in other words the Conservative Party is still the party of wealth and privilege, and continues to attract people determined to not rock that particular boat. Resigning members today of both parties from a social mobility board seems to suggest that T. May's speechifying about helping the less needy is just the usual Tory Bullshit.

 

These are facts, I'm afraid, but feel free to list anything they have done to help the poor since Brexit, or more particularly since the LibDems (the social conscience of the Cameron government) were annihilated.

 

The grandees of the Tory party are elitist, but certainly not everyone who votes for them.

Survation do seem to be registering a higher Labour vote than other pollsters at the moment. Whether they are more or less accurate than their rivals - who knows?

There's no way of knowing, most other polls seem to be more or less neck-and-neck on 40% each or with Labour slightly ahead so I refuse to believe these outliers at the moment, even though Survation did very well at the GE. It's kind of irrelevant anyway because there won't be another general election until June 2022... well, that's the plan anyway! :lol:

There's no way of knowing, most other polls seem to be more or less neck-and-neck on 40% each or with Labour slightly ahead so I refuse to believe these outliers at the moment, even though Survation did very well at the GE. It's kind of irrelevant anyway because there won't be another general election until June 2022... well, that's the plan anyway! :lol:

 

...but Rees-Sproggs is sharpening his knife right now and Northern Ireland could be the political shock to trigger another one. Meanwhile May gets to do the dirty work and they think they can just bring a very Right-wing new broom with very hard bristles once she's deposed. Of course the handle might drop off at the slightest touch... :lol:

There's no way of knowing, most other polls seem to be more or less neck-and-neck on 40% each or with Labour slightly ahead so I refuse to believe these outliers at the moment, even though Survation did very well at the GE. It's kind of irrelevant anyway because there won't be another general election until June 2022... well, that's the plan anyway! :lol:

 

The other polls are Westminster stooges within the Tory bubble.

 

Sorry, Vidcapper, they are the party descended from the Landed Gentry. Capitalism is feudalism rebranded.

The other polls are Westminster stooges within the Tory bubble.

 

What a nonsensical statement - if the 2017 GE proves anything, it is that polls are meaningless if they don't accurately measure public opinion!

 

Sorry, Vidcapper, they are the party descended from the Landed Gentry. Capitalism is feudalism rebranded.

 

Almost everyone will be descended from the Landed Gentry if you back far enough, so that particular point is moot.

 

Also, if capitalism is so bad, how come western countries build walls to keep others out, while socialist countries build them to keep people in?

The other polls are Westminster stooges within the Tory bubble.

 

Sorry, Vidcapper, they are the party descended from the Landed Gentry. Capitalism is feudalism rebranded.

Please stop.

Please stop.

 

Seconded.

Seconded.

You're just as bad.

You're just as bad.

 

I like to think I post more politely...

Sorry, these latest two polls slipped by me :

 

http://ukpollingreport.co.uk/

ICM also recently gave the Conservatives a 2 point lead, however they did predict a 96 majority back in June (1 day before the GE) and had the Conservatives on a 12-point lead so I am massively sceptical of their polling which has been pretty woeful.

 

YouGov are generally better, but of course were still underestimating Labour at the 2017 GE.

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ICM also recently gave the Conservatives a 2 point lead, however they did predict a 96 majority back in June (1 day before the GE) and had the Conservatives on a 12-point lead so I am massively sceptical of their polling which has been pretty woeful.

 

YouGov are generally better, but of course were still underestimating Labour at the 2017 GE.

 

Fair points, but we don't know if they've changed their methodology since?

Wasn't there a new method that YouGov used before the election which predicted a hung parliament? And everyone dismissed it?

Even the establishment polling companies are now giving Labou a lead!!

 

This is the beginning of the Tories being out of power for a generation.

Even the establishment polling companies are now giving Labou a lead!!

 

This is the beginning of the Tories being out of power for a generation.

 

You didn't believe them when they said the Tories had a huge lead (and indeed that lead proved an illusion), so what has changed for you to believe them when they say what *you* want to hear?

 

Either way it is moot, because only a vote of no confidence can bring down a gov't early - and the opposition don't have the numbers to do that.

I would say there wont be an election until after the negotiations now and itll be tight because people are polarised along labour/tory lines and brexit/single market lines so its a complex picture plus Corbyn leads a lot more middle England voters to swing certain ways!!