Oh no, you switched from Cooper to Corbyn just as I came on board with her? :(

Oh no, you switched from Cooper to Corbyn just as I came on board with her? :(

Not at all. Not voted yet but he's still getting my 3rd as it stands.

I think I'm at the acceptance stage for our new Corbynite overlords. I mean it's going to be dreadful and the Labour Party will be feared for years (I mean, imagine if New Labour had had to try and do what it did in 1997 with Benn having actually become leader rather than just always seeming a step away from becoming leader in the 80s), but at the very least with the impending Chinese depression the hard Keynesian in me can go anti-austerity again. And campaigning for Corbyn won't really be that different to campaigning for Ed, given it'll be an eternal case of changing the subject to something nicer on the doorstep with Corbyn too. And it'll be fun to be culturally cool for once, even if I'll be dying inside every time someone responds enthusiastically to finding out I'm Labour.

I think we all know by now that it will be a clear Corbyn victory but I actually think this is what the Labour Party needs to gain sense again and go back to the center like the Conservatives picked IDS then Cameron as a centrist leader. Corbyn undoubtedly be a disaster; He has no leadership skills or experience in cabinet. His policies are basically his own values that he has kept all his life, there is no way it will work with the general public at hand. I can not see Corbyn being the Labour candidate for PM at 2020, it is just not going to happen.

 

On another note, this whole process and the elections has been a mess; First Corbyn should have never been selected, It should have a requirement that you have to be a member for 3 months before you get to vote in elections, vigorous vetting to weed out people who have ill intentions etc.

Edited August 25, 20159 yr by Kieran.

I mean that rigorous vetting is happening now, it's just pissing off people who didn't read the small print.

I see Corbyn's latest brainwave is to segregate women on trains. This must shortly be followed, using the same logic, by black-only carriages, and gay-only carriages, unless he's of the view that minorities don't get the same amount of public abuse that women get. Personally, I'll take wolf-whistling aimed at myself, or someone saying to me "nice arse" (which are the majority of types of reported cases) any day to "are you queer or something?" "batty boy" or other jollities (which men don't bother reporting, cos you know, it won't change anything and it's not worth wasting tax payer time and money on).

 

Corbyn is living in some bizarre 1950's world that bears no reality to practical modern life. I'm going to keep on saying it: he's making policies up as he goes along, with little thought, no experience. I would expect he would have been rather opposed a society which introduces segregation of any sorts and is in favour of equality. One thing Blair had over him apparently, unless he's of the mindset that equality legislation was another New Labour disaster and we should return to the good old days....

I know quite a lot of women who are in favour of it. Personally I'm unsure it's the right solution but it's not like women wouldn't be allowed anywhere else on the train.

I'm sure there are, it's being discussed on radio 2 just now, but it's the whole "women as victims" issue that annoys me. It's harassment to some women, it's a minor annoyance to others who would just turn round and say "f*** off" (and I quote women I work with). Most victims of serious violence in public are men, statistically. If anyone's been in the vicinity of drunken hen night parties women are just as capable of sexual harassment but men would just laugh it off, for the most part.

 

For me equality is equality, it's not selective because someone feels intimidated in public situations, and I wouldnt be any more in favour of gay-only public transport even though I've had death-threats, name-calls, insults far far worse than women get. Also, don't forget the poor transgender person who was murdered on the underground, pushed in front of a train by a complete stranger. A woman. Not all women are victims. Not all men are potential harassers.

 

If women were being targeted with violence (and men weren't) then I could see an argument for it...

What happens to trans people is an issue which would have to be sorted out if this became policy, obviously.

 

Men are more likely to be victims of violence because men are far, far more likely to be the perpetrators. That's not that difficult to work out.

 

Like I said, I'm apprehensive about the idea but it's not my argument to have.

People - Mr Corbyn, it is become increasingly clear that although you yourself are very much anti-racist, you seem to enjoy the company of many unsavory characters, including terrorists, Holocaust deniers, and other nasties, and we have become increasingly irritated by your "whattaboutery" every time the subject is raised. We will ask you one more time, and this time we demand a straight answer - will you uncategorically denounce the views of those people whom you claim to be your 'friends'.

 

Jezza - Umm...let's have women-only trains!

 

Half the people - yay, that's a great idea! Now women won't be harassed on their way to work!

 

Another half of people - boo, this is an awful idea. Segregation is wrong, and women shouldn't have to be made to feel victimised.

 

*Back and forth for the whole day, until*

 

Lone person - hey wait a minute Corbyn, are you trying to distract us from your unsavory connections by bringing up an emotive issue that invites big opinions from everyone regardless of what side of the debate you're on, generating more heat than light? I won't fall for that. Now will you tell us why you won't denounce your so called friends in...

 

The people - shut it you. We're all talking about a serious issue here.

 

Corbyn - he he he.

hmmm could be right, in which case he's not merely an idiot, he's devious and unscrupulous while claiming to have strong principled convictions and be open to answer questions plainly.

 

So just like all the others after all :P

 

He's not the Messiah he's a very naughty boy!

Tonight - Corbyn in hot water for allegedly calling the death of Osama Bin Laden a "tragedy" on Press TV.

 

Tomorrow - Corbyn will attempt to create a distraction by calling for the Bible to be banned in hotel rooms, or some other big and divisive gesture to throw people off the scent.

Oh let's be real, you could have video evidence of him noncing it up in Dolphin Square released tomorrow and you'd still find ten-a-penny cultists insist it's an establishment smear.

 

The shark-jumping point came when the reaction to the Newsnight focus groups wasn't 'well yeah, we always knew he might not be electable but that wasn't the point', but rather 'OMG IT'S A BBC CONSPIRACY!!!1!1!!!'. I'm looking forward to two years of being a member of the political arm of Ickeism.

This Bin Laden fiasco shows exactly why I don't think Corbyn should be leader.

 

I agree that ideally the guy should have been arrested and stood trial. But the way he worded his response is either naive or deliberately provocative. Neither is good.

Oh please, it's hardly controversial to say that Bin Laden should've been put on trial instead of killed on the spot. Much more worthy of criticism is when he seemed to suggest his death was faked (one of the worst things about the ultra-left is when they try to make everything into a conspiracy theory cooked up by the US).

 

Oh let's be real, you could have video evidence of him noncing it up in Dolphin Square released tomorrow and you'd still find ten-a-penny cultists insist it's an establishment smear.

 

The shark-jumping point came when the reaction to the Newsnight focus groups wasn't 'well yeah, we always knew he might not be electable but that wasn't the point', but rather 'OMG IT'S A BBC CONSPIRACY!!!1!1!!!'. I'm looking forward to two years of being a member of the political arm of Ickeism.

 

So the focus group's view on Corbyn should be taken as gospel, but not their view on Kendall? :P

Oh please, it's hardly controversial to say that Bin Laden should've been put on trial instead of killed on the spot. Much more worthy of criticism is when he seemed to suggest his death was faked (one of the worst things about the ultra-left is when they try to make everything into a conspiracy theory cooked up by the US).

 

I'm quite sure the controversial thing wasn't just that he said that the death of Bin Laden was a "tragedy", but that he followed it up by saying that 9/11 was similarly a tragedy, offering moral equivalence between the two. This is what some people more used to using coarser language than me would call a "dick move".

I repeat my earlier criticisms of the man. 9/11 wasn't a tragedy, it was a cold-blooded mass murder attack on the west which has repercussions still being felt as scores of people continue to die early deaths from lung cancer and the like. Yes Bin Laden should have stood trial, but at the end of the day he was guilty, he admitted he was guilty, there was proof he was guilty, and he would have received the death penalty but in a process that would have made him a martyr for the extremist cause and been a huge problem for western-friendly Arab nations.

 

Lest ol' Corbyn forgets, it was an unprovoked mass murder and had they flown 3 airliners right into the heart of his own constituency I daresay he wouldn't now be in a position to make comments like that - not if he wanted his voters to back him at general elections. Bin Laden got what he deserved, a quick, ignoble, media-free "good riddance" and dumping at sea.

 

Iraq is another issue entirely, and the two should not be confused. Corbyn seems confused about most things. I look forward to the prospect, in these anti-ageist days, of 70-odd-year-old lefties leading the party into a general election and run in power that will leave him pushing 80 when he's up for the next general election to retain power.

 

Like to see him spend a few years doing a proper, less-taxing, part-time job into his late 70's myself (like the rest of us). Unless, of course, running the country is a piece of piss and anyone can do it.

Oh please, it's hardly controversial to say that Bin Laden should've been put on trial instead of killed on the spot.

Read what I said again.

Oh please, it's hardly controversial to say that Bin Laden should've been put on trial instead of killed on the spot. Much more worthy of criticism is when he seemed to suggest his death was faked (one of the worst things about the ultra-left is when they try to make everything into a conspiracy theory cooked up by the US).

 

Of course it's not controversial to say he should've been put on trial instead of killed on the spot - Paddy Ashdown has said as much. It's fairly controversial (to say the least) to describe it as a tragedy.

 

So the focus group's view on Corbyn should be taken as gospel, but not their view on Kendall? :P

Where did I say that? :P

This is pretty much how it's going to be for the next 2 years isn't it?

 

Some random soundbite or public quote dug up from around 7 years ago in which Jeremy Corbyn demonstrates a view that is either anti-Semitic, hypocritical or dangerous. All the while ignoring the REAL issues that are facing the world right now like climate change economic collapse of China and another worldwide recession and the biggest migration of people since World War II.

 

I still hope by some weird miracle Cooper is able to clinch it at the last minute. PLEASE.