June 13, 20169 yr It wasn't an amazing episode, but not a let down either. I loved the Jaime-Brienne scenes, I still ship them. I also liked Arya's scenes, however flawed, and both Cleganes' scenes. I hope next episode isn't entirely a battle, as the trailer suggested :(
June 13, 20169 yr I thought this was an improvement on the last couple, although I agree that Arya's resoluton was less interesting than it could have been and her arrogance in the last episode was simple stupidity. I'd also like to have seen more Blackfish but I thought the whole Riverrun subplot was ended appropriately and allowed Jaime to come into his own again. With some nice probable foreshadowing about 'burning cities to ash' combining nicely with what Qyburn's most likely learned for Cersei Thoroughly enjoyed The Mountain and I can't help siding with Cersei I'd given up on Cleganebowl last week due to how things panned out there and with what Beric and Thoros said this week, on the one hand I'm thinking Lady Stoneheart has been combined with Beric for streamlining purposes, but on the other hand there was a LOT of talk about Catelyn this week. So she may show up and Brienne may yet bump into her. It doesn't look like she'll reach Winterfell before Snowbowl 2016, judging by the preview And a final thought, we all expect Rickon dies next week but if Davos doesn't kill Melisandre in the meantime might she bring him back too? Nothing I've seen or heard suggest a yes but you never really know
June 13, 20169 yr Whilst I agree it was a poor episode for the show's standard, I interpreted much of what happened a bit different. Arya's arc especially, it had its flaws, most of which I agree with, but I do believe in that theory that she was battling herself. It wasn't explicitly explained, but it didn't need to be. "A girl is finally no one", he said thinking Faceless Arya defeated Arya Stark. Only to be told that it was Faceless Arya that got defeated. Arya now knows who she really is and who she needs to be, she's staying true to herself. And this somehow pleases the Many Face God. Very clever stuff, and very character defining. Could it have been done better? Obviously. Interesting, I hadn't really thought of that way, I was too caught up in all my Ja'qen theories that seemed to make more sense. Still not the most satisfying payoff for so much time. With the BWB I don't think we've seen everything that's coming from them. They're not going to be only a vehicle for The Hound's arc, they had the nomad community for that. Jamie made sure we remembered well who Catelyn Stark was during his chat with Edmure, and just how fierce she really was, as did Blackfish when he compared Sansa to her mother. If that wasn't hinting at her return as Lady Stoneheart then I'll really lose faith in these storylines outside of the book canon. I read an interesting theory about Blackfish though. He was killed off, he might've been thrown in the river. In the books, who's found in the river after her death brought back to life by Beric Dondarrion? Who's to say they won't give that storyline to a different character? I'm all up for Lord Stoneheart/Stonefish/Blackheart if we can't have Catelyn back. But that's just a theory, can't quite see it happening. That was what I was hoping too with those references so to see it not come up in this episode after those wasn't great, there's far too much 'saving things for future episodes'. They could be saving it for the finale, but with everything appearing fine in the BWB camp with Thoros and Beric, against the indication that they had a new leader after these guys slaughtered the Hound's friends, it means LSH can't be out there already and Catelyn's body would be very decayed now so Beric would find it difficult to give his life for her. So I'm doubtful that it'll come together convincingly at the moment. I like the Blackfish theory on principle and how it would make sense given his recent death but it would lack the motivations that drive Lady Stoneheart and wouldn't be as meaningful sadly. The whole Mereen thing though, what a waste. And what a cheesy return by Daenerys Stormborn of House Targaryen, The Unburnt, Queen of the Andals, the Rhoynar, and of the First Men, Queen of Meereen, Khaleesi of the Great Grass Sea, Breaker of Chains, Mother of Dragons and Master of Stalling. :angry: Aye. As much as I love Missandei and Tyrion that joke scene dragged on for far too long and it wasn't the first extended smalltalk scene we've had with those three this season either. And Dany's return felt a bit off somehow.
June 13, 20169 yr I want Catelyn Stark back soO much but i've read that this ep baso proves that Lady Stoneheart is not happening. i had to google a few things from this episode that i had totally forgotten about and one was Beric Dondarion--- in the books he died ages before where we are at now in order to make lady stoneheart happen. and yet there he is today chilling with the hound. welp.
June 13, 20169 yr For me, Catelyn Stark is returning. Far too many hints. There was the whole Catelyn mention with Jamie, and then there were several hints that Thoros could bring people back to life. Someone is coming back to life.
June 14, 20169 yr If anybody reading still doesn't know what LSH is then consider yourself warned of possible spoilers The problem with the LSH theory stems from the books. In order for her to exist, Beric has to sacrifice himself, but the show just presented him alive and well and still leading the BWB as protectors of the people. Meaning that right now LSH doesn't exist. Even if her body was found it would be so far decomposed after all this time passed that you have to question why Beric would willingly exchange his life for what would essentially be a rotten corpse. In the books LSH is a peripheral figure only occasionally mentioned or featured and you have to question her role in the larger narrative. Now that the show is going full throttle plot wise, and with potentially only 15 episode left to air, what purpose would it serve to introduce yet another sub-plot unless it is vital somehow. There are better sub-plots in the books they've dropped (Dorian's long game, Aegon Targaryen) in favour of streamlining the story. It seems to me more and more like a lot of teasing but with the show diverting from the books just enough that they could have LSH and Beric together or she's is brought back somehow by accident instead of him, and for that I'm not totally righting it off yet.
June 14, 20169 yr If anybody reading still doesn't know what LSH is then consider yourself warned of possible spoilers The problem with the LSH theory stems from the books. In order for her to exist, Beric has to sacrifice himself, but the show just presented him alive and well and still leading the BWB as protectors of the people. Meaning that right now LSH doesn't exist. Even if her body was found it would be so far decomposed after all this time passed that you have to question why Beric would willingly exchange his life for what would essentially be a rotten corpse. In the books LSH is a peripheral figure only occasionally mentioned or featured and you have to question her role in the larger narrative. Now that the show is going full throttle plot wise, and with potentially only 15 episode left to air, what purpose would it serve to introduce yet another sub-plot unless it is vital somehow. There are better sub-plots in the books they've dropped (Dorian's long game, Aegon Targaryen) in favour of streamlining the story. It seems to me more and more like a lot of teasing but with the show diverting from the books just enough that they could have LSH and Beric together or she's is brought back somehow by accident instead of him, and for that I'm not totally righting it off yet. There's way, way too many important characters in the same location, that has been non existent since Season 3 for something not to happen. These characters were put here for a reason. I would put money on something happening in episode 10.
June 14, 20169 yr I do thing we'll see something regarding Catelyn in episode 10. There's far too many things hinting at it on the show and there was that rumour that Michelle Fairley was seen in N Ireland when the shooting was taking place. It seems to be they might want to leave it open as a cliffhanger for the Lady Stoneheart to develop during Season 7 where she'll slay all Freys, some Lannisters and reunite with Jon, Sansa and Arya. With the High Sparrow saga potentially concluding this season (and maybe the Bolton saga too?) we'll be needing something juicy for next season apart from Dany stalling in Essos and Littlefinger stirring the pot.
June 14, 20169 yr The only thing which suggests LSH won't appear is the fact it's been so long since the Red Wedding. Physically, how would it work?
June 15, 20169 yr Physically, how would it work? Like this: http://i4.getreading.co.uk/incoming/article9378579.ece/ALTERNATES/s615/508_promo_stills_600158499.jpg Only the R'hollor Lord of Light and Fire version of it. Edited June 20, 20169 yr by Vülker
June 15, 20169 yr She couldn't possibly resemble a White Walker without intervention. Even in show terms Catelyn died 3 years ago. A unembalmed body will decompose to liquid in about a month. Quicker if exposed to the elements/water. At this point in the show's timeline she is nothing but bones. In order for her to even resemble Catelyn she would have to have been discovered within 2 weeks. However plot armour throws science out of the window (see Arya Stark for proof), so I'm still not ruling it out! And if she does turn up she'd better have Nymeria with her. I'm hoping those wolf pack rumours are true. Also, why do White Walkers wear armour? They're dead, don't feel the cold and clearly didn't expect anyone to be carrying Dragonglass or Valyrian steel swords 'til recently. Do they just sit around doing leathercrafting on their days off? Edited June 15, 20169 yr by Severin
June 20, 20169 yr Found the first Daenerys scene a bit off (too much CGI and nothing we haven't seen her do before) but really enjoyed the scene with her and the Greyjoys. There were so many jaw-dropping shots in the Winterfell battle sequence, I think this was probably the most visually stunning episode so far. The Knights of the Vale riding in was a bit predictable, but I'm willing to let it slide as Sansa's reasons for keeping their intervention a secret were fairly understandable. Interested to see where the King's Landing plot goes next week. Not expecting Cersei to blow up the city just yet, especially with Jaime still in the Riverlands, but I can't think of what else could go down which would be climactic enough for the season finale. Tommen dying?
June 20, 20169 yr A reddit user who shall remain nameless and who has a reputation for remarkably accurate predictions has stated that 10 significant named characters would die this season. 3 of which are gone - Ser Alliser Thorne, Roose Bolton and Olly. This leaves 7 to die n what looks to be a major bloodbath. Don't read the following unless you really want to know as it could be a massive spoiler. They are said to be Rickon Stark, Smalljon Umber, Tommen Baratheon, Loras Tyrell, Margaery Tyrell, Mace Tyrell and Wun Wun. This is looking pretty legit. You'd have thought Balon Greyjoy would have been worth a mention though.
June 20, 20169 yr As awesome and brilliant as we all hoped. My only quibble Where the f*** was Ghost? He's clearly the most disinterested Direwolf of the lot
June 20, 20169 yr Amazing episode. So glad Ramsy got it However, I get what they're doing with it but would you REALLY be in any kind of smirking mood on the same day your little brother had been shot to death?
June 20, 20169 yr Amazing episode. So glad Ramsy got it However, I get what they're doing with it but would you REALLY be in any kind of smirking mood on the same day your little brother had been shot to death? Sansa had accepted Rickon was dead the moment she knew Ramsey had him. She says as much before the battle. There's a calculating coldness about her and has been for a while now. Edited June 20, 20169 yr by Severin
June 20, 20169 yr This is looking pretty legit. You'd have thought Balon Greyjoy would have been worth a mention though. Yeah, although it might be because Balon's death is in the books that it wasn't mentioned. The poster mentioned he didn't want to spoil everything so that may explain Ramsey's lack of mention, or maybe it's not wholly informed As for your 'what could happen next week?' I notice there's a white raven in the trailer Edited June 20, 20169 yr by Severin
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