Buzzjack highlights spelling mistakes as I type them, although it can't catch incorrectly spelled once used in the wrong place.

It's not about us trying to bully 27 members, but vice versa - that's one of the main reasons I voted Leave. As for 'getting clearer' - for me it is ever more apparent that we were right to vote out when we did.

 

I regard the EU as unsustainable anyway - IMO the countries of Europe are too diverse to work together long-term - so I'd rather be outside than in when it goes belly-up.

 

As for the last part, you are being disingenuous again - no-one claimed that a post-Brexit UK would be a guaranteed utopia, only that it would be under our own control, rather than subject to the whims of 27 other countries.

 

You are doing to the EU what you claim Remainers are saying about Brexit. The pound has plummeted against the Euro again today. Most of the world seem to disagree with your unfounded belief.

 

yes they did claim that. You are rewriting history again. They said it would be piss easy, that we could stay in the single market, and that the EU would cave in to all our demands because they were frightened of losing business.

 

This is all a matter of public record. At no stage did any Leave campaigners say it would be difficult or have negative consequences. YOU are being disingenuous. Feel free to post examples of prominent Leavers saying what you have just claimed. There are literally hundreds of examples of the reverse.....

This is all a matter of public record. At no stage did any Leave campaigners say it would be difficult or have negative consequences.

 

Why would they - that was Remain's job.

 

All the Remainers here keep telling me that they believe leaving the EU was a mistake (that's the toned down version), and that the result wasn't fairly obtained.

 

I have no problem with that being your opinion, but constantly repeating it won't change my mind, so why do it?

Edited October 13, 20177 yr by vidcapper

Why would they - that was Remain's job.

 

All the Remainers here keep telling me that they believe leaving the EU was a mistake (that's the toned down version), and that the result wasn't fairly obtained.

 

I have no problem with that being your opinion, but constantly repeating it won't change my mind, so why do it?

 

so you again contradicting yourself almost immediately. One second you say they never said it would be easy (they did) so you change tack and say it wasn't their job to tell the truth (yes it was - Remain both sold the good points of being in the EU and the bad points of being out of it, leave did nothing of the sort, they were utterly dishonest and continue to be).

 

It's become fairly obvious that your opinion shifts according to the thought of the day - at least mine is consistent throughout. I'm not attmepting to make you change your mind (that is obviously a waste of my time) I'm just not letting you get away with bullshitting as an ongoing series of statements. The only way to deal with it is to explain calmly and rationally why you are wrong.

 

Don't want to hear the same arguments? Stop repeating the same old claptrap, then immediately alter your position when you get caught out. Again. And again. God knows I could spend my time doing something more interesting....

so you again contradicting yourself almost immediately. One second you say they never said it would be easy (they did) so you change tack and say it wasn't their job to tell the truth (yes it was - Remain both sold the good points of being in the EU and the bad points of being out of it, leave did nothing of the sort, they were utterly dishonest and continue to be).

 

It's become fairly obvious that your opinion shifts according to the thought of the day - at least mine is consistent throughout. I'm not attmepting to make you change your mind (that is obviously a waste of my time) I'm just not letting you get away with bullshitting as an ongoing series of statements. The only way to deal with it is to explain calmly and rationally why you are wrong.

 

Don't want to hear the same arguments? Stop repeating the same old claptrap, then immediately alter your position when you get caught out. Again. And again. God knows I could spend my time doing something more interesting....

 

My position is very consistent - I will always call you & your fellow Remainers out who refuse to recognise that my reasons for voting Brexit are as valid to me, as yours for voting Remain are for you. (*)

 

(*) Part of the problem being that you *think* you know my reasons, but you really don't - you just *assume* they are the worst ones, and won't give me the time of day when I try to explain what thy really are.

But it already *is* under our control :lol:

 

Don't be a facetious idiot as well as an idiot - I meant your position eas unintelligible, not the droll comment about my typos :)

 

Your position is repetitive and you make us tepeat he same things ooover and ooover and oover.

Your position is repetitive and you make us tepeat he same things ooover and ooover and oover.

 

The only reason I keep repeating myself, is because you won't accept that the reasons I've given for voting Leave are valid *to me* (*), and that your disapproval does not invalidate them.

 

(*) After all, I accept that your reasons for voting Remain were valid to you, so why can't you reciprocate? :unsure:

Edited October 13, 20177 yr by vidcapper

The only reason I keep repeating myself, is because you won't accept that the reasons I've given for voting Leave are valid *to me* (*), and that your disapproval does not invalidate them.

 

(*) After all, I accept that your reasons for voting Remain were valid to you, so why can't you reciprocate? :unsure:

 

 

there is a major difference between:

 

"I don't care what anybody thinks I have the right to believe my views are valid, regardless of any evidence or opinion to the contrary"

 

which is true and requires no response, and no-one will argue with you.

 

What you tend to do is make shoulder-shrugging statements like "No-one ever said Brexit would be easy", which is factually incorrect.

 

You are perfectly entitled to your opinion on anything - just try not to make claims that easily can be argued against and no-one will. Everyone is happy! Ish....

 

 

Probably because our reasons for voting remain have rational, logical and sane thought behind them. Yours are utter horseshit

 

 

As a guardian columnist said this week, the Brexit vote is a curious one. The only vote of our life time where the losing side is expected to just abandon all their views and rally round the winning side. f*** no. That’s not how democracy works. Just like I refuse to support a Tory government, I refuse to support this Brexit nonsense. Such a load of shit. Similar thing happened in Scotland post-2014 as well and we know how that’s turned out. Unionists have turned ScotPol into a toxic waste dump where the only thing that matters is support of the union and no actual policies are required. It’s f***ed up and funnily enough lead by the Tory scum and their pals at the Mail

The majority of the people that voted Remain ARE getting behind the country and supporting the democratic vote. The Remoaners are the minority in the Remain voters, but they sure make a lot of noise.

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That's funny. Reports say if the vote wrre held today Remain would win comfortably sooo

What you tend to do is make shoulder-shrugging statements like "No-one ever said Brexit would be easy", which is factually incorrect.

 

You are perfectly entitled to your opinion on anything - just try not to make claims that easily can be argued against and no-one will. Everyone is happy! Ish....

 

There's a difference between 'Brexit will be easy to vote for' and 'Brexit will be easy to achieve'. I wonder if you are confusing the former with the latter?

 

 

Probably because our reasons for voting remain have rational, logical and sane thought behind them. Yours are utter horseshit

 

Thank you for that 'rational, logical & sane' comment... :rolleyes:

 

As a guardian columnist said this week, the Brexit vote is a curious one. The only vote of our life time where the losing side is expected to just abandon all their views and rally round the winning side. f*** no. That’s not how democracy works. Just like I refuse to support a Tory government, I refuse to support this Brexit nonsense.

Nobody expects Remainers to *embrace* Brexit, just that they come to terms with the result - as about half of them apparently have.

 

The majority of the people that voted Remain ARE getting behind the country and supporting the democratic vote. The Remoaners are the minority in the Remain voters, but they sure make a lot of noise.

 

To them, decibels are worth more than votes. One of the bizarre aspects is that that'd have accepted 50% plus 1 as a mandate to stay in and expect Leavers to 'STFU', yet dismiss a Leave winning margin of 1.28 million as 'too small to change the status quo...

 

That's funny. Reports say if the vote wrre held today Remain would win comfortably sooo

 

Polls before 23/6/16 said the same thing... :rolleyes:

Edited October 14, 20177 yr by vidcapper

Three reasons remainers should stop calling for a second referendum on Brexit

 

An article by Denis MacShane from your beloved 'Grauniad'

 

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2...ferendum-brexit

 

************

 

OK, the gist of it is merely that it should not be a hasty decision, but it's still surprising this article hasn't been mentioned here before (AFAIK)?

 

I think that author is placing too much stall on his idea of 'Brexit audits' though, as it makes certain assumptions as to why Brexiters voted the way they did.

This surprised me :

 

https://whatukthinks.org/eu/questions/if-a-...would-you-vote/

Have the EU negotiations been set up to fail?

 

I don't know how you feel about articles from The Independent, but here you go...

 

http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/brexit...w-a7998896.html

There's a difference between 'Brexit will be easy to vote for' and 'Brexit will be easy to achieve'. I wonder if you are confusing the former with the latter?

Thank you for that 'rational, logical & sane' comment... :rolleyes:

 

Nobody expects Remainers to *embrace* Brexit, just that they come to terms with the result - as about half of them apparently have.

To them, decibels are worth more than votes. One of the bizarre aspects is that that'd have accepted 50% plus 1 as a mandate to stay in and expect Leavers to 'STFU', yet dismiss a Leave winning margin of 1.28 million as 'too small to change the status quo...

Polls before 23/6/16 said the same thing... :rolleyes:

 

It's pointless arguing with you (which is what you are trying to Trumpishly achieve, so your outright lies remain unchallenged). Your top quote is just made up and bears no relation to what I have already proven (and you immediately gave up trying to challenge).

 

Your views are on the whole "horseshit" because you can't back them up without reverting to "well we won nananananan so there" or "I hate the EU no matter what". Essentially that's been your argument for 18 months, and damn the consequences.

 

I suggest we all just repeat either of those two points to any point you keep trying to make, because they are the same points ad infinitum.

 

In a democracy everyone is entitled to an opinion. That doesn't mean (In answer to Peacemob and jewels like the Tory Brexit twats) that sane discussion suddenly stops and allows the party in power to what it wants, and that everyone who points out their hopeless failings is a traitor.

 

Brexit for Britain. British Democracy. So far we've had "Enemies Of The People" for our legal system and a general election to give the Tories more power (which was soundly rejected democratically by the British people).

 

Hypocrites. Say they want one thing then moan when they get it, and still blame the EU.

 

Sounds eternally familiar.

It's pointless arguing with you (which is what you are trying to Trumpishly achieve, so your outright lies remain unchallenged). Your top quote is just made up and bears no relation to what I have already proven (and you immediately gave up trying to challenge).

 

Your views are on the whole "horseshit" because you can't back them up without reverting to "well we won nananananan so there" or "I hate the EU no matter what".

 

I only do the above *because* you reject every single reason I post, due to blatant anti-Daily Mail prejudice...

 

Leavers would never have shut up.

 

And that's ok.

 

And yes, anythig less than 60% is for the status quo. There could be repeat referendums, but with thr younger populations getting more and more voting power, well, they would not have one in Leave's favourm

 

51% or 37% is a paltry figure to overturn the status quo and leap into the dark. It is not won and we will not be quiet.

Leavers would never have shut up.

 

And that's ok.

 

You are right that we wouldn't have ended our opposition to the EU, but I would not have dismissed the result as illegitimate simply because of the way the campaign was fought - the issue is far bigger than that.

 

 

And yes, anythig less than 60% is for the status quo. There could be repeat referendums, but with thr younger populations getting more and more voting power

Have you heard of the word 'gerrymandering'?

 

 

51% or 37% is a paltry figure to overturn the status quo and leap into the dark. It is not won and we will not be quiet.

 

Only half of that last sentence is correct.

 

I only do the above *because* you reject every single reason I post, due to blatant anti-Daily Mail prejudice...

 

I hate the EU no matter what.