Define successful.

 

I have done so, elsewhere.

 

Perhaps a more interesting question though, might be 'How would Remainers define a failure of Brexit?'

 

I feel it's important to define, otherwise it could mean whatever you wanted it to mean.

For me, it is already a failure.

 

Failure is more visas, inability to work or live elsewhere, longer airport queues, food poverty, a collapsed wage growth, weak poundx int. laughin stock.

For me, it is already a failure.

 

Failure is more visas, inability to work or live elsewhere, longer airport queues, food poverty, a collapsed wage growth, weak poundx int. laughin stock.

 

Ignoring the fact the Brexit hasn't *happened* yet! :rolleyes:

 

Brexit will *not* stop people living/working elsewhere - it just won't be as easy.

 

Food poverty??

 

Wages have collapsed partly because of our EU membership!

Yeah, that last comment i completely wrong, look at other EU states on the chart posted a couple pages ago.........

 

Food poverty = imports too high, fewer migrant workers for the fields and less access to EU fields. Please look at the EXPERT!!! reports discussing the HIGHLY LIKELY probability of food poverty following Brexit.

 

Yes. It hasn't yet and already causing misery.

Ignoring the fact the Brexit hasn't *happened* yet! :rolleyes:

 

Brexit will *not* stop people living/working elsewhere - it just won't be as easy.

 

Food poverty??

 

Wages have collapsed partly because of our EU membership!

 

Yes, why should we have hard-working foreigners (including non-EU in equal numbers as EU workers) taking up menial jobs on crap money that British people on benefits should be forced to take instead.

 

I think you'll find the government doesn't intend to stop foreigners coming in for SKILLED jobs - in other words, the best jobs which they seem to think we are too stupid to do. Or perhaps they just can't be arsed to train anyone.

 

Just a thought.....

 

PS if it was the EU causing wages to decline then that would be happening in all other EU countries too.

Ignoring the fact the Brexit hasn't *happened* yet! :rolleyes:

 

Brexit will *not* stop people living/working elsewhere - it just won't be as easy.

 

Food poverty??

 

Wages have collapsed partly because of our EU membership!

You're just spouting the sort of nonsense Johnson spouted in his unauthorised Telegraph article in September. He pointed to France and Germany as countries that were doing better than the EU-constrained UK. Somehow, the Foreign Secretary seems to have overlooked the fact that France and Germany are in the EU as well.

Yes. It hasn't yet and already causing misery.

 

Hyperbole again - who has it really caused to be miserable - I mean in terms of genuine hardship, rather than simply upset at the decision to Leave?

 

 

Yes, why should we have hard-working foreigners (including non-EU in equal numbers as EU workers) taking up menial jobs on crap money that British people on benefits should be forced to take instead.

 

I think you'll find the government doesn't intend to stop foreigners coming in for SKILLED jobs - in other words, the best jobs which they seem to think we are too stupid to do. Or perhaps they just can't be arsed to train anyone.

 

Just a thought.....

 

PS if it was the EU causing wages to decline then that would be happening in all other EU countries too.

 

iro the last part, its all about relative cost of living - so the low wages paid for picking fruit etc, go a lot further in Eastern Europe than they do here. That's why Brits are reluctant to take such jobs, not laziness.

 

 

You're just spouting the sort of nonsense Johnson spouted in his unauthorised Telegraph article in September.

 

I don't read the Torygraph.

Hyperbole again - who has it really caused to be miserable - I mean in terms of genuine hardship, rather than simply upset at the decision to Leave?

iro the last part, its all about relative cost of living - so the low wages paid for picking fruit etc, go a lot further in Eastern Europe than they do here. That's why Brits are reluctant to take such jobs, not laziness.

I don't read the Torygraph.

The cost of living is much higher in some countries. Your argument is invalid. Some parts of the uk are higher than others it varies.

 

Look forward to everyone currently on benefits being forced to take minimum wage jobs that will remain unfilled post brexit. Dont think tories arent targeting them, they are quite happy to remove benefits from people who genuinely have serious medical problems. You need to realise that tories see people on benefits as scroungers. I never said they were lazy, you assumed that, based on the fact that eu low paid staff actually ARE hard workers, which is why employers love them. Employers make these choices, where they actually have a choice.

Hyperbole again - who has it really caused to be miserable - I mean in terms of genuine hardship, rather than simply upset at the decision to Leave?

iro the last part, its all about relative cost of living - so the low wages paid for picking fruit etc, go a lot further in Eastern Europe than they do here. That's why Brits are reluctant to take such jobs, not laziness.

I don't read the Torygraph.

Johnson's article was widely reported elsewhere.

Johnson's article was widely reported elsewhere.

 

Maybe, but that doesn't mean I was quoting him.

Gordon Brown interview on Newsnight tonight, in which he predicts that EU talks will reach a crisis point in summer 2018: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-41899727

 

He predicted it would become clear by next summer that the UK was not going to get "proper control" of its borders, trade and laws, saying: "We will still be governed in many ways by the European Court of Justice."

And he said the UK would not get its money back in the way the Leave campaign had claimed, "including the £350m a week for the National Health Service".

"I would not try to tell people that they were wrong," he said, stressing people had voted Leave for "very real reasons" that had to be "respected".

But, he said, there "may be scope for a reassessment" next summer.

One point that doesn't seem to have come up, is that once we are out, any post Brexit agreements we make with the EU will be easier to step away from, since we won't need the approval of 27 others to do so.

one hint that it is going to be an economic disaster is that the Brexiteers in the governtment are going to make it law that we leave March 2019 regardless of what it does to the country or without any flexibility to wait until it's more sensible.

 

Total panic and a Hard Brexit is now going to happen. The worst-case scenario has just become most-likely scenario.

 

Morons.

Mayhem has put her name to an article in the Telegraph (I think we can assume flunkies in Downing Street and Tory Central Office wrote it) saying she will not tolerate any attempt to block this process. She seems to have missed the fact that MPs have a duty to uphold the county's interests, not just do the PM's bidding. Whether enough Tories have the spine to stand up to her is another matter.

one hint that it is going to be an economic disaster is that the Brexiteers in the governtment are going to make it law that we leave March 2019 regardless of what it does to the country or without any flexibility to wait until it's more sensible.

 

Have you any evidence to back up that claim, or is it simply your opinion?

 

{Not about the 'making a law' part - the rest of it]

 

Mayhem has put her name to an article in the Telegraph (I think we can assume flunkies in Downing Street and Tory Central Office wrote it) saying she will not tolerate any attempt to block this process. She seems to have missed the fact that MPs have a duty to uphold the county's interests, not just do the PM's bidding. Whether enough Tories have the spine to stand up to her is another matter.

 

Tories always have the referendum result hanging over their heads like the Sword Of Damocles though.

Edited November 10, 20177 yr by vidcapper

What you mean 51% or 37% of the electorate, well short of 63%, and only 2 nations of 4 and Gibraltar not voting for it?

What you mean 51% or 37% of the electorate, well short of 63%, and only 2 nations of 4 and Gibraltar not voting for it?

 

Why do you keep on with this, when you know it is irrelevant?

It is REALLY pertinent.

Have you any evidence to back up that claim, or is it simply your opinion?

 

{Not about the 'making a law' part - the rest of it]

err just over a year to find out the damage forthcoming or not? less than a month to find out whether there is a hard brexit or not?

 

These are fixed points of discussion and the EU would rather have no deal than a bad deal (because it would be suicide for the EU to do otherwise), so things are looking pretty grim.

 

Do I have any evidence? hard to have evidence on something that hasn't been agreed (or not agreed). Tick tock tick tock....