That's even more unfair imo

The whole point of this contest is to share music you love and the anniversary gives you a chance to send a track you truly love by an artist you worship. It will get its own framework to tighten it up but the aim will be to give people a chance to show off their faves in a new light.

 

My 50th was a William Orbit track that featured Sugababes and was unknown to all outside the most hardcore of Sugababes fans. That's the perfect type of song that should be sent as an anniversary entry. It means a lot to me and it's still a discovery to even Sugababes fans.

 

And this isn't creating two classes of contestants as its open to everyone and the milestones get further apart as you go up. So it's 50, 100 then 250. If someone is here for 5 years or a decade then we should do something to mark that commitment. Even if it is small like this is.

I'd be wholly against AQs for anyone other than the winner as a reward for winning. We only give it to the runner up because I'm allergic to uneven semi finals.

I think the best scenario is to just introduce some black flags for anniversary entries as Phil mentioned previously but I don't think it has to be massively drastic as no-one has gone beyond the boundaries so far so it seems like we are all able to self-limit ourselves. I think if someone tried to enter something massively cheap, for example Liam entering Taylor Swift's All You Had To Do Was Stay (allowed in the current rules as Liam is a well known Taylor fan and that song isn't a single) - people would outrage and probably avoid voting for the song out of principle. But it'll be good to have a few black flags to limit even that happening.

 

Not saying you would do such a thing Liam (as proven by what your entry was!) but I was trying to think of who Taylor's biggest fan is to make the example :heehee:

I know there's nothing to the bloc voting accusations and I'm not going to go into any more detail than that because I'm honestly so sick of it all. I knew you'd be defensive and fairly stubborn over any criticism of the new rule Silas but I never brought up my feelings on it now as it's a month from when they were implicated, I only did it for this thread, isn't that the whole purpose of it? By all means keep it in place for a few more months, I just think you should take what we're saying into account rather than dismissing it because "we're creatures of habit" and don't like change. I don't think I'll feel any differently about it later down the line though, although I do like the fact that people are now posting in their threads, I just wish we also had the previous options too.

If I'm gonna be honest I wholeheartedly prefer this new format, it encourages activity and makes the contest a whole lot more fun

I have no opinion one way or the other about anniversary entries but I won't be taking advantage of it at any point.

 

I sent Delta to my 50th contest but it was more of a nice coincidence than something deliberate. I shan't be doing anything out of the ordinary to mark my 100th or any other number.

 

The only thing I would change is whatever rule caused my veto for Belle & Sebastian's I Didn't See It Coming (was it something about having a recently charted album?). Perhaps each case here can be looked at individually as it's clear an act like this are one charting on a loyal 3,000 strong fanbase and nothing more. I don't imagine many, if any, BJSC participants had ever heard the song, particularly as it wasn't even taken from said charting album but a b-sides and rarities compilation :lol:

it's not like it's a black and white it has to be one or the other, there may be a happy medium none of us have thought of yet regarding plug vs thread potentials to summarise it???

 

i'm wary of course of putting potentials in my thread but i'm going to hold back from actually criticising it this month as I didn't do it (purely because i had a song i knew i wanted to send). i understand as leonardo said how things were getting out of hand with levels of prehype, but i don't think it should be completely banned to play a range of potentials on plug, at the end of the day too as a lot of u know i have a v long potential list lmfao and there are a lot of songs i played on plug which were technically on my potential list, but genuienly was just playing them bc i enjoy them. i think if we are to continue with this plug rule we have to be careful that like a song being played once on plug doesn't = veto/warnings/bans whatever and just try to prevent people obviously revealing what they have sent????

There's scant evidence of the BJSC user base actually being listened to, beyond the usual lip service, I don’t see how feeble insults do anything other than re-enforce that perception~ :zzz: :zzz: :zzz:

 

The whole point of this contest is to share music you love and the anniversary gives you a chance to send a track you truly love by an artist you worship. It will get its own framework to tighten it up but the aim will be to give people a chance to show off their faves in a new light.

 

My 50th was a William Orbit track that featured Sugababes and was unknown to all outside the most hardcore of Sugababes fans. That's the perfect type of song that should be sent as an anniversary entry. It means a lot to me and it's still a discovery to even Sugababes fans.

 

And this isn't creating two classes of contestants as its open to everyone and the milestones get further apart as you go up. So it's 50, 100 then 250. If someone is here for 5 years or a decade then we should do something to mark that commitment. Even if it is small like this is.

 

The opportunity to “send a track you truly love by an artist you worship” should be afforded to everyone on the anniversaries of the actual competition instead e.g. BJSC 100. Thus a celebration of the whole and maintains a “level playing field”, rather than focusing on the individual at the expense of the other competitors.

Edited August 7, 20168 yr by Ethan

i like the anniversary option but i do think we should have a 'WITHIN REASON' sort of thing (which tbf i thought we had anyways!!), like the old days of the framework where something would be booted if it was deemed too cheap (so someone like taylor swift would obviously get the boot). the only issue with that is no-one really trusts mod judgement fully let's be honest so we're trying to invent some sort of boundary to try and make it fair

Ah, so what we have here is a “consultation process” with both index fingers firmly inserted into each ear, with Naughty Boy blasting out in the background #LALALA~ :lol:

 

Anniversary entries completely undermine any semblance of a ‘level playing field’, their very existence means you might as well just hit Ctrl+A then Delete on the whole content of the framework. Why competitors on their 8th, 29th, or 87th contests should be put at disadvantage because someone else has reached an arbitrary level of participation isn’t apparently clear?! If, it hasn’t happened already, we’ll soon see members signing up for Buzzjack who were born AFTER the competition started. Why should young or new members be treated as second class citizens?! Cronyism for what Mr Beaver would call the ‘old boys’~

I agree with this, it’s a completely arbitrary and unnecessary cut-off point. There are numerous ways to boot Dolly Parton’s ‘Jolene’ far more cleanly, total career sales would be one obvious tack without bizarrely adding 12 points to scores of obscure artists and songs. Knee-jerk reactions are always the worst!

 

I actually prefer this idea of total sales rather than chart position. Also, I think an icon and an AQ are much better than anniversary entries tbh!

total sales would be hard to gauge tho especially with different sales climates and a lack of available information but i like the idea of other scoring methods for artists! something like 'charts points' for the artist would be a good idea

There's been no insults in this thread. Feeble or not :unsure:

I think the format of the anniversary entries is OK really, it's not unfair especially as none of the ones so far have exactly been runaway winners or even come close to winning I don't believe? Everyone will get their chance when they make their 50th contest. I may well make use of mine next year although I won't take the biscuit with it and send Girls Aloud or someone! :P

 

Correct me if I'm wrong but I think the plug thing is to mainly stop memes like Important crossing over to BJSC and immediately being a fave? That song is a total jam of course (and ignoring any other circumstances surrounding it), but it came in with a huge following already and that gave it an unfair advantage. I'm sure you can still play songs which are technically your potentials Lotti, as long as it's not like "look guys this is my potential, what do y'all think?". That's how I interpreted it anyway :heehee:

Ya Joseph that's how it is and tbh I did think we covered that scenario in the thread when we announced it but I could be misremembering coz the football turned out better than expected and it's distracting me

okay that's probably down to me misunderstanding, i think we are more on the same lines than i thought lmfaooo

 

at the end of the day too surely if we've put potentials in the thread we can still play thoseon plug too?

okay that's probably down to me misunderstanding, i think we are more on the same lines than i thought lmfaooo

 

at the end of the day too surely if we've put potentials in the thread we can still play thoseon plug too?

 

Within reason? Obviously by putting them in the thread then it'll be known you are considering those but if you're just doing it because you want to hear the song and are being fairly equal with all that you've put in your thread, instead of saying 'this is my *wink wink nudge nudge* potential' on any of them, and you're not doing it too often for any one song (to prevent an Important or whatever developing because like Joseph said, that's the goal of this thing).

Ya that's it. Like use your judgement as to what would be considered fair and reasonable. If semis open and people aren't surprised that you entered X because you've been whoring it on plug then that's not fair or reasonable. If people's reaction is "oh that's the one you've gone for" then that's fair and reasonable.

okay that seems fair!

 

(also i want 2 throw in support for maybe halving points etc for featured artists depending on how much impact they have on the song)

Yeah, the plug thing... asking people to stop playing a song they like as it happens to be a potential is just not normal, why can't I play what I want??

On the other hand, I totally agree with Leonardo, I hate the hype these songs get two minutes after semis start. Please. Stop. That. I'm sure I'm not alone with this. Don't comment for like an hour and then you can start the hype train - noone will be bitching then, no bloc-voting theories + everyone can play on plug anything they want (as this annoying hype is the only giveaway that an entry is already known by a handful of people).

Btw as much as I loathe Important winning, it's not plug's fault - if the 10 people associated with plug give it 18 points, that's still not even close to winning.The plug-memes (if that's a thing) do well because people vote for them - we can't really ban these just because people like them, can we? Could we ban tropical house too?? :lol:

 

On the featured artists: I'd be happy to cut the points in half, but only within reason. I hope anything featuring artists like Jason Derulo, Flo Rida, etc. will remain to be vetoes, even if they only scream for 3 seconds.

Edited August 7, 20168 yr by FrankLuck